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Hypothetical Movies: Batman Beyond

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Okay, this is the one I've been looking forward to. I fucking LOVE Batman Beyond. I shouldn't even need to ask what would get you hyped for a BB movie, because you should be hyped by it's mere existence. Hell, you should be outside hollywood studio's rioting for one right now.

In terms of plot, it's hard to know what to improve on the original TV show. It's pretty damn comprehensive as far as origin stories go. Only think that might not mix is the realistic tone that DC seems to be going for with the radioactiveman villain we have going in the cartoon, but I think that could be changed or even worked in, if we're going to include more fantastical heroes from DC.

I'm not that knowledgeable on actors, but Terry has a very specific sense of humor. He loves snarking, but it's usually very dark and cynical, often insulting. They need to be able to pull that off well. Also, someone who can alter their voice believably, because we don't need another Bale voice batman. Thought that might not be as big a problem with the futuristic setting. You can handwave it away that the suit alters the voice.

My only real concern is how it would look. Most of the suit should be fine, but in the show, Terry's mask moved with his whole face, which might be harder to pull off in real life...but, worse comes to worse, it could just be a normal face cover that doesn't move or has limited movement.

But yeah, hollywood, whats wrong with you, get on this shit already

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Clint Eastwood as Bruce Wayne in a Batman Beyond movie is one of my wildest dreams that I know will never come true.
 
It would be a waste because people dont identify with space Batman. Bruce Wayne, Batmobiles, Alfred, Joker...this is Batman to the masses. Otherwise you're just making a fanservice film that will ultimately fail financially.
 
One other thing that I think is small, but necessary is that he CANNOT be ironman. As high tech as the Batsuit is, it's still designed around stealth and maneuverability as it's primary functions. It does have offensive capabilities, but not as many as you'd think and not much more than most batsuits do anyway. Terry cannot power through his opponents like iron man does.

It would also be cool if it established it's capabilities early on and Terry had to come up with inventive ways to use them instead of coming up with new abilities out the ass.

Escape Goat said:
It would be a waste because people dont identify with space Batman. Bruce Wayne, Batmobiles, Alfred, Joker...this is Batman to the masses. Otherwise you're just making a fanservice film that will ultimately fail financially.
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People said the same before BB premiered, but it found it's fanbase. There is no reason it can't be replicated on the big screen. Just make it good, like the show was.
 
The whole time I was watching Dark Knight Rises, I was hoping that at the end, the woman would call out Blake's legal name as "Mr. McGinnis" or just call him "Terry." I would probably be the only person in the theater who would have gotten the joke, but I would have been so freakin' happy.

Somebody needs to do an orchestral mix of the Nolanverse Batman movie theme with the Batman Beyond theme. It would sound unreal.

Veelk said:
One other thing that I think is small, but necessary is that he CANNOT be ironman. As high tech as the Batsuit is, it's still designed around stealth and maneuverability as it's primary functions and doesn't actually have that many offensive capabilities, not anymore than most batsuits do anyway. Terry cannot power through his opponents like iron man does.

It would also be cool if it established it's capabilities early on and Terry had to come up with inventive ways to use them instead of coming up with new abilities out the ass.
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The only thing offense-wise that I recall being mentioned was that Terry wondered if the suit magnified the wearer's strength tenfold, back in the first episodes. I wonder if that was more a function of Bruce being older at that point and needing the edge, while Terry didn't need or want the boost to go that far for himself.
 
Sure it would work. Batman for tweens. Young Joker, young Batman, etc. It all makes sense from a marketing sense. Gotta Marvel any way they can.
 
Escape Goat said:
It would be a waste because people dont identify with space Batman. Bruce Wayne, Batmobiles, Alfred, Joker...this is Batman to the masses. Otherwise you're just making a fanservice film that will ultimately fail financially.
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I highly doubt a movie with batman in the title will fail, especially if its tied with a cool trailer

Opening shot

Terry McInnes starring aaron paul in a club with dub step playing

Gang of young neo-clockwork orange style thugs with clown masks fuck shit up

Wayne manor riddled with secret chambers and updated future shit but has a rusty weathered exterior

Make it happen

C
 
ShinoguTakeruKoeru said:
The whole time I was watching Dark Knight Rises, I was hoping that at the end, the woman would call out Blake's legal name as "Mr. McGinnis" or just call him "Terry." I would probably be the only person in the theater who would have gotten the joke, but I would have been so freakin' happy.

Somebody needs to do an orchestral mix of the Nolanverse Batman movie theme with the Batman Beyond theme. It would sound unreal.



The only thing offense-wise that I recall being mentioned was that Terry wondered if the suit magnified the wearer's strength tenfold, back in the first episodes. I wonder if that was more a function of Bruce being older at that point and needing the edge, while Terry didn't need or want the boost to go that far for himself.
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That would have been so good.
 
This is the sort of idea that seems like a no-brainer and one which seems impossible to screw up, but sure enough if this were to ever actually happen I have no doubt hollywood would find a way to screw it up.

