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I don't know what Berserk is but Im intrigued

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And for the same reasons (with the addition of an absurd amount of racism and classism), I'd recommend not bothering with Lovecraft.
Unless you're interested in finding out what gross garbage horror fans have managed to turn into an icon and a posthumous merchandise empire. It's quite a fascinating, if deeply disturbing.

Not exactly a fair comparison seeing as how Lovecraft was writing his stories about a century ago. That's not to say that it can't bother you, as it certainly bothers me, but it does read in a different light. Fortunately you can pick his stories that don't feature those aspects. I do the same with Howard, as some of his Solomon Kane stories are unbearably racist and some of his middle Conan stories are way too sexist. Then there's Smith, my far and away favorite of the three, who barely had anything of the sort in his stories.

And there's no way you can call Lovecraft's writing bad. At the very least, not in the same way as Berserk, where you have nonstop lines akin to "You puny mortal/you foolish human" and some of the most awkward political intrigue dialogue around.
 
I just finished the anime, and I feel emotionally drained.

So, was it budgetary constraints that prevented a 26th episode? Could one more have concluded the golden age/eclipse?
 
Berserk man... How could anyone not recommend it at every given chance? Read it and then read it again and then watch the show and then watch the movies and then read it again and then play the Dreamcast game.

The anime needs to be continued. Since the movies just finished where the anime left off it would be perfect too. Now's the time to strike!
 
I just finished the anime, and I feel emotionally drained.

So, was it budgetary constraints that prevented a 26th episode? Could one more have concluded the golden age/eclipse?

I think it was more that they wanted viewers to pick up the manga. End on a cliffhanger and tell them "Hey, there's the next piece."

If the ending was more conclusive, that wouldn't work.
 
Watch the movies, they are awesome and are a good introduction to the manga.

Don't listen to the hipster-elitist-ass crowd "the book/comics is waaaaay better, I've read it even before the birth of the movie director"

Also the manga drags for volumes without going anywhere and switches from dark fantasy to One Piece.
 
The manga is awesome. I just wish there was an end in sight.
The anime is great. It kinda ends out of nowhere admittingly, but the ride is great. I loved when they did still shots based on the manga.
I haven't seen the movies though.

I watched the crap out of the AMV way back when.
Berserk AMV - System of a Down - Chop Suey
 
If you're not willing to read years of manga there's no point asking because that's what it is. The movies/anime only cover one arc. Like maybe the first 90 something chapters or so. Or 7 years of a manga that's been running for 20+ years.

I burned through the manga for the first time in like a few weeks span years ago. You're dedicating time to read a comic book not some thick text. They're a quick and great read.
20 years of manga... Aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Berserk is a fucking tiny amount of reading. Yeah it's technically been running since like 1988, but it only 330 some odd chapters.

Miura makes George RR Martin's pace look breakneck.

Just read the manga, but beware that most of it is just downer after emotional downer.
Yeah, right up to the point where it turns into a bullshit shonen.
 
The movies cut out a lot of important stuff, the anime does too, but replaces it with stuff to make sense on its own.

Basically you should read it, but if watching the anime doesn't hook you with that last episode you're crazy.
 
20 years of manga... Aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Berserk is a fucking tiny amount of reading. Yeah it's technically been running since like 1988, but it only 330 some odd chapters.

Miura makes George RR Martin's pace look breakneck.


Yeah, right up to the point where it turns into a bullshit shonen.

This. I fucking posted something so similar in another Berserk thread yesterday. GRRM reference and all.

I really like Berserk, but at this point it's fucking VaporWare.

They could continue the anime, release only 2 episodes a year, and still catch up to the manga before it ends.

Ending is no where in sight storyline wise, neither is the next chapter release wise.
 
I liked berserk, but
after a while it just became rape porn to me. Casca just kept losing her clothes and getting fondled by monsters every time she got into a fight, in fact every female character seems to get raped in some way. That really turned me off, and felt like I was reading a deranged hentai.
Does it get better?
 
I liked berserk, but
after a while it just became rape porn to me. Casca just kept losing her clothes and getting fondled by monsters every time she got into a fight, in fact every female character seems to get raped in some way. That really turned me off, and felt like I was reading a deranged hentai.
Does it get better?

Yes.

Mostly.
 
I liked berserk, but
after a while it just became rape porn to me. Casca just kept losing her clothes and getting fondled by monsters every time she got into a fight, in fact every female character seems to get raped in some way. That really turned me off, and felt like I was reading a deranged hentai.
Does it get better?

Fortunately yes. But I know what you mean... Jesus Christ
 
Well. You gonna try to rape damn wizard? Some crazy not-hot Religious nut lady?

Or the Hot chick making goo-goo sounds and staring off into space wandering around aimlessly and helpless?

