YuriLowell
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TheChillyAcademic said:
I need to play CT, its a hole in my catalog.
How is Tactics A2 compared to Tactics Advance?
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I need to play CT, its a hole in my catalog.
How is Tactics A2 compared to Tactics Advance?
TheChillyAcademic
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Chipopo said:
Bring it -.-
TheChillyAcademic
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YuriLowell said:
Well FFT:WOTL blows both of them out of the water, but in comparing to the original Tactics Advance, A2 brings some interesting changes to the system. That being said, the story is a tad...well, childish.
Still fun!
I forgot to add:
Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings
On the points above: if a game has a title I can't even pronounce, much less actually understand, that is just a red flag right there that the developer has made little to no effort to appeal to me and my culture. I don't care if you're a big-shot Japanese developer or how many millions you've sold in Asia or whatever that doesn't mean I'm gonna buy a shoddy localization of your game just because you're hot shit somewhere else -- in fact, I'll do the exact opposite -- I won't buy it. Maybe that will encourage other developers to do it right next time.
Shoddy localization imo is one of the big reasons why games like TWEWY and Suikoden have bombed. Take TWEWY -- yeah, OK they actually did bother to translate the title (although it still tells you absolutely nothing about the game) but when I started playing that I realized right away that it was another rush-job localization. Forget the dumb-ass characters that are completely unrealistic, what about the city and the area where the game is set? Why couldn't it just have been in New York? A: They didn't want to bother to spend five bucks recreating Times Square. And yet I'm supposed to pay $40 for the game because it was "huge in Japan." Or because the Japanophiles on GAF love it (precisely for the reasons I -- and obviously most consumers here -- hate it)?
The JRPG love on GAF is just insane and inexplicable sometimes.
Shoddy localization imo is one of the big reasons why games like TWEWY and Suikoden have bombed. Take TWEWY -- yeah, OK they actually did bother to translate the title (although it still tells you absolutely nothing about the game) but when I started playing that I realized right away that it was another rush-job localization. Forget the dumb-ass characters that are completely unrealistic, what about the city and the area where the game is set? Why couldn't it just have been in New York? A: They didn't want to bother to spend five bucks recreating Times Square. And yet I'm supposed to pay $40 for the game because it was "huge in Japan." Or because the Japanophiles on GAF love it (precisely for the reasons I -- and obviously most consumers here -- hate it)?
The JRPG love on GAF is just insane and inexplicable sometimes.
straydog1980
Banned
I just now (read: the last two years) have gotten to the point where I don't blindly purchase any rpg with a decent review score. I still believe I am a pretty hard core RPG freak, but I fall more in the category of buy it, love it, leave it for something else before I'm done.
It's VERY rare anymore for an rpg to really "hook" me. Most recently it's been Persona 4, I think I have around 95 hours in that right now which is a LOT for me. I work full time, I have a gf, so I don't get to really game but one or two days a week. So, 95 hours from me represents a huge commitment to a game.
Before Persona 4 it was DDS1 and 2. Before that, DQVIII. I don't think I'll need to order or purchase any more RPG's for quite some time as I still have SMT: Nocturne, Devil Summoner 1 and 2 to get through before I even THINK about buying something new. :lol
It's VERY rare anymore for an rpg to really "hook" me. Most recently it's been Persona 4, I think I have around 95 hours in that right now which is a LOT for me. I work full time, I have a gf, so I don't get to really game but one or two days a week. So, 95 hours from me represents a huge commitment to a game.
Before Persona 4 it was DDS1 and 2. Before that, DQVIII. I don't think I'll need to order or purchase any more RPG's for quite some time as I still have SMT: Nocturne, Devil Summoner 1 and 2 to get through before I even THINK about buying something new. :lol
YuriLowell
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AstroLad said:
Reading things like this make me think of what Atlus did to Mark in Persona 1.
Urban Scholar
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TheChillyAcademic said:
Really? Was is it the gameplay on dual screens?
Musashi Wins!
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TheChillyAcademic said:I'm afraid that title belongs to Atlus Shrugged, but War and Peace does an amiable job
Did you call someone a philistine?
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AstroLad said:
This is factually wrong. The title is the message of the goddamned game, and I think it works better than It's a Wonderful World.
AstroLad said:
I just don't know what to say to this. I'm baffled.
TheChillyAcademic
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Musashi Wins! said:
I'm certifiable, nothing new.
Urban Scholar said:
I think it had more to do with the fact that I simply wasn't interested in the characters or plot. The dual screen mechanic was actually very satisfying and the badge system was refreshing. I can deal with confused, emo main characters, nothing too rough there. But there was something about the way the game presented it's protagonist that felt off to me.
AstroLad said:
This is a joke right?
