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I think I know why Nintendo is being so vague about the Wii U...
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These demo's were honestly not that 'rough' from a gameplay point of view they worked quite well. Also notice the wording in pretty much every communication and interview.Dedication Through Light said:
For example:
Nintendo is 'not yet' showing full games in production but they do have those in production, Miyamoto's 'other side' confirmed that while his 'corporate side' wanted to keep Pikmin 3 Wii U under wraps. Nintendo's problem right now is that they want to focus on 3DS and Wii for this holiday season. They don't want to nuke the Wii just yet but as soon as the holiday season is over or perhaps even after black friday we'll see that Wii U hype train running in overdrive and at Spaceworld or Nintendo World or whatever they suddenly have nearly finished titles. If Ubisoft worked on that Killer Freaks thing for 'months' than Nintendo has obviously been working on games for a while now.
Dedication Through Light said:
If Nintendo releases in the Summer the launch will not be as good. I just feel they NEED to launch with that Mario game if they don't want to repeat their 3DS mistake. I am just thinking Fall as a worst case scenario. Man you have no idea how much I want a Spring/Summer launch. The reason I said those games might come out during the launch window in the Fall is because by that time those games would be old. If its a late Spring/Summer those games would be spread out. I'm just going by all their interviews, it just sounds like they are just now starting to work on the games. I mean Anoma said they haven't decided if they are going to make a Zelda game on the WiiU I mean wtf is that about. Is that just their way of making sure not to take attention of of Zelda:SS?
Nin_Fan said:
Unfortunately, it's a matter of secrecy vs. openness with leaks. THQ started porting Darksiders 2 five weeks ago. It's reasonable to believe that other developers started getting devkits around the same time. When did the rumor leaks come up, again?
If third-parties could keep their collective mouths shut, Nintendo would probably be a lot more open with them. :lol For Nintendo, secrecy at this early stage is more important than risking leaks by being open with third-parties. *shrugs*
You are soooo right that was my mistake.udivision said:
I usually just read GAF never really post much. I should have known better. Oh well I was just trying to see if anyone else would see my point without tearing me to pieces lol. Its just an alternate theory to the idea that its going to be a graphical beast. I guess I shouldn't have expected as much. I am just trying to readjust my overly high expectations going into E3. That's what I get for reading that 4chan thread. I got my hopes that we were going to see some BF3 type graphics.donny2112 said:
You are right imagine how much better this show would have gone if we knew nothing about the system. These damn leaks had all our minds hoping and dreaming to see some amazing Gamecube type reel like they did back in 2000.
Why do you think people like Capcom or Konami show up in the developer reel?
jcm said:
Exactly, I was extremely let down by what little 3rd party stuff they showed for the 3DS. I mean yeah those original 1st party games are awesome but I wanted to see some of the fruit that was supposed to come from all these 3rd parties being on board. I just hope they haven't jump ship just because the sales went down after launch. I was hoping for a Zelda bundle seeing as I have to re-buy this system.
Ridleyscott
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At the original post...
Wii stopped selling because Nintendo abandoned it. Skyward Sword won't push hardware and probably won't sell much software - maybe 4 million but that is nothing compared to the "system-mover" software like Wiisports, NSMB, MarioKart, etc. the game just isn't desirable to anyone but the most fan-boyish Zelda crowd. I'm staying away from this iteration.
WiiU - what is going on right now is that Nintendo doesn't know if people are going to buy this thing and neither do most developers. so I think everyone is in limbo between dumping the platform and committing.
Nintendo probably isn't releasing details on specs because it doesn't want to give MS and SONY a target. If Nintendo says WiiU is 10 times better than PS360, they will know have a better idea of how much they need to spec the new systems out. Still a year before this thing releases.
