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Hulkster To His Fans: "Please Forgive Me..."
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GKSilKamina
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I can't stay mad at Hogan given how big of an impact he had in my childhood, though I remain extremely disappointed in him. Especially now that, despite making apologies, he's still playing up the "I'm totally not racist" thing.
Gotta own up to that shit, brother. Maybe then you can finally move forward and try to salvage what's left of your career.
Gotta own up to that shit, brother. Maybe then you can finally move forward and try to salvage what's left of your career.
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I think it's nice that he's expressing remorse, I'll give him that.
I think it would have been a more sincere approach for Hulk - or in general in cases like this - to simply admit: "Yes, I'm a racist. But I'm trying hard to become a better person, be less judge-mental and overcome my own personal shortcomings in how I look at and value other people" or something like that.
You almost never hear someone simultaneously admitting to being a racist while apologizing for being racist.
I think it would have been a more sincere approach for Hulk - or in general in cases like this - to simply admit: "Yes, I'm a racist. But I'm trying hard to become a better person, be less judge-mental and overcome my own personal shortcomings in how I look at and value other people" or something like that.
You almost never hear someone simultaneously admitting to being a racist while apologizing for being racist.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Your inner child doesn't need this shit.
Feel free to take the dirty rattle away from him so he doesn't have to keep putting it in his mouth.
QueenOfThorns
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Hulk Hogan is a liar and a terrible human being. He always has been and he always will be. The only thing he regrets is the hit his reputation took.
Anyone who believes he's genuine is a fool.
Anyone who believes he's genuine is a fool.
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Hatred for an entire race of people, nullified by doing tax deductible work, God bless America.
These two examples say a lot about you on this issue that you may or may not realize.
Violence Jack
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I don't care about his apology. Celebrities fuck up and then say whatever they want in hopes that they'll be forgiven. I want Hogan to own up to his racist ways and actually do something to mend fences with the millions of fans he's pissed off.
Until he can do that, fuck him. Never liked him all that much after running WCW into the ground anyway.
Until he can do that, fuck him. Never liked him all that much after running WCW into the ground anyway.
evilromero
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I feel like in most other cases many of those going Old Testament and just giving a hard "no" would betray their bias in other situations. I think he hasn't harmed anyone, threatened to continue his behavior, willing to better himself. Isn't that the kind of environment we're trying to harbor? If someone makes a mistake, doesn't it seem more appropriate to foster an environment where we give them the latitude of bettering themselves instead of dogpiling on them? Because if that's the case, as we know, they just dig their heels in and defend since there's no other way out. Seems counter-intuitive to me.
Jackson, hip hop? Anything about Al Sharpton?
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Not that I should entertain this nonsense, but yup! I've mentioned before how I was a pretty horrible teen with issue of homophobia and race, thanks to my name being nigger here in Florida. This was over 25 years ago..not last week. I don't feel a need to talk shit about other races in private..I've got a fucking life that's not filled with hate.
Defend your boy..like I said before, it says a shit ton..especially when you need to stack what he did against an alleged black pedophile and hip-hop which just so happens to be predominantly black music. This idiot WHO HIMSELF SAID HE WAS RACIST talks as if he grew up in fucking Compton..it's a fucking joke. If he was sincere, he'd have kept all his "buts" to himself.
He's what, 60? He should know better. In fact, he does..he just chooses not to care because his daughter was guzzling BBC, so you know..that makes it ok. Fuck him, and those that defend his use of that fucking word because he's only human. I loved this fucking guy. He was a huge part of my childhood.
Am I grown ass man now. I'm not that same teen I was decades ago who spewed hatred..I don't need to forgive an old man that knows better.
Fuck that noise..
DontBeThatGuy
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It's baffling that this dude any defenders. He's always been a asshole, a liar, and now we all know how overtly racist he is, which further cements how much of a shitlord he truly is. (and this excuse filled "apology" doesn't change any of that). It's not a good look going to bat for this guy, not in the slightest.
lmao
"B-but hip hop!"
