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I'm not saying I agree with the reasoning, but no one finds it odd that is going to be Nintendo's biggest title of the year, it comes out in exactly a month, and there is NO advertisments for it? No PR releases, no TV spots, no interviews, etc?

Seems very odd to me...
And with the still running adds and massive success of Mario Galaxy, it really wouldn't surprose me at all if Nintendo pushed the title into their next fiscal year...
I mean they'll need it really if they want yoy increases in revenue. They can't afford to have Galaxy and Smash on the same sheets if they hope to outdo it the following year :lol
 
besada said:
This is pretty much definitional FUD here. Which is funny because it's a ninguy spreading the FUD.

You guys just don't know how to relax in the winning position, do you?
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I am not a Ninguy! I am a Ninguy360! I would have a 360 if I had time for it since it is awesome. But I wants my game. I am working hard to finish Mario Galaxy, Bioshock, HL2 Episode 1/2, and Phantom Hourglass before Feb 10, at which time I must have this game and after all the Nintendo promises I DESERVE this game.
 
TheKingsCrown said:
You just called Smash Bros. a button masher, which also demonstrates YOU don't know what you are talking about. Thus, we should stop chatting about this. :P
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Uh, you just compared Smash along the lines of DOA. Therefor, you just placed the games as "button mashers". Savvy? I've seen plenty of high teir matches with Smach at EVO and there's some depth to it. But right out of the box and onto the surface it certainly can be classified as a button masher. Or one button masher in this case of Smash. Hopefully Brawl brings some more to the table. I'm looking forward to it.
 
CcrooK said:
Uh, you just compared Smash along the lines of DOA. Therefor, you just placed the games as "button mashers". Savvy? I've seen plenty of high teir matches with Smach at EVO and there's some depth to it. But right out of the box and onto the surface it certainly can be classified as a button masher. Or one button masher in this case of Smash. Hopefully Brawl brings some more to the table. I'm looking forward to it.
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I compared Smash with DOA due to what I felt they added to the genre. That's about it though, they are clearly very different.

Ask any Smash Bros. pro and they'll tell you they can 100% guaranteed beat a button masher one on one.
 
get over yourself. If the game gets delayed you're gonna sit in your house and bitch from your computer like you're the only person and this is the only thing in life that matters, and the world will keep spinning. I've been hyping this game since it was announced, but making a thread like this is just making fans of the Smash games look bad.
 
TheKingsCrown said:
I compared Smash with DOA due to what I felt they added to the genre. That's about it though, they are clearly very different.

Ask any Smash Bros. pro and they'll tell you they can 100% guaranteed beat a button masher one on one.
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Which are so very few of -wink-. You don't need to remind the masses of the obvious. Any pro can beat a "button masher" but that doesn't change the state of what the game is on the surface. Until you learn the game for what it is, the end result is rewarding. VF has a very high dosage of that. Learn the game, satisfacation.
 
CcrooK said:
Uh, you just compared Smash along the lines of DOA. Therefor, you just placed the games as "button mashers". Savvy? I've seen plenty of high teir matches with Smach at EVO and there's some depth to it. But right out of the box and onto the surface it certainly can be classified as a button masher. Or one button masher in this case of Smash. Hopefully Brawl brings some more to the table. I'm looking forward to it.
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So in order to judge of a game's depth, you choose to look at what comes out "right out of the box" rather than considering what people who actually try to explore said depth are doing ?

Yeah, that makes sense.
 
John Harker said:
I'm not saying I agree with the reasoning, but no one finds it odd that is going to be Nintendo's biggest title of the year, it comes out in exactly a month, and there is NO advertisments for it? No PR releases, no TV spots, no interviews, etc?
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Two points:

1) Nintendo really sucks at advertising their games.

2) Usually advertisements start about 2 weeks or so before launch. Recent evidence of this shows the advertising blitz in Japan.


Oh, and I love how Ccrook say's savvy. I need to watch pirates of the carribean trilogy again. :lol
 
If Nintendo delays this game to March, I hold true I will ram my body into their building.

And if SOMEHOW I survive that feat, and live to actually play the game, the Wifi connectivity had better be FLAWLESS.
 
