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I think my apartment may be haunted.

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supergiz said:
Ok so I need to look through the footage more in depth but upon first glance of the 8 hours or so nothing out of the ordinary.

Btw, that house I posted the picture of has been like that for 10 years. Just asked the guys at the convenience store nearby. They have no idea what the story is with it. It's 3 St Felix St Brooklyn, NY 11217 or 1 St Felix St Brooklyn, NY 11217. Not sure exact number as the sign is torn off of the front of the place.

Need detective GAF's help on this one.
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Of course the intruders only come when you are not there (e.g. at work).

Hide your cam.
 
entrydenied said:
I don't think it wants him to leave.
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Gonna make him sad, OP.
 
Veritigo_X said:
Have you already recorded it? Can you just upload the part with the ghost? I don't want to watch an 8 hour video.
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I did a brief skip through and didn't see anything, but I'm not going to sit here for 8 hours and watch the whole thing. Maybe someone can catch something I missed.

I'll have some on Wednesday when I was gone working.
 
Noirulus said:
The problem is that supernatural phenomenon always stays at the edge of observation.

That's absolutely ridiculous. How does access to the internet affect the belief in ghosts or the ghost phenomenon?
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Access to information means we not longer live in a stone age where people just make shit up and you have no way to challenge it with facts.
 
supergiz said:
I did a brief skip through and didn't see anything, but I'm not going to sit here for 8 hours and watch the whole thing. Maybe someone can catch something I missed.

I'll have some on Wednesday when I was gone working.
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You think your place is haunted,have recorded an 8 hour video to see what might be happening, and you're not even going to watch it yourself expecting someone else to sit and watch it?
 
Doc_Drop said:
You think your place is haunted,have recorded an 8 hour video to see what might be happening, and you're not even going to watch it yourself expecting someone else to sit and watch it?
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Rather gets stabbed next night instead of catching the intruder that is visiting his home at night. Sounds like a good plan.
 
Chris1 said:
Either we're all going crazy or ghosts are real.
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haha these are not the only two options. You could simply be mistaken. As I posted before

boiled goose said:
You seem to be missing the key issues.
No it is not just 'I don't believe it'. There are no valid arguments.

There is a reason anecdotal 'experiential' accounts are not evidence and 0x100 is still 0.

This is important.
1) If you lower your standard for 'evidence' (reasons to justify belief) to be so low then you basically have to believe everything, including contradictory claims. It is by definition illogical. You have to recognize this.

2) I've said this many times, but I'll repeat it because people seem to be missing it. You CANNOT explain a mystery with a larger mystery. It is also illogical. Imagine you have an experience where you "saw a ghost". How the fuck could you possibly know it was a ghost? What does that mean? We don't know they exist. We don't know how they would operate. We don't know ANYTHING about them so how can you claim that it's a ghost? This is something people don't understand about how claims validation and logic work. Saying "it was a ghost" is basically the same as saying " it was &$%$&". It is complete madeup gibberish.
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These two points should help you understand why "ghosts" is really not a logical explanation at all. Not only an unlikely one, but illogical.
 
Doc_Drop said:
You think your place is haunted,have recorded an 8 hour video to see what might be happening, and you're not even going to watch it yourself expecting someone else to sit and watch it?
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Let me give some incentive. I will buy a plane ticket to the first person to find proof of ghosts in one of OPs videos and fellate them.
 
Nocebo said:
Can you explain why these two options are the only two options there are? Why does "not being able to move for a few seconds" immediately and exclusively imply either ghosts or craziness? What makes you say ghosts, if they were real, are capable of even doing such a thing? Because you've seen it in movies? I'd like to know what you base this assessment on. Or is it a "what else could it be?" type way of reasoning? Which is "an argument from ignorance". Obviously a flawed way of reasoning.

Even if a disembodied voice would loudly declare "yes, hello there. I am a ghost and I'm holding your body in place" that still would not prove it was actually a ghost. If you don't understand why not then you need some serious help in the logic and reasoning department.
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Yeah it's more of a "what else could it be?" thing.

Could be nothing and we just froze up for whatever reason, but since it happened to both of us and it's the only time we've ever froze up or anything, we sorta just agreed on it being the spirit and didn't really try to investigate it. It's difficult to explain but it felt like someone, or something was there infront of me blocking me from moving, even though I could see there was nothing.

People are likely reading these comments laughing and hey, if I was in your shoes I would be too. All I'm saying is I was in the same shoes as you years back and wouldn't believe in ghosts, anyone that brought them up I'd laugh and say they don't exist. Not any more. Whether it was a ghost or not I can't say for certain, but it's the only conclusion I can come up with. That said I've never heard or seen ghosts moving objects or squirting ketchup over a wall outside of movies, but I'm not gonna completely rule it out either any more. I'm no ghost buster lol
 
Chris1 said:
Yeah it's more of a "what else could it be?" thing.