Fuck Hogan for being a racist piece of shit and fuck this pathetic attempt at defending him.
The difference is this dude is old. The fact that the wwe scrubbed him from history, suggests this isn't the first time he's done this, and they want to be as far from him as possible if other videos pop up. We are past coddling racists who have benefited from the power structure, especially in a shitty organization like the wwe.
loaf of bread
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What a terrible outlook to have. Yes lets condemn people for eternity even if they genuinely change and repent.
Not saying Hulk has actually changed himself but what a terrible outlook to have.
Someone forgot to put that canoli in the fridge and now it's stinking up the kitchen. He has "my gf cheated on me with a black guy" issues LOL.
What should he do? I'm curious. Whenever a celebrity really screws up, people often toss the apology back in their faces and tell them to do more. And many times they do... and they still don't get forgiven. What would put him back in your good graces (though probably "nothing" since you apparently never liked him long before this incident)?
Lol seriously. By the end it was too obvious.
Coolio McAwesome
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Hogan said racist things and even described himself as a racist, but I'm curious if there is any evidence of him ever treating someone unfairly because of their race. I've heard accusations of racism hurled at Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Vince McMahon and countless other figures in the wrestling industry. For all the enemies that Hogan's made, you don't hear too many backstage stories about the Hulkster acting like a racist piece of shit during his career.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Lol i know right.
depths20XX
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More like Hulksturd heheheh
Actually, I'm finding a ton of people nowadays open to admit the former and discuss it. Kind of interesting that they even put it out there, well aware they are able to take the knock.
The fuck?
People are acting like he said the word once, by accident. He didn't. He said it a lot. And then spent weeks trying to justify it using the 'I have black friends' defense. It's only now that he's playing the 'I'm sorry and not a bad guy' card.
But I'm not surprised, it seems half the people here have amnesia re: Hogan.
Dude -
1) Lied about taking steroids when asked on a chat show.
2) Told kids they could look like him if he said there prayers and ate their vitamins, while he was doing cocaine and shooting steroids in his ass.
3) Turned to 'God' after his wife divorced him, and then proceeded to make up stories in his book about being on the verge of suicide and being talked out of it by a female celebrity who denies they've ever spoken.
4) Ruthlessly used his position in the WWF to shit-can a wrestling led union by snitching to Vince, at the one time it might have actually gotten traction.
Hogan's 'nice guy' image is bullshit. He was a better actor than we all assumed for being able to keep it going for so long, but he is absolutely a carny and a liar and a racist and a dozen other things. Stop defending him just because he was your childhood hero. He was my childhood hero the same way Bret Hart was, and now I'm an adult I can see them as the gigantic fuck-ups they truly are, people never deserving of any respect or adulation from children.
I think the question its more about what is your definition of "treatment", because I would think that the ill treatment of your own daugther based exclusively on dating black men could qualify under reasonable circusmtances.
Maddocks
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Hogan will be back in the wwe within 5 years tops. People will find someone else to hate by then, they wont forget what he said, but they will forgive it.
It would be easy for me to say nope and never, but I think I'll give him a 2nd chance on this one, we all make mistakes and he made a major one, but I personally think he should get another chance because he is at least addressing it and not running from it.
It would be easy for me to say nope and never, but I think I'll give him a 2nd chance on this one, we all make mistakes and he made a major one, but I personally think he should get another chance because he is at least addressing it and not running from it.
Because this is is less of a "I'm sorry, I fucked up" apology and more "I'm sorry, I got caught fucking up" apology. If he actually owned up to what he did and made it clear that he was sincere in not wanting to be that person anymore, I'd be more than willing to accept it. That's not what is happening here.
As it stands, it's hard to take him at his word when he publicly claims he's not a racist after facing massive fallout over him admitting in private that he is a racist.
evilromero
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Whatever the case may be it's setting a very foul precedent in my opinion. There's no evidence to support your claim that the WWE suspects there's additional wrongdoing on his part so it doesn't seem all that relevant anyways.