CcrooK said:
Which are so very few of -wink-. You don't need to remind the masses of the obvious. Any pro can beat a "button masher" but that doesn't change the state of what the game is on the surface. Until you learn the game for what it is, the end result is rewarding. VF has a very high dosage of that. Learn the game, satisfacation.
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This is shitty logic. I played VF5 demo and just button mashed to win. Therefore VF5 is a button masher.

Seriously, wtf. And I'd say there's more high level players in Smash than VF. Maybe more high level Smash players than VF players period judging by sales ;)
 
The game is being advertised with commercials in Japan. Therefore, there is not going to be a Japanese delay. The game is probably done right now. Since the US version seems to have been developed alongside the Japanese (what with all the English screenshots on the Dojo), I can only assume that the only possible reason Nintendo would have to delay the US version is pure malice, and I don't think that's going to happen.
 
Holy Order Sol said:
So in order to judge of a game's depth, you choose to look at what comes out "right out of the box" rather than considering what people who actually try to explore said depth are doing ?

Yeah, that makes sense.
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Well. Yes. If you're playing a fighting game for the first time, I would imagin your first take would be to "mash" away and the likes. (Or in other cases, try for those hadokens ;) ). If yer pulling some sort of combo or obvious moves from the listing, then you can technically get away with it. But if your sitting here doing a punch, punch........wait...kick, blah blah blah, you'r going to notice right off the bat that you can't do such a thing so you look further into playing the game of how it's played. Smash right off to start you can do three hit string combos. Run to the left. To the right. Jump jump. Another three hit string combo. It's endless. That's where my "button mashing" comes from with Smash. If you learn the game properly, you'll be doing guards, dash behind opponents to damage, use the ledge to your advantages of keeping them off and kiling them off that said ledge. It's not rocket science. It's just damn obvious of what type of game it is.
 
Firestorm said:
This is shitty logic. I played VF5 demo and just button mashed to win. Therefore VF5 is a button masher.

Seriously, wtf. And I'd say there's more high level players in Smash than VF. Maybe more high level Smash players than VF players period judging by sales ;)
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Naw. There's more competition within say Guilty Gear or Tekken these days. Hell. There's probably more within Melty Blood.
 
CcrooK said:
Well. Yes. If you're playing a fighting game for the first time, I would imagin your first take would be to "mash" away and the likes. (Or in other cases, try for those hadokens ;) ). If yer pulling some sort of combo or obvious moves from the listing, then you can technically get away with it. But if your sitting here doing a punch, punch........wait...kick, blah blah blah, you'r going to notice right off the bat that you can't do such a thing so you look further into playing the game of how it's played. Smash right off to start you can do three hit string combos. Run to the left. To the right. Jump jump. Another three hit string combo. It's endless. That's where my "button mashing" comes from with Smash. If you learn the game properly, you'll be doing guards, dash behind opponents to damage, use the ledge to your advantages of keeping them off and kiling them off that said ledge. It's not rocket science. It's just damn obvious of what type of game it is.
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No you won't. Combos in Smash require quite a bit more than 3 a button presses. Screw it. Class is over. Argue later!
 
RedBoot said:
The game is being advertised with commercials in Japan. Therefore, there is not going to be a Japanese delay. The game is probably done right now. Since the US version seems to have been developed alongside the Japanese (what with all the English screenshots on the Dojo), I can only assume that the only possible reason Nintendo would have to delay the US version is pure malice, and I don't think that's going to happen.
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The difference between Japan and the U.S. right now, though, is that Wii is still completely sold out in the U.S.
 