Pikmin is an extremely poor use of resources... Filling a Mario game with Miis is a stupid decision. All the resources going into Pikmin, Zelda WiiU, Smash Bros. Wii U, etc. should be diverted to making the best NSMB WiiU possible, filled with new ideas rather than recycled Jungle-world, ice-world, cave-world, desert-world, etc. That will move systems - along with a WiiU sports title. You've got a potential with those two games alone for anywhere between 20-50 million install base. Then focus on the other big-hitters, Mario Kart, etc. then maybe a Smash game, last thing is Pikmin - that game was nice but didn't sell systems, i.e., it was a failure from a business perspective. Nintendo seems to have lost its marbles, are they seriously wasting resources on Luigi's Mansion 3DS? LOL Stupid!
If install-base is there And graphic potential is there, 3rd parties won't think twice.
Nintendo gave very little to assure everyone that this is going to sell. They should have been ready... started-off reviewing the sales of WiiSports and NSMB Wii and how it rocketed system sales late in the game for Wii. Then introduce the new console and guarantee those two games for launch - that would have sold everyone on the system. The problem is that Nintendo doesn't really want to make a top-notch NSMB, that is why they are trying to can it full of Miis...Did you notice that during the concept video, when that dude comes in to watch baseball, he kicks NSMB Mii off the TV? that is a bad message... the games should be so fun that they don't get kicked-off the TV - everyone should be trying to join in the fun.
Wii stopped selling because Nintendo abandoned it. Skyward Sword won't push hardware and probably won't sell much software - maybe 4 million but that is nothing compared to the "system-mover" software like Wiisports, NSMB, MarioKart, etc. the game just isn't desirable to anyone but the most fan-boyish Zelda crowd. I'm staying away from this iteration.
WiiU - what is going on right now is that Nintendo doesn't know if people are going to buy this thing and neither do most developers. so I think everyone is in limbo between dumping the platform and committing.
Nintendo probably isn't releasing details on specs because it doesn't want to give MS and SONY a target. If Nintendo says WiiU is 10 times better than PS360, they will know have a better idea of how much they need to spec the new systems out. Still a year before this thing releases.
Pikmin is an extremely poor use of resources... Filling a Mario game with Miis is a stupid decision. All the resources going into Pikmin, Zelda WiiU, Smash Bros. Wii U, etc. should be diverted to making the best NSMB WiiU possible, filled with new ideas rather than recycled Jungle-world, ice-world, cave-world, desert-world, etc. That will move systems - along with a WiiU sports title. You've got a potential with those two games alone for anywhere between 20-50 million install base. Then focus on the other big-hitters, Mario Kart, etc. then maybe a Smash game, last thing is Pikmin - that game was nice but didn't sell systems, i.e., it was a failure from a business perspective. Nintendo seems to have lost its marbles, are they seriously wasting resources on Luigi's Mansion 3DS? LOL Stupid!
If install-base is there And graphic potential is there, 3rd parties won't think twice.
Nintendo gave very little to assure everyone that this is going to sell. They should have been ready... started-off reviewing the sales of WiiSports and NSMB Wii and how it rocketed system sales late in the game for Wii. Then introduce the new console and guarantee those two games for launch - that would have sold everyone on the system. The problem is that Nintendo doesn't really want to make a top-notch NSMB, that is why they are trying to can it full of Miis...Did you notice that during the concept video, when that dude comes in to watch baseball, he kicks NSMB Mii off the TV? that is a bad message... the games should be so fun that they don't get kicked-off the TV - everyone should be trying to join in the fun.
I think some of what the OP says is quite valid, Console is most certainly in Prototype form, They showed Wii games and Tech demos(zelda).
Nintendo are likely still finalising what games to push into development for the platform, it all seems very early and it is. The Console is 12 months off.
Nintendo are likely still finalising what games to push into development for the platform, it all seems very early and it is. The Console is 12 months off.
Ridleyscott said:
I think you are right about NSMB and WiiU sports that would have sold it. I think they should have also gave some more examples of what the systems what capable of. I mean why did they show an early version of that bird demo and not even showing off the more impressive parts. I think that NSMB Mii game was orginally slated for the Wii and just like Pikmin it got more over so that could have software to sell at launch. I don't think it was meant to be a system seller I just think that might be all they have ready at this point.
DSN2K said:
Thank you! I don't understand where all the hate I am getting is coming from. I am just posing a possible theory.