Demons gonna Demon. They need love too you guys.
 
I liked berserk, but
after a while it just became rape porn to me. Casca just kept losing her clothes and getting fondled by monsters every time she got into a fight, in fact every female character seems to get raped in some way. That really turned me off, and felt like I was reading a deranged hentai.
Does it get better?

Like others have said it does get better but yeah that bothered me as well. I love pretty much everything about this series apart from the constant rape stuff. Some of that stuff has its place in the story and actually contributes to the development of the characters but a lot of it is just purely gratuitous and like you said, it just reads like some fucked up hentai.
 
Like others have said it does get better but yeah that bothered me as well. I love pretty much everything about this series apart from the constant rape stuff. Some of that stuff has its place in the story and actually contributes to the development of the characters but a lot of it is just purely gratuitous and like you said, it just reads like some fucked up hentai.

I do think that's meant to make the reader uncomfortable, and we see the effects of these attempts pretty clearly.

The women sure do get their unfair share though.
 
I liked berserk, but
after a while it just became rape porn to me. Casca just kept losing her clothes and getting fondled by monsters every time she got into a fight, in fact every female character seems to get raped in some way. That really turned me off, and felt like I was reading a deranged hentai.
Does it get better?

Yeh wow.
I only watched the anime but seriously it really bugged me. They introduce Casca as some strong female character then for the rest of the show she just proceeds to cry, be threatened with rape and then actually brutally raped at the end. It was extremely off putting in what was otherwise a good show.
 
Like others have said it does get better but yeah that bothered me as well. I love pretty much everything about this series apart from the constant rape stuff. Some of that stuff has its place in the story and actually contributes to the development of the characters but a lot of it is just purely gratuitous and like you said, it just reads like some fucked up hentai.

Pretty much, though there hasn't really been any (that I recall)

since

The trolls. Most of it was golden age + trolls, but I wouldn't mind if they cut that out in the anime or toned it down. The only time I think it made story sense was when the count's wife was having an orgy or something, causing him to activate his behelit. The trolls origins could easily be rewritten, Casca's rape can't be, the whole story would be better off without Wyald. The eclipse seems way less impactful with Wyald being revealed, showing that apostles exist. Imo I think the best story order is the one presented in the movies, but the movies lack a lot of buildup and themes that are in the anime/manga.
 
Pretty much, though there hasn't really been any (that I recall)

since

The trolls. Most of it was golden age + trolls, but I wouldn't mind if they cut that out in the anime or toned it down. The only time I think it made story sense was when the count's wife was having an orgy or something, causing him to activate his behelit. The trolls origins could easily be rewritten, Casca's rape can't be, the whole story would be better off without Wyald. The eclipse seems way less impactful with Wyald being revealed, showing that apostles exist. Imo I think the best story order is the one presented in the movies, but the movies lack a lot of buildup and themes that are in the anime/manga.
But the Wyald fight was great. And they already knew apostles existed when they fought Zod.
 
I just finished the anime, and I feel emotionally drained.

So, was it budgetary constraints that prevented a 26th episode? Could one more have concluded the golden age/eclipse?

What got me is that the anime doesn't introduce the character
that ends up saving Gutz
at the end.

I had to read the manga just to see how things continued.
 
Berserk is a story in which characters make irreversible decisions and have to live with them. No point in expecting a show that keeps repeating itself (sadly i do think some berserk fans also expect it).

All I really know about Berserk is that the Souls series is heavily HEAVILY inspired by it. Currently watching the movie "Berserk The Golden Age Arc 1" which seems to be some sort of prologue to the series, and Im intrigued to say the least.

It's a shitty movie. It's not a prologue either.

What should I go about watching or reading it to get a good primer on the series? Im not willing to read years of manga, no time or real interest tbh. So is there a greatest hit or something I could look at? Maybe an order or something I should read/watch in without any fluff?

Off course there isnt a greatest hit. There is 34 volumes , each with more or less 10 episodes , each with 20-25 pages.

The order is 1-34.

No one liked the dreamcast game?
Really good.


The sword design that the main character uses is very bad. It annoys me that it is so influential and many games have awful lumps of metal for the "best" swords in games and think that it is awesome berserk design. Look at real European swords for inspiration. I guess that just for this reason alone I prefer Rurouni Kenshin because the hero has a better sword.

Have you read the manga ? There's a reason he lifts big swords. Also ,

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I liked berserk, but
after a while it just became rape porn to me. Casca just kept losing her clothes and getting fondled by monsters every time she got into a fight, in fact every female character seems to get raped in some way. That really turned me off, and felt like I was reading a deranged hentai.
Does it get better?

