BronsonLee
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Seeing young Vin Diesel is WEIRD
Edit: Oh, uh, top of the page.
...I'M IN YOUR GAF
Edit: Oh, uh, top of the page.
...I'M IN YOUR GAF
Cause other blockbusters have shit action. Shakycam (to hide the actors not being good at choreography), incomprehensible editing, lacking choreography, tons of CGI which makes you not care about what's going to happen to characters, etc. There isn't as much meticulous attention paid to the setpieces as it is in Fast and Furious movies where each setpiece is like the next daring stunt. Kingsman, John Wick, Edgar Wright movies, The Raid movies are not as big as Fast and Furious, so they don't get as many people screaming that you should watch these action movies as examples of good ones.I understand the general popularity, the past few have been fun, I just don't get the reverence they have among many. I've seen a good deal of people who usually turn their noses up at blockbuster movies that swear by them.
Did you see those Crow's Feet in 7? LMFAO!
Something about them driving a tank down a busy highway and running over innocent people bothers me, and it's something I cringe at every time I see the movie. Even though it's not real and there's not actually anyone getting run over, just empty cars.
The thing about the F&F movies (and here I'm restricting myself to 5,6 and 7) is that they're dumb, but they're not poorly made. When people usually talk about "turning your brain off for movies" they're usually just forgiving poorly made stuff like the Transformers movies. The F&F movies aren't like that for a few reasons:
1. The action is competently made. Is it ridiculous? Yes, absolutely, but it's well presented, well laid out, has clear and obvious stakes, and you can tell what's going on. I thought 7 had problems, but the convoy chase scene is an incredibly well constructed action sequence that's exciting, well shot, well set-up and well paced. We know why characters are doing what they're doing at every given point, we understand the geography and layout of the action, and we're invested in what they're trying to do. Compared to something like Transformers, it's on a different level of filmmaking. It's just too bad the rest of the film doesn't live up to it.
2. These movies aren't cynical in the way so many big action films are these days. They're not dramas or anything, but they take their dumb camaraderie "brotherhood" stuff seriously, and even if it's silly and not particularly well acted, I like that they buy into it. Again, too many big action films just rush to the action sequences and then ignore the consequences and they end up being these slickly produced machines to produce explosions. These movies, for all their faults, actually care about the characters, and are invested in them. Again, I'm not saying the story is great, but there's a reason people are enjoying the end of the seventh film, and it's because as dumb as the whole thing has been, there always seemed to be real friendships at the center of it.
Trying to judge it and figure it out based on the first or second (or third) movie isn't going to get you anywhere. The initial movies were popular enough that they made money and kept the series going, which let the series evolve with each installment. There's a perceptible change in the fourth movie, and then they really seem to figure out what it is with the fifth. That's where it really exploded and transitioned from a "cool cars and car races" kind of small, kind of bad movie series, to legitimately gigantic, incredibly well-realized action spectacle with a large, diverse ensemble that isn't really about car racing anymore but globe-trotting heists and over the top villains and The Rock covered in baby oil. The sixth film takes things even further (maybe a bit too far?)
I want to talk about Roman's frugal ways even after he's a millionaire
Like that scene where he's trying to borrow money for a candy bar
Thanks for that.
Even the fans of the series don't pretend it's anything more than low brow entertainment.
I think you can't understand the current phenomenon until you've seen Fast Five and beyond. They consiously changed the format of the series from mainly street racing to an action heist show (with some racing).I'm kinda the same; I watched the first two and sorta had my fill with the series. I haven't seen another once since.. honestly surprised that there are 7 of them.
1-3 was on a downhill trajectory. 4 was essentially a reboot that injected life into the franchise (and brought people back)
I agree but 4 sucked a little bit then fast five came and really blew people away...Tokyo drift was the worst though I mean DAMN straight up Channel USA quality ....
Even some people defending the glorious F&F franchise, which needs no defense, are dumping on the first movies.
OG The Fast and the Furious now and forever remains the best Fast and Furious movie. Life was simpler, times were harder, grinding just to survive, and all you had was family.
Yeah if you are getting into the franchise I recommend just watching 1 and then skipping to 5-7.Fast 5 is the only one I've seen start-to-finish, and it was a pretty fantastic action movie in its own right. I assume Fast 6 and 7 have followed in those footsteps.
The thing about the F&F movies (and here I'm restricting myself to 5,6 and 7) is that they're dumb, but they're not poorly made. When people usually talk about "turning your brain off for movies" they're usually just forgiving poorly made stuff like the Transformers movies. The F&F movies aren't like that for a few reasons:
1. The action is competently made. Is it ridiculous? Yes, absolutely, but it's well presented, well laid out, has clear and obvious stakes, and you can tell what's going on. I thought 7 had problems, but the convoy chase scene is an incredibly well constructed action sequence that's exciting, well shot, well set-up and well paced. We know why characters are doing what they're doing at every given point, we understand the geography and layout of the action, and we're invested in what they're trying to do. Compared to something like Transformers, it's on a different level of filmmaking. It's just too bad the rest of the film doesn't live up to it.
2. These movies aren't cynical in the way so many big action films are these days. They're not dramas or anything, but they take their dumb camaraderie "brotherhood" stuff seriously, and even if it's silly and not particularly well acted, I like that they buy into it. Again, too many big action films just rush to the action sequences and then ignore the consequences and they end up being these slickly produced machines to produce explosions. These movies, for all their faults, actually care about the characters, and are invested in them. Again, I'm not saying the story is great, but there's a reason people are enjoying the end of the seventh film, and it's because as dumb as the whole thing has been, there always seemed to be real friendships at the center of it.
Even the fans of the series don't pretend it's anything more than low brow entertainment.
Eh not really, so many of the stunts are just covered in CG. The lack of practical elements kills so much of modern day stunts and just how ridiculous so many of the action set pieces can be..... eh. It lacks the realistic oomph of practical stunt work like that of classics like Die Hard and such. Instead with these movies it's just eye rolling over the top
Just watch Fast 5. They made a transition into these crazy over the top heist movies in part 5 that are awesome.
I doubt he has seen any of the movies. Makes generalisations easier.Which fast movies are you talking about? 1-4 had a good bit of CGI, Fast 5 and on had much less in comparison with it's practical effects usage.
The opportunity to experience the Fast and Furious saga for the first time in the form of a week long marathon. One movie a day.
Cause other blockbusters have shit action. Shakycam (to hide the actors not being good at choreography), incomprehensible editing, lacking choreography, tons of CGI which makes you not care about what's going to happen to characters, etc. There isn't as much meticulous attention paid to the setpieces as it is in Fast and Furious movies where each setpiece is like the next daring stunt. Kingsman, John Wick, Edgar Wright movies, The Raid movies are not as big as Fast and Furious, so they don't get as many people screaming that you should watch these action movies as examples of good ones.
Furious 7 does have similar problems in a few spots like the melee fights (except for Ong Bak dude fight) which is why I don't rate it as high, but Fast 5 is the best.
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I went to see the new one and was really bored. Vin Diesel's character must be the dullest protaganist ever, he seemed to be sleepwalking through the movie. This is my third one I've watched, I'm really perplexed as to why these are popular. I'm not annoyed that they're popular, I just don't get it.