I want it to happen about as much as I don't want it to happen.
 
ShinoguTakeruKoeru said:
The only thing offense-wise that I recall being mentioned was that Terry wondered if the suit magnified the wearer's strength tenfold, back in the first episodes. I wonder if that was more a function of Bruce being older at that point and needing the edge, while Terry didn't need or want the boost to go that far for himself.
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http://dcanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Terry_McGinnis's_Batsuit

Here's the list of all its functions. Aside from the strength, it also had retractable claws (which I think were meant for climbing and only conveniently functioned as a weapon) and some wrist batarang shooters. Also, a variety of batarangs, but old batsuits had that, so I don't count it.

Otherwise, they're nearly all designed towards other things.
 
The suit gives him super strength but otherwise it's still a stealth/agility suit and nothing else.
 
Mister Saturn said:
Heh, hopefully the suit is made of sturdier stuff at least.

Here's a question: should the movie address in some way the source of the title "Batman Beyond"?
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Ha. Yeah, Bruce hasn't reached Tony's level of engineering genius, but he knows to not make his suit out of tin foil at least.

Anyway, if we're going by the DC school of movie naming, the movie would be called "The Tomorrow Knight"

But few people know of Terry's epitaph, so they'd use Batman Beyond atleast for the first movie. And the Beyond was never really addressed until a very late episode in justice league, of all things, so it should be fine if it's unexplained.

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Oh, man, I can't believe I forgot to mention this in some way. This is the coolest batmobile of all time, seriously, I would KILL to see it on the big screen.
 
As far as the rogue's gallery is concerned, I don't think you can really go wrong except for a select few cases. Shriek, as somebody who can manipulate sound waves and emit shock waves, would be freakin' insane to experience in even the most modestly equipped theater system. The original TV episode that he was in had that awesome bit where Shriek was fighting Terry in the warehouse and isolated the sounds in the freakin' warehouse to track him down.

Inque would be the easy button job as the CG wonder, and a sort of femme fatale. Curare was from a League of Assassins-esque group of honor-bound warriors (and also a woman, which was pretty cool too). Derek Powers would be the nuclear option (pun intended) as the rival CEO who ultimately gets mutated by his NANOMACHINES into Blight, but it would be worth it to have his first pseudo-biblical-epic line uttered on the big screen.

And behold I shall be a blight upon the land and everything I touch shall wither and die.
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Heck, with Batman Beyond, you could even do Mr. Freeze a bit more logically than a Nolanverse installment could try!

How broad-reaching is the Royal Flush Gang? I never heard of them outside of the context of Batman Beyond, but that's just me not having read much of any comics, let alone DC.

Stay away from the high school teen drama villains like Golem and Willy Watt, or the villains that kind of just existed as a metaphor for drug abuse. Although, in the latter case, the animal gene-splicing thing might not be too bad...

The Eggbaby episode has to happen.

Mister Saturn said:
Here's a question: should the movie address in some way the source of the title "Batman Beyond"?
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Tricky. I would hope that they don't go the route that eventually happened in Justice League: Unlimited as the explanation (It would be extremely hokey in ways). Wasn't it called something like "The Tomorrow Knight" or "Batman of the Future" in international markets? Was just asking, not positing those as better by any means. ;;>_>
 
Honestly, it's the smartest move for them going forward with the Batman franchise. You can't do anything that even touches upon the realism of the Dark Knight trilogy. Heading in the opposite direction with something like Beyond is the only way to avoid brand confusion.
 
For all the naysayers, consider this: Paul Dini was a writer on Batman Beyond and Batman TAS. Batman TAS is responsible for many mainstream revisions and characters that are now ingrained in the comics continuity. Harley Quinn, Mr. Freeze, Competent business runner Bruce Wayne etc. He wrote the story for Arkham Asylum (not that great, but good for an action game IMO. Just shows he can do more than cartoon shows)

Now how much shit from even the Nolan Batmans made it into mainstream comics? The only good thing those movies had was supporting cast acting with the Joker and a consistent style of as close to real life as possible.

Obviously it wouldn't be a lame ass shot for shot remake of the show with it's villain of the week or whatever, and it'd be a bit more dramatic with the backstory of Terry and his dad dying, running into Bruce Wayne and finding the Batcave.

I think if you get Paul Dini to write a first draft screenplay and then give his ok on the final, it'd be a good movie.
 
Veelk said:
The vast majority of which relate to stealth or maneuverability. It's definitely a stealth/agility suit. He is NOT Iron man. This point cannot be emphasized enough.
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Other than being able to shoot beams out of his hands, it's pretty close.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
Honestly, it's the smartest move for them going forward with the Batman franchise. You can't do anything that even touches upon the realism of the Dark Knight trilogy. Heading in the opposite direction with something like Beyond is the only way to avoid brand confusion.
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I don't really think thats a big deal unless they directly copy Nolan style stuff.
But its a good opportunity while Batman is at his most popular to try something like this,
don't wait until Batman movies are run back into the ground.
 