It is supposed to be very unconformable. It underlines the bleakness in which all these characters exist , especially in an era where the mortal world has sometimes been intercepted by the astral world , accentuating the fragility of women and children. Strangely (or not) , the most horrific
rape
is in the first few volumes and people don't seem to think its way more fucked up.
 
Yeah Im done with this...this is gross and trashy as fuck...finished up to the end of what I assume is the Golden Arc conclusion
 
Eh, I have never watched the movies/anime but 'trashy' isn't really how I felt about it. I think it was about as tastefully done as it could have been while still being powerful.
 
All it takes is the first Black Swordsman arc to realize it's gross. That first arc also demonstrated that karma doesn't always reward the virtuous in Berserk's world - in fact the grandpa/grand daughter in the caravan, the disfigured man hunting the Count, and the Count's daughter all show it's usually the opposite. These are known.

Is it's use of sexual violence at the eclipse trashy? It's certainly meant to be the series' defining moment of shock. I don't think any of it was framed with the intention to titillate though. Perhaps Miura lingers so long on the graphic sexual violation that it might seem trashy? Then again, just like Guts' is held down and forced to watch, Miura holds us hostage for an uncomfortably long time to understand what defines Gut's rage and twisted nature that carries us through the rest of the series.
 
I just finished the anime, and I feel emotionally drained.

So, was it budgetary constraints that prevented a 26th episode? Could one more have concluded the golden age/eclipse?

It couldn't. The first episode took care of it + there was no skull knight.

It was supposed to be a "cyclic" anime.
 
The 3 movies got met interested in the manga.
Don't watch the tv serie, the qualtiy is inferior to the movies.

I liked berserk, but
after a while it just became rape porn to me. Casca just kept losing her clothes and getting fondled by monsters every time she got into a fight, in fact every female character seems to get raped in some way. That really turned me off, and felt like I was reading a deranged hentai.
Does it get better?

That is just the prologue of serie of 34 volumes.
Berserk really take of after the prologue.
The movies really resume it well, imo.

But if you want something less dark Fantasy (because it's really dark, Witcher level imo).
I suggest you to try an ongoing manga named : MAHOU TSUKAI NO YOME
Me and other Berserk readers like this one because the fantasy is strong in it too.

Mahou-Tsukai-no-Yome.jpg
 
The 3 movies got met interested in the manga.
Don't watch the tv serie, the qualtiy is inferior to the movies.

The quality of the TV series is inferior ? In what way ? I like the serial more in every way: the old school 2d animation, still shots, much better music, longer battle scenes, less porn, much greater character exposition, more in line with manga, black swordsman arc, etc.

The only thing good about the movies is that they brought the old voice actors back.
 
I loved the (original?) anime when I saw it years ago. Never got around to checking the manga. Might be time, finally.
 
I liked berserk, but
after a while it just became rape porn to me. Casca just kept losing her clothes and getting fondled by monsters every time she got into a fight, in fact every female character seems to get raped in some way. That really turned me off, and felt like I was reading a deranged hentai.
Does it get better?
I totally agree with you. That is the main reason I like the Golden Age movies better than the manga for that arc. The movies portray Casca much better with that. First off,
she is far less of a whiner/crybaby. You can tell they took a different take on her character just going by her new JP voice actor. In the old anime she was so cutesy and higher pitched. In the new movies, she is given a far more mature sounding voice. Also, she doesn't lose her clothes nearly as much. Just in one scene where she's threatened with rape, and unlike in the old version where she is stripped and needs rescuing, she saves herself and it's so much more satisfying. It made you feel for Casca and how rough she had it, instead of to be titillating. And the rape during the eclipse had more impact because there wasn't a history of Casca losing her clothes all the time, and I found that scene appropriately horrible, and not fanservice-y. Just like Griffith and the princess, I liked how the movies showed the sex scenes but made them so uncomfortable and creepy. Except for Guts and Casca's. Yeah, for all the flak they get, the movies thankfully took out the unnecessary creepy fetishization of the rape stuff, and for that they are refreshing.
 
One day my grandkid's grandkids will read the end of Berserk to my virtual tombstone on Mars while playing Detox on their iphone 40s
 
I totally agree with you. That is the main reason I like the Golden Age movies better than the manga for that arc. The movies portray Casca much better with that. First off,
she is far less of a whiner/crybaby. You can tell they took a different take on her character just going by her new JP voice actor. In the old anime she was so cutesy and higher pitched. In the new movies, she is given a far more mature sounding voice. Also, she doesn't lose her clothes nearly as much. Just in one scene where she's threatened with rape, and unlike in the old version where she is stripped and needs rescuing, she saves herself and it's so much more satisfying. It made you feel for Casca and how rough she had it, instead of to be titillating. And the rape during the eclipse had more impact because there wasn't a history of Casca losing her clothes all the time, and I found that scene appropriately horrible, and not fanservice-y. Just like Griffith and the princess, I liked how the movies showed the sex scenes but made them so uncomfortable and creepy. Except for Guts and Casca's. Yeah, for all the flak they get, the movies thankfully took out the unnecessary creepy fetishization of the rape stuff, and for that they are refreshing.

