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I just accidentally bought homeopathic medicine

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thefro said:
A lot of this crap they label to look like real over the counter medicine... i.e.

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Interesting note about Zicam and Cold-eeze, which is basically the same stuff.

It's clinically proven to work at reducing the duration and severity of colds.

"What the fuck are you fucking talking about it's god-damned Homeopathy! Of course it doesn't work!"

Here's the thing: It's not Homeopathy.

Look at the ingredients for Zicam and Cold-eeze, probably something like Zinc 1X. It's basically a zinc pill, and zinc in high dozes actually reduces duration and severity of colds, but never ever use it in the nasal spray, zinc can also permanently destroy your sense of smell if taken through the nose.

I think they call it Homeopathy because a) Buzz word! Homeopathy! and b) It's not real medicine so doesn't fall under the FDA's regulations! Suck it!

Edit: It's worth noting that Cold-eeze tastes like shit and will make your mouth feel weird all day. It's awful to eat but so good for the cold.
 
delirium said:
How the fuck is that shit legal? Man, why isn't the FDA doing anything about this?
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You can thanks Orrin Hatch and the DSHEA for that.
Something something, free market solutions, something something.
 
Obsessed said:
Citation needed.
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Wikipedia article for Zicam has some. And yeah, like the man said, it sounds like they are using the "homeopathic" label mostly as a way to deliver a medicinal dose of zinc without having to deal with the FDA.
 
Dave Inc. said:
Interesting note about Zicam and Cold-eeze, which is basically the same stuff.

It's clinically proven to work at reducing the duration and severity of colds.

"What the fuck are you fucking talking about it's god-damned Homeopathy! Of course it doesn't work!"

Here's the thing: It's not Homeopathy.

Look at the ingredients for Zicam and Cold-eeze, probably something like Zinc 1X. It's basically a zinc pill, and zinc in high dozes actually reduces duration and severity of colds, but never ever use it in the nasal spray, zinc can also permanently destroy your sense of smell if taken through the nose.

I think they call it Homeopathy because a) Buzz word! Homeopathy! and b) It's not real medicine so doesn't fall under the FDA's regulations! Suck it!

Edit: It's worth noting that Cold-eeze tastes like shit and will make your mouth feel weird all day. It's awful to eat but so good for the cold.
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Yet another way homeopathic "medicine" can be fraudulent: Including active ingredients!
 
I thought zicam was pulled from the market.

I ate a cold-eeze on an empty stomach, then promptly threw up 15 minutes later (effect of zinc, i was told), so there must be something in it. I liked them because they numbed my mouth.
 
So these are basically the modern day version of snake oil products?

I'm waiting for there to be a miracle elixir while they're at it.
 
Kosmo said:
Is it that Similisan (sp?) stuff?

If so, it does work on my kids - the sulfur in there is what makes it work.
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Homeopathic medicine doesn't work. The Sulfur in it doesn't do anything because there probably isn't any sulfur in it. What works on your kids is Confirmation Bias.
 
Smision said:
I thought zicam was pulled from the market.

I ate a cold-eeze on an empty stomach, then promptly threw up 15 minutes later (effect of zinc, i was told), so there must be something in it. I liked them because they numbed my mouth.
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Sounds like a healthy product.
 
wienke said:
So these are basically the modern day version of snake oil products?

I'm waiting for there to be a miracle elixir while they're at it.
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Bingo. Hundreds of useless varieties, too!
 
wikipedia said:
A popular homeopathic treatment for the flu is a 200C dilution of duck liver, marketed under the name Oscillococcinum. As there are only about 10^80 atoms in the entire observable universe, a dilution of one molecule in the observable universe would be about 40C. Oscillococcinum would thus require 10^320 more universes to simply have one molecule in the final substance.
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How awesome is that!
 
DeathIsTheEnd said:
How awesome is that!
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What the FUCK

God damn that shit is everywhere in France I still remember the fucking jingle and that fucking ad with that fucking dude and his fucking scarf... this is duck liver diluted in 100^200 parts water? The hell?

wikipedia said:
In France the selling of all products manufactured according to the Korsakovian principle of dilution was forbidden until 1992, with the exception of Oscillo, thanks to a special measure made for it. As of 2000 Oscillococcinum was one of the top ten selling drugs in France, was publicised widely in the media, and was being prescribed for both flu and cold. As of 2008 it sells US$15 million per year in the U.S., and it also sells widely in Europe.
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wgjw;huyxskty;lxty My world is shattered
 
Meadows said:
Is eating honey from the local area to stop hayfever homeopathic? Because if it is, then call me a nutter, because it works like a charm.
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May be a little off topic, but this also helped me immensely with allergies.
 