Could be nothing and we just froze up for whatever reason, but since it happened to both of us and it's the only time we've ever froze up or anything, we sorta just agreed on it being the spirit and didn't really try to investigate it. It's difficult to explain but it felt like someone, or something was there infront of me blocking me from moving, even though I could see there was nothing.

People are likely reading these comments laughing and hey, if I was in your shoes I would be too. All I'm saying is I was in the same shoes as you years back and wouldn't believe in ghosts, anyone that brought them up I'd laugh and say they don't exist. Not any more. Whether it was a ghost or not I can't say for certain, but it's the only conclusion I can come up with. That said I've never heard or seen ghosts moving objects or squirting ketchup over a wall outside of movies, but I'm not gonna completely rule it out either any more. I'm no ghost buster lol
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Serious question, why would a ghost want to stop you from moving?
 
Hero_of_the_Day said:
Serious question, why would a ghost want to stop you from moving?
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I have no idea, maybe there is a reason or maybe it just got in the way or something. That's not a question I or anyone can really answer? Unless someone knows a psychic who can communicate with the dead, I don't think it's something that will ever get answered.

I don't believe in psychics btw, just saying :P (someone is going to say they're real, aren't they?)
 
Chris1 said:
I don't believe in psychics btw, just saying :P (someone is going to say they're real, aren't they?)
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I like that the idea of psychics apparently seems goofy to you, but you're all in on ghosts spending their afterlife freezing people from walking into a garden for a couple of seconds at a time.
 
Chris1 said:
Yeah it's more of a "what else could it be?" thing.

Could be nothing and we just froze up for whatever reason, but since it happened to both of us and it's the only time we've ever froze up or anything, we sorta just agreed on it being the spirit and didn't really try to investigate it. It's difficult to explain but it felt like someone, or something was there infront of me blocking me from moving, even though I could see there was nothing.

People are likely reading these comments laughing and hey, if I was in your shoes I would be too. All I'm saying is I was in the same shoes as you years back and wouldn't believe in ghosts, anyone that brought them up I'd laugh and say they don't exist. Not any more. Whether it was a ghost or not I can't say for certain, but it's the only conclusion I can come up with. That said I've never heard or seen ghosts moving objects or squirting ketchup over a wall outside of movies, but I'm not gonna completely rule it out either any more. I'm no ghost buster lol
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It could have been any number of other things. You must realize that you could have just as easily assumed it was a magic spell on the door or aliens or whatever if your thoughts were more inclined to lean towards anything other than ghosts and there is no way to exclude any of these. EDIT: I also like how you seem to use spirit and ghost interchangeably. So it could be either a ghost or a spirit? Do you believe in both or do you think they are the same thing?

It may also just as easily been something physiological. I assume you don't know everything there is to know and I am guessing you are not an expert on the human body either? I hope you understand that if you can't work something out any other way with your limited pool of knowledge that doesn't automatically make the conclusion you arrived at valid.

Just for arguments sake, for example: if there was something you find strange happening to you and your relative. It could be something in your body that you share through your similar genes.
Let's imagine we live in a time or place where heart attacks and heart disease are not known. No one knows what causes heart failure or even that a failing of the heart is what causes people to die. They don't even know people have hearts.
Now imagine there is this family who is prone to having a weak heart due to what is in their genes. Perhaps it only effects the males in this family. The males of this family often die young due to this. People without knowledge of inherited heart disease could say this family's male line was cursed or haunted or whatever. Because, what else could it be?
 
Hero_of_the_Day said:
I like that the idea of psychics apparently seems goofy to you, but you're all in on ghosts spending their afterlife freezing people from walking into a garden for a couple of seconds at a time.
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I guess it's more of a believe it when I see it thing. One thing I at least think I've experienced, the other.. not so much with no proof of them being real.

Nocebo said:
It could have been any number of other things. You must realize that you could have just as easily assumed it was a magic spell on the door or aliens or whatever if your thoughts were more inclined to lean towards anything other than ghosts and there is no way to exclude any of these.

It may also just as easily been something physiological. I assume you don't know everything there is to know and I am guessing you are not an expert on the human body either? I hope you understand that if you can't work something out any other way with your limited pool of knowledge that doesn't automatically make the conclusion you arrived at valid.

