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I hope Cross-Gen stays for a while.
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Ploid 3.0
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Next gen console gamers will feel the pain the PC gamers felt due to this gen. Bwahahaha!
Triggerhappytel
Member
The PS4 is the slim version. The engineering is so good they skipped the fat version and jumped straight ahead to the slim!
Took the words right out of my mouth. Devs are excited for next gen, let them focus on it ASAP.
VGChampion
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PS4/Bone need to leave PS3/360 behind to really show off some changes though.
Gamefreaks221
Member
I cannot disagree more with this. As a an individual that will have all of the next gen consoles at launch I would rather not wait to get to the true built from the ground up next gen titles. I want to see what can be done and current gen will just impede that. I love my current gen consoles but its just time to let them go. I have had a 360 since launch and I am ready for new things.
I don't mind cross-gen games, but chances are if your game is coming on multiple platforms including next-gen, I'm going for the PC/next-gen versions if it means better IQ, framerates, features, etc.
There's no way I'm touching games like ACIV, Watch Dogs, and Destiny on current-gen hardware.
There's no way I'm touching games like ACIV, Watch Dogs, and Destiny on current-gen hardware.
JinjoUnchained
Member
Great post OP, I couldn't agree with you more. It's all supply and demand. A lot of people are crying that cross-gen games will hold back next gen games, but I'm afraid we're all stuck with cross-gen games until the mass market starts to adopt the new systems. The mass market determines what gets developed, not the hardcore niche that is dying for next gen. It's unfair, but that's the way it is.
Until next gen systems are priced at a mass market level, their installation bases will be too small to develop for without cross gen ports. AAA game development is just too expensive to undertake without reaching that 100M+ install base of PS3/360. I'd estimate that the mass market price point would be no more than $300; that's why PS3 and 360 are the only home consoles that are currently selling. And don't forget, 360 and PS3 didn't start selling well themselves until they got closer to that $300 price point.
Until next gen systems are priced at a mass market level, their installation bases will be too small to develop for without cross gen ports. AAA game development is just too expensive to undertake without reaching that 100M+ install base of PS3/360. I'd estimate that the mass market price point would be no more than $300; that's why PS3 and 360 are the only home consoles that are currently selling. And don't forget, 360 and PS3 didn't start selling well themselves until they got closer to that $300 price point.
Mr.Wreckless
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That has absolutely nothing to do with the power of the console.
tensuke
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SwiftDeath
Member
Yeah coding to the lowest denominator and all that
The Jason
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You kidding me? Developers make games brown to hide bad textures
MiketheBSG
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There's a reason why there are more cross-gen games this time than ever before.
Diminishing returns. It's going to be very difficult to compelling next gen when the best that can be said so far are partical effects, lighting, more players in multiplayer, 60 fps, 1080p, and detailed crowds in a sports game. Pretty trivial stuff from a gameplay perspective.
Diminishing returns. It's going to be very difficult to compelling next gen when the best that can be said so far are partical effects, lighting, more players in multiplayer, 60 fps, 1080p, and detailed crowds in a sports game. Pretty trivial stuff from a gameplay perspective.
You misunderstand. I completely get that it's smart business. That these consoles have a userbase that will buy games.
I don't care. I'm absolutely selfish. I want what /I/ want because it's better for ME.
I am aware that this not realistically going to happen, and so I am resigned to accept that we'll continue to get games held back by hardware nearly a decade old. But at least there will be some exclusives and first party games to show us what is possible.
Cave Johnson
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I'm sorry no. PC gamers have been bragging about "next-gen" features with their maxed out pc's only to find the gameplay & level-design are still left to current-gen quota. With the next-gen consoles sporting more power than before I want the developers to fully intend to extract every single last power to provide a superior experience...
the likes no current-gen can ever hope to achieve.
the likes no current-gen can ever hope to achieve.
With the PS3 and 360 have ~60 million units sold and in the hands of the public I can see cross-gen titles hangin' around for a long time- longer if the market doesn't immediately consume the newer consoles (I predict they won't make sales that will discourage cross-genning)
Interestingly enough, the WiiU may benefit from such cross-genning as titles that run on the PS3/360 should be an easy port- but we'll see what developers decide to test.