Flying_Phoenix
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Error said:
That and the fact that they well don't play JRPG's.
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TheChillyAcademic said:
This coming from you shocks me.
With a lot of non-portable, non-Tales RPGs lately, I tend to lose interest just from playing demos or watching trailers--with Arc Rise Fantasia being the most recent victim of that, though I may still buy out of residual good will for the Symphonia people who are with it. If the game doesn't scream "buy me" right away, then I'm not buying, and so I never end up feeling like I'm wasting my time or money in the middle of playing. Sorry you do, 2DMention. :/
Of course, maybe I miss lots of good things because of my cautiousness, frugality, stupidity, or whatever one might want to call it. I don't know. But I do know that in the last twelve months I've been playing Etrian Odyssey II, TWEWY, Fire Emblem, Guadia Quest in Retro Game Challenge, Dragon Quest IV, Dragon Quest V, Chrono Trigger, Ogre Battle, Super Mario RPG, Secret of Mana, Star Ocean: Second Evolution, Pokemon Platinum, Tales of Symphonia: DotNW, and Tales of Vesperia.
And I also know that the only thing I can say after playing all those games is that I've never felt less burnt out on RPGs as a whole. Even on the horizon there are 7th Dragon (hopefully), Dragon Quest IX, Shining Force Feather, Mario & Luigi 3, and Tales of the Disco Swordsman--among others? Sign me up. In the most literal sense, all the best aspects of the past and present of RPGs have been combining to remind me of everything I ever loved about the genre and ever will. Try looking into some older RPGs, and maybe the elements that separate them from newer ones will remind you too.
Of course, maybe I miss lots of good things because of my cautiousness, frugality, stupidity, or whatever one might want to call it. I don't know. But I do know that in the last twelve months I've been playing Etrian Odyssey II, TWEWY, Fire Emblem, Guadia Quest in Retro Game Challenge, Dragon Quest IV, Dragon Quest V, Chrono Trigger, Ogre Battle, Super Mario RPG, Secret of Mana, Star Ocean: Second Evolution, Pokemon Platinum, Tales of Symphonia: DotNW, and Tales of Vesperia.
And I also know that the only thing I can say after playing all those games is that I've never felt less burnt out on RPGs as a whole. Even on the horizon there are 7th Dragon (hopefully), Dragon Quest IX, Shining Force Feather, Mario & Luigi 3, and Tales of the Disco Swordsman--among others? Sign me up. In the most literal sense, all the best aspects of the past and present of RPGs have been combining to remind me of everything I ever loved about the genre and ever will. Try looking into some older RPGs, and maybe the elements that separate them from newer ones will remind you too.
TheChillyAcademic
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Regulus Tera said:
Plot and Narrative, Plot and Narrative.
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TheChillyAcademic said:
TheChillyAcademic
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Regulus Tera said:
Leave the beauty and splendor that is Kingdom Hearts out of this -.-
fortified_concept
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Each console generation becomes worse as far as JRPGs are concerned. 16 bit era was heaven, PS1 era was great, PS2 was very mediocre and this generation abso-fucking-lutely sucks.
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TheChillyAcademic said:
You and Astrolad bork my brain.
YuriLowell
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fortified_concept said:
I dont think the RPGs have changed since the 16bit era, and thats why you are mostly dissatisfied with them.
Even then they are much better then WRPGs.
Eh. I personally thought that the PS2 generation was among the best in terms of what RPGs had to offer, with games like the MegaTen games, Xenosaga Ep 3, Shadow Hearts Covenant, Suikoden III, etc. They might not be able to top the nostalgia-ridden heights of the other generations (Chrono Trigger and FFVI especially), but I would not go as far as to proclaim a downward spiral on the jRPG genre.
With that said, this generation admittedly is lacking in both quality and quantity. Sure, I appreciated games like Vesperia and TWEWY, and I genuinely had fun with SO4 despite it's glaring flaws, but could I say that this generation will be memorable years on down the line? That's another question. With that said, with the magic of the PSP, might as well clear the backlog of RPGs I never had the chance to play (Suikoden I, II, Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together, Mother 3, any others?)
With that said, this generation admittedly is lacking in both quality and quantity. Sure, I appreciated games like Vesperia and TWEWY, and I genuinely had fun with SO4 despite it's glaring flaws, but could I say that this generation will be memorable years on down the line? That's another question. With that said, with the magic of the PSP, might as well clear the backlog of RPGs I never had the chance to play (Suikoden I, II, Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together, Mother 3, any others?)
Red Scarlet
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HK-47 said:
I have Ultima Collection, but I don't know how to play 7 or 8. I get some "you have the wrong kind of mouse" error or something. I played 7 a little bit, but it was on a slow computer so I don't think I got out of Trinsic. I *DO* remember the main character getting angry at cows and yelling "damn thee!!" while slashing them.