Meadows said:
Is eating honey from the local area to stop hayfever homeopathic? Because if it is, then call me a nutter, because it works like a charm.
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no,
homeopathic would be putting one pollen in a bathtub full of water and have you drink a drop of it
 
I wouldn't advocate OD-ing on it if I were you. Not because I am convinced of the efficacy of homeopathy, but rather because I don't trust them to get their dilutions right. They might have accidentally not shaken it enough and there might actually be more than a few molecules (or none) in there.
 
Meadows said:
Is eating honey from the local area to stop hayfever homeopathic? Because if it is, then call me a nutter, because it works like a charm.
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Going to the local farmers market tomorrow to get some cause I got wrecked by my allergies today. :|
 
Speaking of honey, it can also help with stomach problems and can act as an antiseptic on cuts and scraps, since honey kills bacteria.
 
OttomanScribe said:
I wouldn't advocate OD-ing on it if I were you. Not because I am convinced of the efficacy of homeopathy, but rather because I don't trust them to get their dilutions right. They might have accidentally not shaken it enough and there might actually be more than a few molecules (or none) in there.
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You're assuming they don't just fill up the thing with water and call it a day. It's not like anyone would be able to bust them. Hahahaha.
 
AceBandage said:
Speaking of honey, it can also help with stomach problems and can act as an antiseptic on cuts and scraps, since honey kills bacteria.
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Soap and water works wonders as an antiseptic as well. It has a bonus of not being sticky or attracting bears.
 
JDSN said:
How can people say they dont "Believe in medicine? Geez, thats just stupid.
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Well you see, science is just another kind of religion really, and my Bible/Quran/Book of Herbs written by a hippie in the 60s/institution of faith has the real answers for healing and health.
 
rainking187 said:
Sounds like a healthy product.
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it's not the product that causes the upset stomach, it's the zinc, a necessary mineral. Lots of stuff causes upset stomachs if you don't eat first. Though this was definitely the first (and last) time I yacked so quickly after taking something. I wish I knew this kind of shit in grade school...i was always too afraid to try ipecac.
 
I always wonder why homeopathic medicine supporters don't just drop their medicine in the various oceans of the world and solve all of our health problems.
 
ianp622 said:
I always wonder why homeopathic medicine supporters don't just drop their medicine in the various oceans of the world and solve all of our health problems.
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Oh, but then it would be far too strong. More dilute remedies are more powerful, you see. Plus you need to have your homeopathic meds picked for you by an overpaid guy in a cushy office for maximum effectiveness.
 
Stumpokapow said:
You're assuming they don't just fill up the thing with water and call it a day. It's not like anyone would be able to bust them. Hahahaha.
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don't you know people can die from water! you'd be selling poison! D:
 
Obsessed said:
Citation needed.
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Dave Inc. said:
http://www.coldeeze.com/uploaded_files/pdf/Cold-EEZE E-book.pdf

Results from Clinical studies start about halfway down.

More stuff: http://www.coldeeze.com/about/
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Dave Inc. said:
While I'm sure The Cleveland Clinic is totally cool letting companies drop their name for fraudulent activity, I dug this up for your satisfaction:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8678384

Edit: Again, it's not homeopathic, it's solid medicine labeled as homeopathic to dodge the FDA.
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Another source to sum up prior studies: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/15/for-cold-virus-zinc-may-edge-out-even-chicken-soup/

From my layperson's understanding, it's not necessarily the ingestion of zinc that helps, so this is different than taking a multivitamin with zinc. Essentially, it's about sustained contact of the zinc ions to the upper respiratory area and the ions interfere with the binding of virus receptors to your cells; in other words, reducing the virus's ability to reproduce and propagate. The theory is that if taken early enough in the onset of a cold you can reduce the length of the cold this way. The ions have to be present in the proximity of the virus , which is why it is found in lozenge form and previously (prior to the recall and lawsuit) in intranasal gel; again a "pill" of zinc is going to do jack under the current hypothesis of how it works.
 
ianp622 said:
I always wonder why homeopathic medicine supporters don't just drop their medicine in the various oceans of the world and solve all of our health problems.
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one guy did this, but then a bunch of other guys copied him, causing it to be less potent, which ruined the ocean...forever.
 
I'm curious: in what format does homeopathic medicine come in the US? I see Stump anad others talking about water, but in France for instance it comes in small ball-shaped white pills that you have to let melt under your tongue... Also, it doesn't seem to get nearly the same kind of opposition as in the US, but maybe GAF gives me the wrong impression.
 
Stumpokapow said:
You're assuming they don't just fill up the thing with water and call it a day. It's not like anyone would be able to bust them. Hahahaha.
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How DARE you suggest that the ancient order of homeopaths would do such an outrageous thing :P
 
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