Interestingly enough, the WiiU may benefit from such cross-genning as titles that run on the PS3/360 should be an easy port- but we'll see what developers decide to test.
If it's anything like FFXIV, then I don't really mind. Folks who want to keep playing on old console are free to do so, but people who move to the new one are deserved to have better experience.
I still have a bunch of PS3 games I need to finish, and the future of the PS3 looks as bright as ever (not include the 2006).
I still have a bunch of PS3 games I need to finish, and the future of the PS3 looks as bright as ever (not include the 2006).
First post nails it.
Last gen is getting stale.
Imagine if they still were making games for the ps2/xbox/gc in 2008 (I mean games like bioshock or whatever)
ughhh.
I hope they don't, for two reasons -
1) Let me catch up to ALL the games I've been missing this generation. And there are a ton of them.
2) Let the developers focus on all the new hardware. Let them study it as fast as they can so they'll know better and faster how to utilize it.
1) Let me catch up to ALL the games I've been missing this generation. And there are a ton of them.
2) Let the developers focus on all the new hardware. Let them study it as fast as they can so they'll know better and faster how to utilize it.
I couldn't agree more OP. I'm in no rush for next gen. I know I'm beating a long, rotten corpse of a horse with this but lack of backward compatibility really squashed any immediate interest in non-Wii U next gen consoles so these cross gen games are very much appreciated. Also, I'm not quite ready to be paying for online on PS4 so games like Guilty Gear Xrd being on PS3 still is also very much appreciated.
CambriaRising
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This. We had 7 years of the same hardware op, it's time to move on.
cj_iwakura
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This gen's got life in it yet.
in Japan
EternalTruth
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Exactly, the quicker the transition the healthier the industry will be IMO...
Mr.Wreckless
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So they made textures brown on the PS3 to hide bad textures but they didn't need to make everything brown during the previous gens to hide those bad textures?
The games are brown because a lot of them are war type games and they feel like the brownish grey lends more to a doom and gloom atmosphere.
dead monkey uk
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Cross Gen will be round for a few years I think. I can imagine FIFA, COD etc doing Cross Gen for at least the next two years.
Also Destiny, Dying light and Titanfall have been confirmed as Cross Gen. I have a feeling we are in for some terrible PS360 versions though. How are they going to keep the zombie count in Dying Light without the framerate going through the floor.
Also Destiny, Dying light and Titanfall have been confirmed as Cross Gen. I have a feeling we are in for some terrible PS360 versions though. How are they going to keep the zombie count in Dying Light without the framerate going through the floor.
Unknown One
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I want it to end already. Games peaked in terms of image quality on current gen consoles. The limitations are very apparent after 7-8 years.
deddonpachi
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for me current gen will last atleast one more year after the dark souls 2 release!
Some Nobody
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Damn, got it in one! This is how I feel about crossgen titles.
Got my launch day looking whack as fuck. I'm literally dropping $400 to buy the PS4 and buying NO launch titles because the only thing that's really next-gen are Killzone and Knack and I don't want either, so my first title is going to be inFamous: Second Son.
I dunno guy. The new Killzone is looking colorful as all heck. So's Destiny. Heck, that plus the promised multiple planets/expansive setting is the main reason I'm even LOOKING at Destiny; I hate FPS games.
There may be something to the idea that basically this gen needed all those greys, browns and general earth-tone crap so we wouldn't see how crappy games actually looked.
Fried Food
Banned
that sounds like a horrible future
Developers have little or no say in the matter. Most of them would much rather focus on a smaller number of platforms. Preferably one. Publishers will stop requiring current gen titles when sales figures show that return on investment is better on next gen. Period.
It doesn't matter what the installed base is. It matters whether the bulk of those who jump on new titles make the move. If AC4 and Watch_Dogs sell millions of copies on next gen this holiday, and show weakening sales on current gen? The move will come faster and we won't see big budget holiday titles on 360/PS3 next year. Otherwise it will take a year or two for the transition.
It doesn't matter what the installed base is. It matters whether the bulk of those who jump on new titles make the move. If AC4 and Watch_Dogs sell millions of copies on next gen this holiday, and show weakening sales on current gen? The move will come faster and we won't see big budget holiday titles on 360/PS3 next year. Otherwise it will take a year or two for the transition.