ShinoguTakeruKoeru said:
As far as the rogue's gallery is concerned, I don't think you can really go wrong except for a select few cases. Shriek, as somebody who can manipulate sound waves and emit shock waves, would be freakin' insane to experience in even the most modestly equipped theater system. The original TV episode that he was in had that awesome bit where Shriek was fighting Terry in the warehouse and isolated the sounds in the freakin' warehouse to track him down.

Inque would be the easy button job as the CG wonder, and a sort of femme fatale. Curare was from a League of Assassins-esque group of honor-bound warriors (and also a woman, which was pretty cool too). Derek Powers would be the nuclear option (pun intended) as the rival CEO who ultimately gets mutated by his NANOMACHINES into Blight, but it would be worth it to have his first pseudo-biblical-epic line uttered on the big screen.

Heck, with Batman Beyond, you could even do Mr. Freeze a bit more logically than a Nolanverse installment could try!

How broad-reaching is the Royal Flush Gang? I never heard of them outside of the context of Batman Beyond, but that's just me not having read much of any comics, let alone DC.

Stay away from the high school teen drama villains like Golem and Willy Watt, or the villains that kind of just existed as a metaphor for drug abuse. Although, in the latter case, the animal gene-splicing thing might not be too bad...

The Eggbaby episode has to happen.
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Blight: [being stalked from the shadows by Batman] Who are you?!
Batman: [pauses] You really want to know?
Blight: Yes!
Batman: [enters] You killed my father.
[Slight pause]
Blight: Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?!
Batman: Too bad. That's all you'll ever get.
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I'll give him this much, Blight did have some good quotes

But honestly, I think Ra's worked so well as the first villain for Nolan because he made him after the same thing Bruce was: Justice. The themes are what made Nolan's Batman successful, so if they're going to emulate it, then I think we need to do the same thing. Have a villain that is striving for the same thing Terry is. Not justice....in his case, I always felt that Terry was more after redemption, for his actions. If so, then maybe the royal flush gang or something? Someone who is doing what they do to make up for something they did before.
 
I've been watching the series again right now actually, and I love it. I particularly enjoy the relationship between Terry and Bruce, it feels real for some reason. I would love a movie. Or another season.
 
Jarmel said:
Other than being able to shoot beams out of his hands, it's pretty close.
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Watch the cartoon and look at how Terry fights. He jumps and dodges and hits much like how Batman in the Arkham games does. He's agile, careful not to take hits. He even avoids fighting when he can, preferring to stay in the shadows.

Compare that to what you see Iron man do in the movies. He's a power house. When he's not shooting the beams from his hands, he's firing lasers, bullets, rockets, etc. The few times he does get into fist fights, he's got nothing in maneuverability. He just slugs them and rarely even bothers to dodge because usually nothing can hurt him and just pounding away is enough.

No. There is a world of difference between their suits. Look up the actual recorded data on the batsuit and you'll see for yourself that the majority of it's abilities are non-aggressive.
 
Razgriz-Specter said:
I don't really think thats a big deal unless they directly copy Nolan style stuff.
But its a good opportunity while Batman is at his most popular to try something like this.
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Perhaps brand confusion isn't the right word. If WB started up in 2015 with a new gritty, realistic Batman in line with the Man Of Steel universe, it would be seen in the public eye as a continuation of the Dark Knight films - which Nolan is expressly against. You can't do anything realistic without being seen as copying Nolan at this point.
 
Veelk said:
Watch the cartoon and look at how Terry fights. He jumps and dodges and hits much like how Batman in the Arkham games does.

Compare that to what you see Iron man do in the movies. He's a power house. When he's not shooting the beams from his hands, he's firing lasers, bullets, rockets, etc. The few times he does get into fist fights, he's got nothing in maneuverability. He just slugs them and that's usually enough.

No. There is a world of difference between their suits.
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Yes, the Beyond suit is more agility oriented compared to the more militaristic stance of Iron Man but that's also because Tony isn't as agile a fighter as Terry is anyway. Both offer increase durability in fights, electronic capabilities, increased strength, advanced HUDs, resistance against elements, flight, and offensive weapons(although Stark is much more offensive oriented). They're easily in the same realm even if they don't have the same exact strengths, which also partly due to the personalities of the actual superheroes.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
Perhaps brand confusion isn't the right word. If WB started up in 2015 with a new gritty, realistic Batman in line with the Man Of Steel universe, it would be seen in the public eye as a continuation of the Dark Knight films - which Nolan is expressly against. You can't do anything realistic without being seen as copying Nolan at this point.
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Sure you can. :)

I do agree most people may not realize that Nolan's Bat Universe isn't really integrated with MoS or JL due to fantastical elements. Nevertheless, as long as they actually don't try to emulate Nolan specifically and stick to a particular vision it'll be fine.
 
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