Error said:red scarlet <3 . she just plays games period. No bullshit, no wasting her time on a forum complaining about shit "hur hur I'm burnt out on RPGs" nope.
Still, never I thought she was going to enjoy the Persona games so much. At least, she can trust my recommendations... right?
No, because even after promising, you didn't beat Ultima 4 in the year and a half you said you would do so.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
SE totally needs to make an Atlas Shrugged RPG -_- . You get Experience Points from milking the lifeforce of the "common man" whilst you build up your secret island a la Suikoden.
Cheebs said:
Lol, with some exceptions (star ocean), this is really a stupid and pointless comparison. Comparing game series to game series is the only metric you can have to measure brand equity-- and, within a single series, Tales is up. That's really the only comparison we have aside from Star Ocean.
"Collapse of the genre" implies there were once hundreds of million-selling JRPGs. It's just not true. There are fewer overall.
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I agree with Jiggy. I don't feel burned out on RPGs in the slightest either, and I've played all of the RPGs he listed in the last year, along with Star Ocean: Second Evolution, Star Ocean: The Last Hope, Mother 3, Phantasy Star IV, Shining Force II, Final Fantasy IV DS, Persona 4, and probably even a few more that I forgot to mention. I think the trick is that I only pick up RPGs I more or less know I'm going to like and I'm not afraid to stop playing an RPG I turned out not to like in the middle. If I was forcing myself through games I wasn't having fun with, I'd probably be burned out too.
My RPG "burnout" level is directly proportional to how busy I am. The last RPG I played was FF4 DS and never finished it. Before that, it was FF12 and never finished that either. I'm beginning to think that the day will never come where I have enough time to finish a good RPG... hell, I'm finding it hard to find the time to even start one. 
I think my best bet is gonna be the RPG in Retro Game Challenge.
I think my best bet is gonna be the RPG in Retro Game Challenge.
P90 said:
The best RPGs probably would be a nice mix of WRPG and JRPG mechanics. As a matter of fact, i'd like to see a game that took a WRPG style senario/story, main character graphic design style, and gameplay mechanic style, fused with a JRPG music composer, and JRPG monster design style.
xs_mini_neo
Banned
I'm only burnt out on RPGs with too much damn FILLER.
I have less patience for it when the game in question isn't very good or awesome. An okay game will feel my wrath.
I have less patience for it when the game in question isn't very good or awesome. An okay game will feel my wrath.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
Y2Kev said:
Also couldn't it be argued that the JRPG fanbase has more so scattered then decline?
I mean yeah SOME game series in North America have been declining but we've noticed a growth in others (Megaten for example) as well as plenty of new successful IP's.
Zoso
It's been a long time, been a long time, been a long lonely lonely lonely lonely lonely time.
I'm a bit tired of jRPGs. I'm on the 4th disc of Lost Odyssey and to be honest its been kind of a stretch just to get this far. I really enjoy the game, but there's just so much bullshit that you have to put up with in most any jRPG that I'm slowly loosing interest in the genre.
Lost Odyssey will be the first jRPG I've beaten since Final Fantasy XII, which is kind of shocking considering all I played last generation was PS2 jRPGs. But I guess that can sort of explain why I'm burnt out.
Lost Odyssey will be the first jRPG I've beaten since Final Fantasy XII, which is kind of shocking considering all I played last generation was PS2 jRPGs. But I guess that can sort of explain why I'm burnt out.
I am really burned out on JRPG's. I have finished Enchanted Arms, BD, LO, and Tales of Vesparia so far this generation, and an hour into SO4 I just could not push myself to play any further. I am going to give it a good six months and then try again. Western RPG's are not a problem at all for me right now.
whiterabbit
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I know the feeling. It wouldn't be so bad to be burnt out if you didn't have a backlog or other games you wanted to play, though...
water_wendi
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P90 said:
i think Timber is referencing the fact that dating sims are their own genre and not jrpgs.
Using the term "dating sim" in regards to KotOR and other Bioware games isnt really accurate. They are wholly optional, not fully fleshed out, and even when pursued offer little in terms of gameplay. As for which western games used romances pre-KotOR its pretty much Bioware afaik. Although i guess some games used "relationship" mechanics that border on the bioware romances like Torment.
TheChillyAcademic
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C4Lukins said:
There's your sign.
BlueTsunami said:
You and I friend, the world could be ours....
To be fair, Galt's Gulch was a valley...well, Gulch.
Number 2 said:
Well the guys at Obsidian dislike writing romance (Avellone in particular) but we'll see how it goes in Alpha Protocol. Influence was always a more interest mechanic.
It would be nice if romance actually had more meaning WRPGs than 30 second of bare ass or a couple not all that convincing dialogue trees.