Just for arguments sake, for example: if there was something you find strange happening to you and your relative. It could be something in your body that you share through your similar genes.
Let's imagine we live in a time or place where heart attacks and heart disease are not known. No one knows what causes heart failure or even that a failing of the heart is what causes people to die.
Now imagine there is this family who is prone to having a weak heart due to what is in their genes. Perhaps it only effects the males in this family. The males of this family often die young due to this. People without knowledge of inherited heart disease could say this family's male line was cursed or haunted or whatever. Because, what else could it be?
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If it was aliens, would I not at least be able to see them? and if they're "invisible", technically they'd still be a ghost (or at least, what we consider to be ghosts). Maybe it was a magic spell lol, although as I said I also know someone who moved into a house and heard knocking on the walls and he moved out within weeks because of it (Which funnily enough I took the piss out of him at the time as I didn't believe it then). It could be just psychological that's true but I don't think so. It felt real, it's happened to more than just me, the odds aren't exactly stacked high in favour of that, not that it being a ghost is much better odds, but it's the conclusion I've came to.

It could be something else but until something else arises, people will draw conclusions from the only things they are aware of, in your example the family was cursed or haunted. Until a better explanation arises it only seems logical to come to what is known until proven otherwise, no?
 
Chris1 said:
I have no idea, maybe there is a reason or maybe it just got in the way or something. That's not a question I or anyone can really answer? Unless someone knows a psychic who can communicate with the dead, I don't think it's something that will ever get answered.

I don't believe in psychics btw, just saying :P (someone is going to say they're real, aren't they?)
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Chris1 said:
I guess it's more of a believe it when I see it thing. One thing I at least think I've experienced, the other.. not so much with no proof of them being real.
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People have just as much reason to believe psychics are real as you have reason to believe ghosts are real.
 
Just to clarify there is a 99.9% chance that the video will be completely uneventful. Need to split it into 2 videos on 3rd upload attempt and hands at 66%
 
Doc_Drop said:
The fact that this is mostly ignored by the people experiencing these episodes is alarming. It's the most logical explanation,but it seems people aren't willing to accept their brains may be misfiring/malfunctioning.
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Purely anecdotal but I once was convinced that a floating white figure (ghost like) was coming down the stairs towards me. The lights were off upstairs but the kitchen light was on so there was some visibility. My brain convinced me this thing was floating and not human, but within a couple of seconds I realised it was my mother, walking down the stairs, completely normally, wearing a white dressing gown/bathrobe. Her feet clearly visible, not floating.

My brain received partial information and invented the rest. Now change this incident; what if I ran, and never saw who it was? Would I forever be convinced it was a ghost? Anyway it's not relevant to the ketchup incident but I thought I'd share a story of when my brain lied to me.
 
supergiz said:
Just to clarify there is a 99.9% chance that the video will be completely uneventful. Need to split it into 2 videos on 3rd upload attempt and hands at 66%
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Speaking from the experience of someone who has slept walk,unless you've lived alone all your life someone would have observed you doing it at some point.

I would wager that someone is going into your place whilst at work so that's when you want to be recording anything. Don't waste your time with the night time recording
 
Chris1 said:
I guess it's more of a believe it when I see it thing. One thing I at least think I've experienced, the other.. not so much with no proof of them being real.
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You think it was a ghost huh?

As I said above here it is again.

I've said this many times, but I'll repeat it because people seem to be missing it. You CANNOT explain a mystery with a larger mystery. It is also illogical. Imagine you have an experience where you "saw a ghost". How the fuck could you possibly know it was a ghost? What does that mean? We don't know they exist. We don't know how they would operate. We don't know ANYTHING about them so how can you claim that it's a ghost? This is something people don't understand about how claims validation and logic work. Saying "it was a ghost" is basically the same as saying " it was &$%$&". It is complete madeup gibberish.

If you find bird poop on your windshield, you can say it was probably from a bird. Birds poop. It looks like bird poop. You have seen birds poop before. We know why birds poop. We know a lot about bird biology. You can analyze the poop. You can analyze the poop from other birds and see that it matches. You can capture a bird and see it poop.

"ghosts" as an explanation is illogical. You cannot explain an event with something that is a larger mystery and you cannot define clearly or understand.

Orbis said:
Purely anecdotal but I once was convinced that a floating white figure (ghost like) was coming down the stairs towards me. The lights were off upstairs but the kitchen light was on so there was some visibility. My brain convinced me this thing was floating and not human, but within a couple of seconds I realised it was my mother, walking down the stairs, completely normally, wearing a white dressing gown/bathrobe. Her feet clearly visible, not floating.

My brain received partial information and invented the rest. Now change this incident; what if I ran, and never saw who it was? Would I forever be convinced it was a ghost? Anyway it's not relevant to the ketchup incident but I thought I'd share a story of when my brain lied to me.
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Yup. I've also 'seen' two 'ghosts'. During sleep paralysis. Terrifying nightmare fuel.
 