I have a question for you. If this system is as powerful as the rumors suggested they seem to refuse to let developers show it off. It should be a breeze to port over some high end PS360 games and give some flare. I mean they did it with the 3DS and Capcom did it with the Vita.
CoffeeJanitor
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No. This is the same as NES>SNES, GB>GBA, DS>3DS.David H Wong said:
The name retention has happened on all of Nintendo's successful consoles.
Nin_Fan said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=433257
They might've had the system before that, but they ported it in five weeks, so they had it for at least that long.
Nin_Fan said:
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not. I like these kinds of leaks, since it gives us more details than Nintendo will. If all we had was their press sheet and the E3 demo, I'd have a whole lot more skepticism of how much of a step forward it would be. Us forum-types thrive on having more info.
Nin_Fan said:
Nintendo hadn't talked to them about it, yet? Don't know. Apparently Activision wasn't there, either, but they're still going to support Wii U.
RE5: Gold port for Wiimote might be something worth going for from Capcom, for example. Preorder bonus for RE6 Wii U? :lol
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CoffeeJanitor said:
Hadn't noticed that before. :lol
NSMB Mii is a demo.Ridleyscott said:
Zoramon089
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Ridleyscott said:
I'm going to laugh because I'm almost sure that you're dead wrong
jim-jam bongs
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They're being vague because they know that the specs dreamed up by the internet will far surpass anything they could actually release.
DefectiveReject
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Why can no one talk about graphics.
The guys behind Batman vaguely admitted the Wii U version will be definitive by his nin committal smile and partial nodding.
Have Nintendo threatened everyone into not admitting the consoles power so MS and Sony don't think they are under threat and rush their consoles out?
The guys behind Batman vaguely admitted the Wii U version will be definitive by his nin committal smile and partial nodding.
Have Nintendo threatened everyone into not admitting the consoles power so MS and Sony don't think they are under threat and rush their consoles out?
Grampa Simpson
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I actually think that Nintendo would be happy with a nice 3 way ecosystem for the next several years. As part of their strategy, they're trying to get rid of the core/casual distinction, and having MS and Sony jump the gun on another generation breaks that strategy.DefectiveReject said:
My personal take on the future is that Sony/MS will be the 150W guys, and Nintendo will be the 90W guys. I don't know if Nintendo will try and be early each generation from now on or launch at the same time each generation, but I think they'd rather be slightly underpowered than late.
Grampa Simpson said:
No it wouldn't MS and Sony jumping in to next gen would screw over the fact they are starting to profit now. If they screw up their next systems just as bad they will be out a lot of money and consumer mindshare. Their loyal bases can keep them going but the casuals who have been running around system to system since genesis won't care.
Zoramon089
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Grampa Simpson said:
This makes no sense. You're essentially claiming Nintendo is going to repeat the exact same mistake they made with the Wii. They're not going to have a significantly weaker console again. It makes no sense. Sony and MS will more than likely release consoles in 2013.
- Reggie: "No Wii succesor until X units sold"
- Iwata: The Wii hasn't in decline like DS, we feel that Wii still has a potential market to sell.
It was said late 2010, it makes me wonder that Nintendo wasn't really prepared to drop the Wii just yet, in fact it could be completely feasible that Pikmin 3 switch platform happen only during late 2010, same as Fatal Frame 2 remake. I really like the console and controller desing, but the logo/concept feels totally rushed.
AceBandage
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TunaLover said:
I don't think the concept is rushed at all.
Rather, the showing of it was rushed. They showed it off with Wii games, basically. They obviously didn't think they'd be showing it this completely at E3.
Slurpy2k20
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Nin_Fan said:My theory about this system is that Nintendo is in the early stages of development. I don't think they themselves know alot about it. I think they planned the Wii to last at least a year longer than what is. I bet that once the 3rd parties abandoned the system and the sales dropped they went into overdrive to rush the system out. I think that Reggie may have been right when he said that system would come out once they hit over 40 million system sales in NA.
