None of these people should have been killed. They should have been locked up and gotten help. Putting people to death solves zero problems and doesn't teach anyone anything. "Ha, I killed you! That'll teach you to.. oh"
I would agree with you that there is strong possibility that nobody is taught anything.
On the contrary, I would argue that it solves exactly one problem.
Teen gets assaulted on the way to school by bullies. Bottles and rocks thrown at head, potentially fatal consequences. Suicidal thoughts. Fear for his own life.
- bullies removed -
Teen walks to school. No bottles, rocks, or bullies.
Now, you may say that this is not solving the larger societal issue of bullying. And I'd agree. I'm not against education programs as well.
Furthermore, I don't necessarily buy that you can lock up a high school kid, send him to some juvenile prison with lackluster education, no civil social interactions, force some new thoughts into his head, and expect him to be a functioning member of society. Recidivism exists.
squidyj said:
neither do bloodbaths. You're not hoping for it's prevention at all, and the fact that you would cut short six lives to save an ounce of suffering shows just what kind of person and what kind of 'justice' you're looking for. If you think that's going to make a better world then I'd book time with a shrink.
I listed an example above your quote of how prevention exists. Instead of saying I need to see a shrink, why don't you say why it'd make a worse world? A world in the absence of the human beings who saw fit to throw rocks and bottles at their gay classmate?
1. The quality of being just; fairness.
2.
a. The principle of moral rightness; equity.
b. Conformity to moral rightness in action or attitude; righteousness.
3.
a. The upholding of what is just, especially fair treatment and due reward in accordance with honor, standards, or law.
b. Law The administration and procedure of law.
4. Conformity to truth, fact, or sound reason: The overcharged customer was angry, and with justice.
5. Abbr. J. Law
a. A judge.
b. A justice of the peace.
please identify under what standard what you are looking for is justice and I'll leave you forewarned that 3a isn't going to hold water because there is no standard outside of your head in which 6 peoples lives are worth the placement of hair on one persons head, it just doesn't fucking exist.
If you'd like my definition of justice, I'd take 1 or 2. Quality of being just. Fairness. Principle of moral fairness. Equity (in my eyes as they were threatening this person's life via projectile weapons and his indirect suicidal thoughts). Righteousness. Even some of 3a. "fair treatment and due reward in accordance with honor."
Now, all of those are subjective, which is what I've been saying the entire time.
