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[darkistheway]

Oh. Thank you very much. It's not what I was going for but I'm flattered by your comments none the less.








never backed away from my assertion that the WiiU isn't next gen and I certainly never said that I 'hadn't heard' of generations before the WiiU. I was however saying that the WiiU is a next generation machine to NO ONE but deluded Nintendo fans who are championing a woefully underpowered machine with a misguided and failed gimmick as it's main concept. Once the PS4 and 720 are released let's see how many people are talking about the WiiU in the same breath as the new offerings from Sony and MS.

I didn't say you backed away from your assertion; you tried to back out of the thread. Now, I don't own a Wii U, I think it is underpowered for the current market and I think it is pretty clear that, unlike Move and Kinect, its control gimmick has not set the world on fire. However, it is next-gen. Our opinion about its power and position in the market doesn't change that; if you think it does you are delusional.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

It does to EA and many others, just not you.

I'm not letting a company that uses it as a buzzword to pump up their games define what a word means. The word generation literally has no mention of power in the definition. The only reason ANYONE uses it that way now is because companies have turned it into a marketing term and people latched onto it.

And again, the Wii was in the same situation and isn't getting the same criticism anymore, so if we start defining "Next-Gen" by things like system power its going to be a constantly moving definition depending on who you're talking to, when you're talking about it, and what the state of the video game industry is at the time.

The only logical way to define it is to use the dictionary definition and mark next gen by
the predecessor to current gen. Any other way is subject to bias and personal opinion and starts stupid fanboy wars. Which was the exact intention of the companies using it as a buzzword, and if you look at this thread is working exactly as intended.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

How did ps360 lose to a last generation console?

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

That's because before this gen no one split hairs this much about graphics. The Wii wasn't even HD in a generation dominated (At least in the games department) by HD consoles. It was also underpowered but no one went around saying the Wii wasn't next gen. And if they did something has shut them up, because you don't see it anymore. Now all the sudden the Wii U continues the pattern started by the Wii and people claim its not a next gen system.

So why was Wii considered a current gen console along with 360/PS3 but the Wii U isn't next gen along with 720/PS4?

Using hardware power as a measure of what's next gen has never made any sense.

You've only been here since 2012, so I'll just say you don't know what you're talking about re: people calling the Wii last gen.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

That aside, one of them is struggling for relevance in the current pie. Beyond the Nintendo core following, it appears to be competing for the the tail end of the current generation market rather than the early adopters of a new generation. There's justifiable doubt it will get continued support in terms of next generation titles. It will most certainly not get comparable support to the other two systems. It's comparable in performance to current generation systems and it's not a leap in technology, as per other generational transitions.

This is essentially what "not next gen" encapsulates in certain usage. And it's why people rail against this usage of the term. Because they think if they can prove that it "is next gen" through semantics, it changes all these underlying connotations.

The tech aspect doesn't matter much.

They'll still be competing with one another for dollars. Just like the Wii vs PS3 or PS2 vs Xbox.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

You've only been here since 2012, so I'll just say you don't know what you're talking about re: people calling the Wii last gen.

I lurked, and even if I didnt this isn't the only video game forum where these issues are discussed. I signed up in 2012 because it was the first time I had a business email, which I needed to sign up. I've lurked GAF since I was a senior in high school in 2007.

 

[AkiraGr]

It isn't vital, but it sure as hell helps. It gives you perspective on what sort of leap a generation usually brings and it gives you perspective on what sort of gains are made during the lifespan of a console. I understand why you're sarcastic and defensive but it ain't gonna change reality. The Wii-U is going to look underpowered next to the PS4 / Durango.

Sarcastic sure. Defensive why should I?

 

[darkistheway]

It will most certainly not get comparable support to the other two systems. It's comparable in performance to current generation systems and it's not a leap in technology, as per other generational transitions.

Are you talking about the Wii or Wii U? /s

 

[shinra-bansho]

The tech aspect doesn't matter much.

They'll still be competing with one another for dollars. Just like the Wii vs PS3 or PS2 vs Xbox.

The traditional tech aspect didn't matter much to the Wii, because it brought in a host of new consumers. It's tech aspect was motion control. The PS2, while eventually outpowered, was a generational leap in technology - providing impetus for transition. The Wii U doesn't provide that impetus, and I doubt it really will in future, and concurrently isn't luring back expanded audience buyers or bringing in any new audience with its touchscreen.

As a generality, I don't personally think the people currently buying the Wii U are early next-generation adopters, the leading end of a new 8th gen adoption curve. I think the reason it's doing so poorly is that it's essentially competing for the late adopter market - the tail end of the 7th gen adoption curve - against the PS3 and 360 and comparing poorly against them.

Conversely, the PS4 and Durango are clearly aiming for new generational adopters and will be selling as a transition/upgrade to the PS3/360.

Are you talking about the Wii or Wii U? /s

Tomato, tomato. The comment applies to both.

 

[SmokyDave]

Sarcastic sure. Defensive why should I?

Fuck knows. That's what single console ownership does to people.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Nope, AMD guy was defending the WiiU as many others have pointed out. Personally I do not consider the WiiU next gen, and companies like EA and Epic also agree.

People should stop being so dense. Its pretty obvious when someone is using next gen in terms of chronology and in terms of technology.

 

[TedNindo]

Seems like the thread tittle is spot on.

 

[shinobi602]

So I have learned from this thread that Wii U is indeed a next gen console?

 

[Deleted member 125677]

nevermind

 

[gngf123]

So I have learned from this thread that Wii U is indeed a next gen console?

According to AMD's Lead Graphics Engineer: Yes.

 

[AkiraGr]

Fuck knows. That's what single console ownership does to people.

Maybe but you assume too much that's not good. Anyway we will see how big this graphical "next gen" leap will be real soon so no need to be so hasty.

 

[Blades64]

I had to see what this was about after that thread title, lol.

 

[flippedb]

This thread! Lol

Wii U is current-gen, PS4 is current-gen. PS3 is last gen, same as 360 and Wii

 

[tkscz]

How is this thread not locked? Anyone who reads the article can see that's not AT ALL what the guy said. In fact it's the opposite, he's defending the WiiU as next gen.

 

[SmokyDave]

Maybe but you assume too much that's not good. Anyway we will see how big this graphical "next gen" leap will be real soon so no need to be so hasty.

It wasn't an assumption

You're right though, we will know really soon. It's nearly that most wonderful time of the year!

How is this thread not locked?

It's like a blow-off valve.

 

[synce]

This just in:

 

[Wynnebeck]

Despite what people may believe or feel, studios and developers are already classifying Durango and PS4 as the "true" next-gen consoles even though Wii U is one as well.

 

[IrishNinja]

good jerb hearse armoire

This just in:

another winner, way2read

 

[Kageshinzo]

Despite what people may believe or feel, studios and developers are already classifying Durango and PS4 as the "true" next-gen consoles even though Wii U is one as well.

But but but they hate Nintendo man. /s

 

[TxdoHawk]

It's like a blow-off valve.

There really should be a general "WiiU/Vita/PS4/Durango non-news console fanboy bullshit" thread, if people are going to continue to insist on posting these dumb topics. I'm sick of twelve-year-olds with no social life lunging for the New Topic button every time they find a new thinly-veiled way to troll their rival fan bases.

 

[dragonbane]

How is this thread not locked? Anyone who reads the article can see that's not AT ALL what the guy said. In fact it's the opposite, he's defending the WiiU as next gen.

That's why the thread title changed

 

[tkscz]

It's like a blow-off valve.

Understandable, and though I haven't read the rules in awhile, I'm pretty sure misleading titles were against them. Not sure if bannable offense though.

That's why the thread title changed

Oh snap, I didn't notice! But the OP is still unedited.

 

[shakin_haitian]

AMD's Lead Graphics Engineer: Wii U is Not a True Next Gen Console

http://o.canada.com/2013/04/10/amds-chief-graphics-architect-really-likes-the-playstation-4/

Learn how to read.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Is there a wii u gamepad stuck in your colon, blocking your shit, so it presents itself in your posts instead?


edit: I'm sandwiched between graphics whores...save me.

edit2: now smoky, you know I didn't say anything about him being wrong in my post.

My god, what?!

 

[Log4Girlz]

Which games exactly? For comparison sake please state some 720 games as well.

Why would he need to. The Wii U is a whopping 45 watts. PS4 and Durango specs leaked ages ago and they blow the Wii U away. BLOW IT AWAY.

 

[rouken]

just because the Wii U doesn't have the technical prowess of the ps4 or the durango doesn't mean it isn't part of next gen. accept the fact that it is part of next gen.

the gaming industry already agreed that the wii is part of the same generation as 360 and ps3 even though it lacks the graphical power and it's just the same situation as now.

when the ps4 and durango releases eventually people will call it current gen and then cycle begins again with people being like this once more.

 

[Kimawolf]

What we have here is a poster trying to cause a ruckus and failing by trying to drive home the same old narrative of "Wii U isn't Next Gen" and hoping people wouldn't read the article. And even with the AMD tech guy saying "umm it is considered next gen to us" the people who made it we still have the same ole group in here saying "but its not next gen! EA Told me so!" Give it a rest, we've seen that song and dance before, it is simply the weakest NEXT GEN console of the three, and no amount of PR nonsense from EA and Epic will change it.

And lets not forget we never had an issue until the last generation with the term "Generation". We only got an issue then because Sony and MS and those guys who made the huge AAA games were getting destroyed by the "weaksauce" Wii, and so they decided, and smartly so to separate themselves from the Wii and it's games. And unfortunately gamers let them do it, and took up the mantra.

Bottom line is Wii competed with PS3 and 360, Wii games competed with 360 and PS3 games and 9 times out of 10 the Wii won that contest. So yes if I was them i'd completely change the narrative too and distance myself from the Wii. It's just a shame that same nonsense is carrying over to this new generation too.

 

[Kurdel]

just because the Wii U doesn't have the technical prowess of the ps4 or the durango doesn't mean it isn't part of next gen. accept the fact that it is part of next gen..

In a year, the other consoles and PC will be so far ahead, that cannot be considered on the same level.

This is just a semantics game. People who claim the Wii U is next gen are just talking chronologically, whereas the rest of us consider the term "next generation" a qualitative statement to define a technical advancement.

It is part of the same console generation as the PS4, but it isn't part of the same technological generation.

Bottom line is Wii competed with PS3 and 360, Wii games competed with 360 and PS3 games and 9 times out of 10 the Wii won that contest. So yes if I was them i'd completely change the narrative too and distance myself from the Wii. It's just a shame that same nonsense is carrying over to this new generation too.

Um, what the fuck are you talking about? Please provide examples, because implying the Wii competed with the 360 and PS3 is wild revisionism. It didn't and from a multiplatform perspective, failed misrably. The success is always with Nintendo first party, which cannot be compared with the competition.

 

[tkscz]

Um, what the fuck are you talking about? Please provide examples, because implying the Wii competed with the 360 and PS3 is wild revisionism. It didn't and from a multiplatform perspective, failed misrably. The success is always with Nintendo first party, which cannot be compared with the competition.

Competition is competition, no matter how you swing it. Nintendo's first party games sold better than Microsoft's or Sony's. The Wii outsold the 360 and PS3. More 3rd party games sold better on Wii than PS3 or 360, regardless of not being the same types of games.

 

[freezamite]

But they'll exist in a world where PS4 / 720 games look much, much, much better.

And that doesn't change the fact that WiiU games will still look much better than PS3/60 games.
Of course, we all know that hardware released in 2013 at 500-600$ will be able to produce better graphics than hardware released in 2012 at 300-350$.

Looking at the known details and still expecting miracles isn't what I would consider common sense.

And which are those "known details"? To me, WiiU it's a 1.5-2 times more powerful hardware with a 5-6 years more modern feature set and a much, much, much more efficient design.
It's because of that that games designed around a completely different hardware architecture perform similarly, and that's why future games designed around WiiU's hardware will have MUCH better graphics than any PS3/60 game.

 

[Zoramon089]

Illiteracy/lack of reading comprehension/the desire to troll strike again...the AMD guy brought up the WiiU on his own. Wasn't that difficult to understand what was said

 

[madmaxx350]

It wasn't an assumption

You're right though, we will know really soon. It's nearly that most wonderful time of the year!


It's like a blow-off valve.

Damn... Busted?

 

[Kimawolf]

In a year, the other consoles and PC will be so far ahead, that cannot be considered on the same level.

This is just a semantics game. People who claim the Wii U is next gen are just talking chronologically, whereas the rest of us consider the term "next generation" a qualitative statement to define a technical advancement.

It is part of the same console generation as the PS4, but it isn't part of the same technological generation.



Um, what the fuck are you talking about? Please provide examples, because implying the Wii competed with the 360 and PS3 is wild revisionism. It didn't and from a multiplatform perspective, failed misrably. The success is always with Nintendo first party, which cannot be compared with the competition.

Dude look at the highest selling games of the generation, most were on the Wii, rather YOU personally like those games or not is of no consequence, but fact is they were and those games competed with PS3 and 360 games for sales, how could they not? there aren't TWO industries, one for Nintendo and one for everyone else. That's stupid. And check any NPD or Media create thread from 06 to 2010 and you'll see it was almost always Wii games selling boatloads behind the NDS. It's not revisionist history, its freaking taking the entire industry as a whole, not trying to "seperate" things out to make one group look better.

And FYI 3rd party sales on Wii were not nearly as "disastrous" as you seem to think, go take a look at the real numbers dude. That whole "3rd party didn't sell on Wii" is a old bullshit fallacy used by fanboys to try to discredit the low tech solution Nintendo had.

 

[Kurdel]

Competition is competition, no matter how you swing it. Nintendo's first party games sold better than Microsoft's or Sony's. The Wii outsold the 360 and PS3. More 3rd party games sold better on Wii than PS3 or 360, regardless of not being the same types of games.

Most people had a Wii and a 360 or PS3. It was a complimentary console.

If someone only had a Wii, they were really handicapped and missed out on all the great experiences the HD consoles brought (Assasin's Creed, GTA, RDR, DLC, HD grapchics). I don't care if Carnival games sold 7 times more than Bioshock, because is irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[Metalmurphy]

How did ps360 lose to a last generation console?

Gamers didn't lose.

 

[Übermatik]

Dude you suck. Classic Horse Armour.

 

[hayguyz]

This thread! Lol

Wii U is current-gen, PS4 is current-gen. PS3 is last gen, same as 360 and Wii

are you serious?

Nintendo finally joined the current gen with the Wii U.

PS4 and Durango are next gen.

 

[KojiKnight]

Question 1: Is the 3DS a (now) current gen handheld? Or is it an older gen because it falls behind all other portables (cell phones, tablets, Vita, etc)?

Question 2: If my daughter isn't an improvement on me and my wife, can I call her last gen as well?

 

[Kimawolf]

Most people had a Wii and a 360 or PS3. It was a complimentary console.

If someone only had a Wii, they were really handicapped and missed out on all the great experiences the HD consoles brought (Assasin's Creed, GTA, RDR, DLC, HD grapchics). I don't care if Carnival games sold 7 times more than Bioshock, because is irrelevant to this discussion.

LOL it is not irrelevant, what you're doing is trying to set up a very specific circumstance to claim the Wii "lost" whatever that means, the last generation. Guess what a video game is a video game. Just because you don't like Just Dance or Carnival Games doesn't mean jack in the discussion of the Wii was competing with the 360 or PS3. It did and your M rated GAME is still a GAME, no different than the T rated or E rated games, sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[DrWong]

Ah ah! People like "stupid threads".

 

[gngf123]

Question 2: If my daughter isn't an improvement on me and my wife, can I call her last gen as well?

ahaha.

Question 1: Is the 3DS a (now) current gen handheld? Or is it an older gen because it falls behind all other portables (cell phones, tablets, Vita, etc)?

According to a friend of mine, handhelds don't count because handheld generations are impossible to define.

Yeah... I don't really understand it either.

 

[Neuromancer]

It wasn't an assumption

Boom

 

[LonelyGreyWolf]

Seriously, Duckroll should have closed the thread instead of changing the thread title.

 

[opticalmace]

What was the old title?

 

[SmokedMeat]

I'm thinking that the Wii U is actually a generation ahead of the PS4/720 because of Virtual Boy, which most certainly wasn't a portable system.

So really the Wii U is next next generation while PS4 and 720 are just next gen.