I think this really is a Wii HD with an extra feature to set it apart for the HD twins. I don't believe it is really meant to compete with PS4/Xbox 720. I think is a system they are bringing out to help attract 3rd parties back to the system. I think they are still putting this system together as we speak. I think they have a vague idea of the specs but it is not set yet. I think this is why are not releasing some of the specs they normally do. I know that they after the NGC they stopped the tech war but with the Wii at by this time during the Wii introduction we knew about the 512MB in the system and the its WiFi. They don't even know if it is going to have an ethernet port in it yet. My guess is they probably started final stages of development in January or about the time that EA and THQ started hinting about it.
This is why Nintendo and 3rd parties have not shown any "real games" on it and why they had to show PS3 versions of the games. I bet that New SMB Wii was supposed to be a Wii title and had to be rushed over the Wii U to give it some software. I think this is why Ubisoft has not really commented on the power of the system compared to the other two because they are not sure what is going to be in the final hardware. They must have given their partners an early dev kit with the IBM 3 core chip and the ATI R700 as a guide of what the system might be and have since upgraded to the better Power chip from IBM, maybe this is why they don't match the rumored specs from before. I mean how could IGN be right about so much of the system and get that part wrong.
I believe launch will look this:
Wii U with new controller, 8GB flash inside, 25GB disc drive, Wireless B/G, composite cables, Wii U sports, sensor bar
$300-350 Nov 2012
Launch window games:
New SMB Mii
Wii U play with Wii plus controller
Pikmin 3
Darksiders 2 Wii U edition
Ubisoft garbage
Tekken
Lego city dump
Batman AC:SE
EA sports
Dirt
COD black Ops 2
Aliens game
Some Sonic game
Super Capcom X Tekken
I think if bring our expectations down we be ok.In my heart I'm thinking this is just a Wii HD to get some of the lost current gen 3rd party support back. But I am a bit worried that Capcom and Konami were not in that developer video. Why do you think that is? Were they in the Wii developer video when it was first introduced?
Ok GAF there is my theory. My body is ready to be ripped to shreads for my ideas. lol
Your entire thesis can be simply phrased as 'because the damn system is launching more than a year from now'. Obviously theres a shitload of work to do still.
Slurpy2k20
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GoldenEye 007 said:
Like Apple, they realize that 99% of human beings, excluding message board drones, couldn't really give a shit about 'specs' as long as the experience is solid. People always bitch about Apple's lack of specificity in the specs of their iOS products (ie. RAM, etc), and we can see how negatively this has affected Apple, right? It doesn't even fucking matter, as long as hardware is good enough to accomplish the user experience goals.
AceBandage said:
Wii U, has bad sounding, there to many vocals, its like saying OUII U, the boxed U feelt disconnected with the Wii logo, also it has the problem that it falls in the same category has other branding like "WiiWare", WiiMusic", WiiSports", "WiiPlay" etc. It doesn't evoke a new system. Heck you even say that the Wii name is tainted due to shovelware, it should be better a totally new name.
And I completely agree with you about E3, they should be showed it under the codename, not with the final name, chances are they feel pressure because the leaks, sadly they are now stucked with the Wii U name forever.
What was clear is that they don't know what they're doing in terms of utilizing the new controller ... not that they have no idea what the HW is.enzo_gt said:
That's actually a bit of a concern of mine. Previously, Nintendo controllers (if not systems) were designed around what Miyamoto wanted to do for a particular game(s). In that interview segment from E3 though, he stated how he's interested to see what people will do with it and how they don't even really know what they'll do with it. I mean, obviously they have some ideas, but this sounds quite backwards versus how they have historically created architectures. And I don't really like it (though I do think there's plenty of cool stuff that will fall out of it).
AceBandage
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I do believe this is a system designed more for third parties than it is for Nintendo strictly. Which is counter to all their previous systems.
So, yeah, it'll be a learning process for Nintendo to utilize it well, but I think they can do it.
So, yeah, it'll be a learning process for Nintendo to utilize it well, but I think they can do it.
Grampa Simpson
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Since when does slightly mean significantly?Zoramon089 said: