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I don't understand how you're supposed to play Sonic games.
- Thread starter digitalrelic
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No real secret OP.
Sonic is exactly what it looks like.
You can do all that shit, or don't, it really doesn't matter.
Just go forward, slow or fast, it also doesn't matter.
People like it because the minute to minute gameplay is polished and it feels nice to control sonic through the pointless levels. That and Sega had great marketing in the 90's.
If you don't like it now, you probably never will.
Sonic is exactly what it looks like.
You can do all that shit, or don't, it really doesn't matter.
Just go forward, slow or fast, it also doesn't matter.
People like it because the minute to minute gameplay is polished and it feels nice to control sonic through the pointless levels. That and Sega had great marketing in the 90's.
If you don't like it now, you probably never will.
There really isn't much exploration at all though, especially Speed Highway. That stage is unbelievably linear, and I like linear games. Exploration isn't even a big deal to me, but I don't like it when you can hold boost to win, and clearly I don't mean that literally. You have to jump sometimes too lmfao. They're bad and you don't have to do all that much while you play them. Colors is better.
It goes both ways.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Honestly, just play the game. As with every game, you learn and figure out everything by just playing it. Will you be perfect and grasp every little thing on your first attempt? No, of course not. Just...play it.
Sonic is a game where the goal is to beat the level as fast as possible, which is why there are traps, obstacles, enemies, platforming, different paths, etc. It's like you people expect the game to be just "hold right to win" and are disappointed when that isn't the case.
That's the goal. In order to attain that goal the game is built around momentum. You gather momentum by running, spindashing, planning your routes, using the springs to your advantage, so on and so forth.
Nothing about the game is counter intuitive. Calling it counter intuitive is like calling any sort of whatever in your way in any game that you need to do counter intuitive. Games usually have challenges, it's not shocking that a game about maintaining speed has obstacles that get in the way of that.
It's fine to not like Sonic games, it's idiotic to pretend there's inherent flaws to it when it's play style doesn't suit you.
That's the goal. In order to attain that goal the game is built around momentum. You gather momentum by running, spindashing, planning your routes, using the springs to your advantage, so on and so forth.
Nothing about the game is counter intuitive. Calling it counter intuitive is like calling any sort of whatever in your way in any game that you need to do counter intuitive. Games usually have challenges, it's not shocking that a game about maintaining speed has obstacles that get in the way of that.
It's fine to not like Sonic games, it's idiotic to pretend there's inherent flaws to it when it's play style doesn't suit you.
Amen, this thread is hilarious.
Sonic threads have been a target for shit posting since I got on GAF or even before that. A lot of the time they run off topic about the series needing to die and so on, it's just so old hat by now.
It went from Sonic Cycle, all of the 3D games are garbage (most of them are), and now the infamous "the 2d games were never good."
At this point, you can't really give people the benefit of the doubt. Or at least it's just difficult to.
Arc Christelle
Member
Speed Highway is an easier stage, after all it's one of the earlier ones. I don't enjoy attempting to go fast only to come across an obstacle in the main path that requires a power up, especially when the power up breaks my speed.
Colors definitely has platforming, but not for the better, in Generations it works better in a manner that everything you come to you can overcome on your own, and if you're a perfectionist like me, once anything breaks your speed, you hit that restart button.
The game doesn't provide much explanation, I'll agree to that. Could it provide more? It could. But you could just keep playing and learn, that's how I figured it all out. If you don't want to, thats understandable, but that doesn't make it a "bad game" imo.
Arc Christelle
Member
There's a weird mindset from some that any form of "trial and error" isn't good design and feel as the game should either hold your hand or tell you everything without the player bothering to use even the smallest of context.
Would be interesting to see the barrel of doom in this game. Wonder how many newcomers would be able to figure it out.
this was legit bad
I just remembered that the game had a manual lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu9h6jWHzy4
That pretty much explained everything about the rings/power ups/goal/etc.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The Carnival Night barrel is poorly designed in one way: Jumping on it creates downwards momentum, so players assume the solution to getting past it is physics-based. It doesn't help that you can almost clear it by just timing jumps.
The problem wasn't that people were stupid, it's that the game was actively misleading them.
The problem wasn't that people were stupid, it's that the game was actively misleading them.
Arc Christelle
Member
Fixed.
It is much better for me, as I don't need to be going a million miles an hour to have fun. It's fun when you have to try to maintain speed, but when you can hit boost and instantly be at max speed without worrying about anything it's kinda meh, especially since there's the stupid signs warning you about pits as if you can't infer it on your own. It's just lame and boring.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Nah, I'm triggered.
it was easy, but it was also terrible design
Arc Christelle
Member
Why you keep trying to downplay those stages like Cool Edge or Arid Sands wasn't busting anybody's ass? And Unleashed didn't have the pit signs.
It was.
Unknown?
Member
Thought Unleashed and Generations were easy as shit lmao. Didn't know any particular stages were supposed to be hard but ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Colors was also easy but I had more fun playing it and I felt like I was actually doing more rather than watching a stage play out mostly on its own.
TheTylerRob
Member
I can't tell if threads like these are jokes or not. Is this a Nintendo vs Sega fanboy relic? Sonic games are good.
Gormless Noodle
Member
Honestly...