Ok, first of all
she is less of a crybaby because most her crybaby scenes are missing, second she loses her clothes only once in both manga and movie (because the second scene is not even in the movie) and actually in the movie her boobs are both hanging out and bouncing around for quite a while which is totally missing in the manga. And third, she saves herself in the manga as well.
 
I liked berserk, but
after a while it just became rape porn to me. Casca just kept losing her clothes and getting fondled by monsters every time she got into a fight, in fact every female character seems to get raped in some way. That really turned me off, and felt like I was reading a deranged hentai.
Does it get better?

That's bugs the shit out of me.

Yes, you're right it does happen but that's the deranged nature of the hell Miura is trying to paint. Very much based on Hellraiser which was inspired by the S&M subculture Barker was involved with during his youth. Notice how even Farnese gets in on self torture and I believe at one point even tries to torture Guts? Very sexual. Very violent. And it makes sense that hell and war would involve these things.

Anyway, my beef when I read this is that rape porn and rape culture get tossed around too easily. You could count instances where this happens on one or maybe two hands and this is a manga that has like 30+ volumes at this point. To call it deranged hentai is a load of crap imo, and quite frankly too easy of a dismissive thing to say.
 
Im not willing to read years of manga, no time or real interest tbh.

Then don't bother.
The manga is really good stuff.
The animated series isn't nearly as interesting.

And i'm not trying to be a snob in that sense, for example i think the AKIRA movie is much better than the manga.


Well this video shows the incredible visual variety, ambition and attention to detail put into the art of Berserk, and it's mostly why i'm against watching the animated series, as an introduction to it.

Miura's black & white art is integral part of the dark medieval fantasy Berserk portrays.
Having the clean colors and shading of the animated cartoon, doesn't do it justice (let alone the 3d abominations in the movies).
 
UGH. the idea that anyone's introduced to Berserk through the movies.. Anime series or manga is the proper way to go. The anime has amazing music.
 
UGH. the idea that anyone's introduced to Berserk through the movies.. Anime series or manga is the proper way to go. The anime has amazing music.

I second this. The Berserk anime is still my absolute favourite. The still shots, the music, the voice acting, everything is stellar !

I watched the anime dozens of times through ever after reading the whole manga series and the movies, I still love it, it is exceedingly well done !


Indeed it is. I have had it in my favourites list for years.

This one is also excellent ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Uvc2-JIFc
 
The anime was always an OK adaptation, flawed but ok, however, the movies being the shittiest shit in the universe made the anime retroactively great.
 
Yeah Im done with this...this is gross and trashy as fuck...finished up to the end of what I assume is the Golden Arc conclusion

I could see how Golden Age's conclusion would scare someone away from Berserk, but it's worth it to stick it out and read the rest of the manga.
 
While it's obvious the Souls series is heavily influenced by Berserk, let's not forget that Berserk as well is heavily influenced by many sources as well. Things like the death wheels and a lot of the torture devices in the series are straight lifted from actual history. Armor design as well. I remember there's a comparison someone had on Skullknight forums that covered this.

There's also many connections with Berserk and various movies as well. Also some characters are homages to other manga characters like Griffith being inspired by Oscar from Rose of Versailles.
 
Ok, first of all
she is less of a crybaby because most her crybaby scenes are missing, second she loses her clothes only once in both manga and movie (because the second scene is not even in the movie) and actually in the movie her boobs are both hanging out and bouncing around for quite a while which is totally missing in the manga. And third, she saves herself in the manga as well.
I'm aware of the cut scenes. But even in the scenes that weren't cut, Casca still came across differently. Less hysterical and PMSy all the time. She still had her moments, but they weren't all the time. The scene where her clothes get torn (I think it was during Wyald) wasn't in the movie. I just felt like she had no reason to get all stripped like that other than for some sex appeal. As for the boob jiggle, I honestly didn't even remember, but I'll take your word for it. But even that wasn't nearly as distracting as the stripped clothes. I mean what is this? The 3rd Birthday?

And as far as I recall, in the manga Judeau and the hawks saved Casca when the man had her pinned. In the movie, she cut the guy down herself, unbound her feet, and reunited with the Hawks on her own. No rescue required. I personally loved that part because I watched the movie first. And I truly expected her to need saving, it's so cliche I was rolling my eyes. So when she saved herself, I was so happy. As a female, it was nice to see her subvert the trope.
 
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