CcrooK said:
Well. Yes. If you're playing a fighting game for the first time, I would imagin your first take would be to "mash" away and the likes. (Or in other cases, try for those hadokens ;) ). If yer pulling some sort of combo or obvious moves from the listing, then you can technically get away with it. But if your sitting here doing a punch, punch........wait...kick, blah blah blah, you'r going to notice right off the bat that you can't do such a thing so you look further into playing the game of how it's played. Smash right off to start you can do three hit string combos. Run to the left. To the right. Jump jump. Another three hit string combo. It's endless. That's where my "button mashing" comes from with Smash. If you learn the game properly, you'll be doing guards, dash behind opponents to damage, use the ledge to your advantages of keeping them off and kiling them off that said ledge. It's not rocket science. It's just damn obvious of what type of game it is.
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Seems like by your definition any fighter would be a button-masher since you've got to start somewhere and learn the basics before you try some advanced stuff.
I don't think you can get away with those three-hit combos you mentioned for Smash though. Some characters don't even have them, they can hardly kill anything, and if you whiff them you're likely to get grabbed/smashed into oblivion. I think you're going to notice that those are meant to interrupt/regain priority/set up for something else you'll have to learn afterwards. It's not that different.
 
Holy Order Sol said:
Seems like by your definition any fighter would be a button-masher since you've got to start somewhere and learn the basics before you try some advanced stuff.
I don't think you can get away with those three-hit combos you mentioned for Smash though. Some characters don't even have them, they can hardly kill anything, and if you whiff them you're likely to get grabbed/smashed into oblivion. I think you're going to notice that those are meant to interrupt/regain priority/set up for something else you'll have to learn afterwards. It's not that different.
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I just have my own take on defining what a button masher is. Not everyone is going to agree with me and I'm always open for debate on it. It's just how I view Smash as, a button masher. But I respect others opinions about Smash. I don't hate the game. I thinks it a great take on the fighting frachise of gaming and does what others don't entirely. That's what makes it stand out from the others.
 
CcrooK said:
I just have my own take on defining what a button masher is. Not everyone is going to agree with me and I'm always open for debate on it. It's just how I view Smash as, a button masher. But I respect others opinions about Smash. I don't hate the game. I thinks it a great take on the fighting frachise of gaming and does what others don't entirely. That's what makes it stand out from the others.
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But what is NOT a button masher to you? I guess that's where I am confused.
 
TheKingsCrown said:
But what is NOT a button masher to you? I guess that's where I am confused.
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Well. I suppose the question is, if you're a player where you do a 3 - 6 hit string combo over and over and over, could you concider that a "button mashing" method or just a lame method? Hrm. Maybe "button mashing" needs a whole new defenition. It'd be like asking "Is NG or DMC a button mashing game?". See the concept?
 
Not as deep as Tekken or VF? You mean not as deep as worthless, mindless memorization of stupid shitty time-wasting combos?
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You have to be god-awful at fighting games to not naturally learn these things through normal play.

Or is normal play considered shitty and time-wasting too?
 
TheKingsCrown said:
Here are my reasons supporting this conclusion:

1. Nintendo doesn't have any Wii's available here.
2. Ergo, they do not need any help selling systems.
3. They would love to drive hardware sales in America through next XMAS and will shift the release date of Brawl to do so.
4. Rumors around the 'net, including ones which suggest that slips in other games will cause Brawl to fall back.
5. They love Drinky Crow. Little does GAF know, but Drinky Crow is actually a Nintendo plant here, and he will post 10,000 threads when the delay is announced, crowing all over it to rile the emotions of the prestigious Wii owners of this board.


Nintendo, please do not delay my most anticipated game alongside Starcraft 2 just because of marketing / Wii system reasons. Get the damn games out there, it will naturally create demand for the system if the library is as awesome as it will be when Brawl comes out, and never mind Wii Fit.

PLEASE DO NOT DELAY THIS GAME ANY FURTHER I WILL CRY.
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Cluck you! Clucking mother-clucker! :D
 
botticus said:
That was also the case with Mario Galaxy.
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Point taken. But between Feb and March we're not talking the difference between Pre-xmas and post-xmas either . It would seen as much less damaging, which is why


WE HAVE TO RISE UP AND PROTEST AND YELL
 
You know, nevermind. You're right. Smash isn't a button masher. DOA and Soul Calibur are. If you're there pressing 3 -4 buttons at once and doing shit on screen to kill someone, that's button mashing. That doesn't make the games bad if you learn how to play them. (I'm all pro for DOA and Soul Calibur. I'm just a fighter junkie who wishes his arcade would grow some balls.) You'll have to excuse me for not thinking outside of the box this morning. I'm hung over and shocked I can still type this well. I will end my debate and await for the new Soul Calibur 4 stuff later today after I sleep off this god aweful headache. Peace.
 