Arc Christelle
Member
Thought Unleashed and Generations were easy as shit lmao. Didn't know any particular stages were supposed to be hard but ¯\_(ツ
Colors was also easy but I had more fun playing it and I felt like I was actually doing more rather than watching a stage play out mostly on its own.
Easy
A stage that doesn't mostly play out on its own.
If you want to go there fam.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Thank you.
Polioliolio
Member
Yikes. You're over thinking it.
Your main goal is to beat the levels.
Like pretty much all classic games coming out of arcade roots, you can go beyond simply winning by getting a higher score and finding secrets.
Do whatever you want. Explore sometimes.. Seek out lives because you're low on them, maybe. See if there's a different route to beating this stage. Maybe there's a powerup behind that wall which will help you.
I don't think this is necessarily you, but your post could be a satirical take on a younger gamer who grew up following quest markers.
The classic Sonic games have a winning formula.
Just play how you want and have fun!
Your main goal is to beat the levels.
Like pretty much all classic games coming out of arcade roots, you can go beyond simply winning by getting a higher score and finding secrets.
Do whatever you want. Explore sometimes.. Seek out lives because you're low on them, maybe. See if there's a different route to beating this stage. Maybe there's a powerup behind that wall which will help you.
I don't think this is necessarily you, but your post could be a satirical take on a younger gamer who grew up following quest markers.
The classic Sonic games have a winning formula.
Just play how you want and have fun!
Captain Europe
Member
God, Unleashed day stages were amazing, really hope the stages in Sonic Forces are like that.
Yeah, the parts where you run on the light are pretty much playing themselves but the 2D sections don't really.
Not sure if the Adabat video is supposed to prove it's hard though, that doesn't really change the fact that I thought Unleashed's difficulty wasn't shit.
Dunno why you keep trying to convince me that Unleashed and Generations are good when they're not
Arc Christelle
Member
I do too, but I'm worried because Park Ave. looks more like Colors, than Unleashed or Gen. I hope the stages maintain depth. Really didn't want to deal with wisps a third time around.
Colors is the weakest of the trilogy.
Nah, it's better than the other 2.
1. You are trying to get as many rings as possible because they give you both lives, and work as your HP.
2. You are supossed to do both. Sonic games have some issues with the speed aspect because you can't see the obstacles ahead, but the stages are meant to be replayed and memorized. In theory you have to master the stages, so you can speed through them (while exploring for the best path to take), and the game is short enough that multiple playthrough are expected. In practice none of this works because the stages rely on careful platforming, making speed a liability.
Funny thing is that Mario games do a much better job with the running and speed part.
3. The TVs are power ups. Are you supposed to get every flower in Mario games? No, but they help. Get them if you can, or don't. Same with enemies, but you do get a bonus for killing them and freeing the animals, so you should try.
Arc Christelle
Member
Colors is the worst of the boost games. Full stop. Its easy as shit and spends most of the game in 2D. It locks away a large amount of sonics move set to specific sections of levels.
Its bad.
Captain Europe
Member
Colous is the Sonic 1 of the boost trilogy.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Someone should remake this video but for the Classic series.
https://youtu.be/pW4TpBCc20Q
It's all I can imagine whenever someone's like "you run into shit, I don't understand what rings are for, why isn't this Mario???"
https://youtu.be/pW4TpBCc20Q
It's all I can imagine whenever someone's like "you run into shit, I don't understand what rings are for, why isn't this Mario???"
Arc Christelle
Member
texhnolyze
Banned
I usually try to explore everything in the stage. But going as fast as I could is fun as well.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
I put Sonic Mania in the hands of my 5 year old daughter today and told her "You move with the stick and push the button to jump." That's it. I didn't even tell her to "move right towards the end".
She loved the game, of course.
She loved the game, of course.
Glass Shark
Banned
My 5 year old daughter loves Sonic too, it's the most challenging thing I've had to deal with as a parent so far.
Terrible post.
OP, you managed to ask the right question, glad some people have the ability to see exactly what you mean.
I can't wait to try the latest game since I never really got the Sonic hype but I do appreciate the level design and the music.
frankie_baby
Member
Its a platform game
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This is particularly well stated.
Sure, get the game and join the OT!
We'll be sure to walk you through on how to play as well.
I just pray, keep going to the right (and sometimes left) with no sense of where the fuck I'm going and tell myself I'm having fun. Sounds like a hot take, but is the actual truth. I'm at Stage 8 and the controls are floaty and imprecise and the levels are incomprehensible clusterfucks of springs and tubes and death traps but I'm kinda having fun?
I think what you actually have to do is play these stages very slowly about a dozen time so you can then play them fast and make it look as fun as in the trailers...but that doesn't really seem like a lot of fun and also kinda seems to go against anything Sonic stands for? I also never actually want to try precise, deliberate jumps because those controls are absolutely not built for that. Man, I dunno. These games are weird.
I think what you actually have to do is play these stages very slowly about a dozen time so you can then play them fast and make it look as fun as in the trailers...but that doesn't really seem like a lot of fun and also kinda seems to go against anything Sonic stands for? I also never actually want to try precise, deliberate jumps because those controls are absolutely not built for that. Man, I dunno. These games are weird.