All we can go on are the facts. And no one is coddling racists (at least from what I can observe, and certainly not in this thread). There's a current climate and stigma of being called a racist, which doesn't really address the very real issue of being a racist. I think we could utilize incidents like this to turn someone like Hogan around to provide an instructional narrative to his fans that may also knowingly or unknowingly be harboring bigoted attitudes.
None of those things really upset me, or make me think of him in a different light. His comments on the subject on hand absolutely do.
IrishNinja
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damn, as a hogan fan in the day, i'd like to - i mean, we've prolly forgiven celebrities for worse. and i think he started out alright there, but the rationalizing in that last paragraph?
...nah
see this? this would've gone a lot better actually
...nah
see this? this would've gone a lot better actually
I dunno. People only started to overlook Ultimate Warrior saying some amazingly shitty and bigoted things when he was dead and no longer able to continue saying those things enough to remind people of it.
My point is more 'he's not someone who's suddenly done something fucked up.' Dude has been chipping away at the Hogan image for decades. This is just the latest fuck up.
I'm not a racist, egomaniacal asshole, so no.
*edit* what the hell, why bring hip-hop into this?
This isn't even an apology. He admits no wrongdoing and flat out denies to be a racist (when the opposite is evident to anyone not blinded by a haircurtain of wilfull ignorance).
Somewhat. I think Hogan has two very distinct images outside of this particular subject. It's the image WCW/WWF polished, and the one that Hulk polished for himself. Those only familiar with the former definitely have rose tinted glasses more than anyone.
Professor Beef
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I can say pretty easily that I can.
I think more honesty would be something. Like saying "Yes, I was racist, but I changed my views because so and so". In the interview it seems like he's trying to shift blame and isn't really owning up to it. Though I agree that he's in a position where any apology no matter how sincere is likely to be brushed off, but then again how can you know how sincere an apology is?
That's where I stand. When it came out that he did this I was like eh... even as a kid who loved watching him wrestle, I would not have been the least bit surprised to learn that he was racist/bigoted/etc. So this whole blow up didn't make me actually despise the guy. What makes me think he isn't worth his word is the fact that he gave this half-assed apology with that classic excuse which, again, is an obvious sign of insincerity. This is the standard "I'm only sorry that I got caught."
Honestly, he would've been better off never apologizing than what he said. But it's telling that more than a couple of posters think everyone says incredibly offensive/demeaning shit with their buds, because that's what buds do... sit around and spew vitriol. Time to drop that excuse and do some soul searching. Life is better without that garbage.
No one ever forgives hatred of people on the basis of their skin color.
Why? Because there's a long precedent of people being hated on the basis of their skin color. So the people not only have to face their own biases, but also the biases of those who preceded them.
Is that fair? Yep. Stop the hate.
Why? Because there's a long precedent of people being hated on the basis of their skin color. So the people not only have to face their own biases, but also the biases of those who preceded them.
Is that fair? Yep. Stop the hate.
It's 2015, those people weren't gonna change because "PC culture" made hulk apologize. Anytime we give these like minded people room for logic, we're back to debating whether I'm a human being or not. Don't see how that should at all be enabled. Especially when this guy is still saying it's not him, he's not that guy. And the best part about systemic racism, is there is little proof and the little that there is, is always minimized as a single incident.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
You know exactly why. "The blacks" is what Hogan used as an excuse..why wouldn't his foaming defenders?
ElectricBlanketFire
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But they curse! CURSE!
Are you telling me you never curse behind closed doors?
*folds arms confidently*
Its kinda unfair that you ask people to be this models of morality and rationality in front of dehumanizing treatment that kills their spirits via thousands of little daily cuts. That is the truly terrible outlook that I see.
I just wish some people could say what they really feel instead of beating around the bush.
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