Doc_Drop said:
The fact that this is mostly ignored by the people experiencing these episodes is alarming. It's the most logical explanation,but it seems people aren't willing to accept their brains may be misfiring/malfunctioning.
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It's not even that people's brains are necessarily misfiring--it's that the human brain is simply an irrational mess.
 
Doc_Drop said:
Speaking from the experience of someone who has slept walk,unless you've lived alone all your life someone would have observed you doing it at some point.

I would wager that someone is going into your place whilst at work so that's when you want to be recording anything. Don't waste your time with the night time recording
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Plus there is no ketchup in the house apparently, so that would be one hell of a sleepwalk.
 
OldmanAndroid said:
Plus there is no ketchup in the house apparently, so that would be one hell of a sleepwalk.
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Well as a kid I left my house and walked about 200 metres out of my house and up my road. Managing to secure ketchup would be the real head scratcher, I'm barely comprehensible when sleep walking.
 
Nocebo said:
People have just as much reason to believe psychics are real as you have reason to believe ghosts are real.
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And I'd be on the other end of the discussion there.

boiled goose said:
You think it was a ghost huh?

As I said above here it is again.

I've said this many times, but I'll repeat it because people seem to be missing it. You CANNOT explain a mystery with a larger mystery. It is also illogical. Imagine you have an experience where you "saw a ghost". How the fuck could you possibly know it was a ghost? What does that mean? We don't know they exist. We don't know how they would operate. We don't know ANYTHING about them so how can you claim that it's a ghost? This is something people don't understand about how claims validation and logic work. Saying "it was a ghost" is basically the same as saying " it was &$%$&". It is complete madeup gibberish.

If you find bird poop on your windshield, you can say it was probably from a bird. Birds poop. It looks like bird poop. You have seen birds poop before. We know why birds poop. We know a lot about bird biology. You can analyze the poop. You can analyze the poop from other birds and see that it matches. You can capture a bird and see it poop.

"ghosts" as an explanation is illogical. You cannot explain an event with something that is a larger mystery and you cannot define clearly or understand.



Yup. I've also 'seen' two 'ghosts'. During sleep paralysis. Terrifying nightmare fuel.
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As I said a few posts ago, It's the only thing I can come up with because "if not that, then what else could it be?" I believe ghosts are real because of those events, my beliefs don't make it fact like your bird poop comparison.
 
Chris1 said:
I guess it's more of a believe it when I see it thing. One thing I at least think I've experienced, the other.. not so much with no proof of them being real.

If it was aliens, would I not at least be able to see them? and if they're "invisible", technically they'd still be a ghost (or at least, what we consider to be ghosts). Maybe it was a magic spell lol,
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Why would you be able to see Aliens? The way your thought process works is a bit baffling to me. I can list a number of reasons why you wouldn't be able to see these hypothetical aliens. Here are a few:
- They have a cloaking device, similar to the alien commonly referred to as "the Predator" in the movie of the same name.
- They could inhabit a dimension we can't see with our eyes. We can only see 3 dimensions. But they can still interact with our dimension sometimes/always.
- Their visual make up is such that they are in a frequency of the visual spectrum that can't be perceived by human eyes.
- They could be doing something remotely. The people you see on your tv screen are not physically inside the tv (I'm sorry but if you didn't even think of a remote device, I don't know where to start with explaining things to you).
- They could have planted an alien device.

Also your definition of ghosts seems to be "any entity that is invisible"? Are you even serious? Please stop.

Yes it could also be a magic spell. Because why not?

Or the government testing a mind control device. Or a mysterious airborne chemical that affects your mobility etc. etc.

Chris1 said:
although as I said I also know someone who moved into a house and heard knocking on the walls and he moved out within weeks because of it (Which funnily enough I took the piss out of him at the time as I didn't believe it then).
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Knocking on the walls could be a number of things. Like a house settling or someone actually knocking on the walls.

Chris1 said:
It could be just psychological that's true but I don't think so. It felt real, it's happened to more than just me, the odds aren't exactly stacked high in favour of that.
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I didn't say psychological, were you confused by the word physiological? Do you know the difference between the two?
At any rate, why would things that happen in your brain not feel real to you? The brain controls what you feel after all.

Chris1 said:
It could be something else but until something else arises, people will draw conclusions from the only things they are aware of, in your example the family was cursed or haunted. Until a better explanation arises it only seems logical to come to what is known until proven otherwise, no?
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I am at a loss for words... No, it is actually not logical to make up a reason. I'm glad there are people in the world who don't accept assumed conclusions like that. Or else there would be a lot more people dying from diseases today. Basically your way of thinking indirectly killed and still kills millions of people, I'm sorry to say.
 
Jeez, lots of angry belief bashing in this thread. This is beyond euphoric fedoras; it's downright rude.
Thanks for keeping patient and updated, OP.
 
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