Can't believe Nintendo is going to delay SSB. Expect 09 for Europe.


Cluck you Nintendo, cluck you!
 
CcrooK said:
Well. I suppose the question is, if you're a player where you do a 3 - 6 hit string combo over and over and over, could you concider that a "button mashing" method or just a lame method? Hrm. Maybe "button mashing" needs a whole new defenition. It'd be like asking "Is NG or DMC a button mashing game?". See the concept?
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I would say it's a button-masher if it's possible to win by mashing buttons, which really isn't the case in Smash. DoA is closer to that, though DoA has some depth too and I really like the simplified control scheme. Powerstone is certainly a button-masher, and has pretty much zero depth.
 
This is the most bizarre thread ever.

A pre-emptive discussion on an unannounced delay for a game. :lol

Just gives more time for No More Heroes to shine. Come on Ubi don't screw this up!
 
Nintendo doesn't delay games within a month of release. So it it happens, it'll happen in the next few days
 
They won't delay the American release without also delaying the Japanese release.

The Japanese release is less than 3 weeks away, which is too soon for it to be delayed.

Ergo . . .
 
TheKingsCrown said:
We must RISE and tell Nintendo we will NOT accept a delay.

Everyone who supports this measure, please display

+1 CLUX


in your post.
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Okay you need a reality check. Its only a damn game
 
Gekkonidae said:
They won't delay the American release without also delaying the Japanese release.

The Japanese release is less than 3 weeks away, which is too soon for it to be delayed.

Ergo . . .
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Well techincally they could for marketing reasons
 
CcrooK said:
Uh, you just compared Smash along the lines of DOA. Therefor, you just placed the games as "button mashers". Savvy?
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Dude you can button mash in Smash about as much as you can button mash in a platformer.

As in you *can't*.

BTW A button masher for me is a game in which you can win by mindlessly mashing buttons. See Eddy in Tekken.
 
The game is done, there are millions of Wii owners.
Nintendo America wants their $$$$$$
Nintendo Japan wants their $$$$$$
Nintendo europe do not want $$$$$$
They also have Mario Kart to move loads of systems.
 
So basically, after reading the OP we can tell ourselves "there's no real reasons for Nintendo to delay Brawl". Awesome.
 
Wow I really feel bad for fans who keep finding reasons to be non-commital. Always having a 'FUCK YOU NINTENDO' post at a moment's notice. :lol

All this and not appreciating just how good a year 2007 was for Nintendo. Not enough to get over one game's delay anyways. It's a shame.
 
MisterHero said:
Wow I really feel bad for fans who keep finding reasons to be non-commital. Always having a 'FUCK YOU NINTENDO' post at a moment's notice. :lol

All this and not appreciating just how good a year 2007 was for Nintendo. Not enough to get over one game's delay anyways. It's a shame.
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This game was supposed to be out at launch, with online.

For Sakurai I accepted any delays up until this point, but now I know he is done with the game.
 
TheKingsCrown said:
This game was supposed to be out at launch, with online.

For Sakurai I accepted any delays up until this point, but now I know he is done with the game.
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Sakurai said that without his specific input Nintendo would have retooled Melee to be Online with no changes at all.
 
TheKingsCrown said:
Really?

...

REALLY?

Source? I certainly didn't see this piece of news.
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Masahiro Sakurai's blog on an old version of Smashbros.com Page 2
http://web.archive.org/web/20060618121557/www.smashbros.com/en/story/page_2.html

"We'd work to make the game independently, but we might be told to simply focus on making the game Wi-Fi compatible, and may be instructed not to lay a hand on any of the 26 characters in the current game, Super Smash Bros. Melee."

They would make Smash Bros. without changing any of the 26 characters in any way whatsoever. What kind of a new installment would that make. And Mr. Iwata wouldn't be too hot on the idea of just handing the franchise over to someone else. Probably."
 
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