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AceBandage said:Uh, if they're going with parts like this, it won't compete with the 360/PS3. It'll destroy them.
Your words, not mine I like to stay conservative. Some GAF people go nuts when I state facts
AceBandage said:Uh, if they're going with parts like this, it won't compete with the 360/PS3. It'll destroy them.
Interesting. I hope this ends up coming true. When you say generational leap, you mean a gen leap from the Wii right? I would be fine with that I thinkbrain_stew said:If the CPU is indeed a Power7 design then there's no two ways around it, its CPU is a genuine generational leap. Given that, it would be very bizarre if the GPU is not also significant leap forward, the GCN was incredibly well balanced.
Raistlin said:That's for the GPU. Totally different thing. Basically it's cache
CoffeeJanitor said:Interesting. I hope this ends up coming true. When you say generational leap, you mean a gen leap from the Wii right? I would be fine with that I think
CoffeeJanitor said:Interesting. I hope this ends up coming true. When you say generational leap, you mean a gen leap from the Wii right? I would be fine with that I think
AceBandage said:Yup, Nintendo won't bottleneck the CPU with a weak GPU.
We are seeing very early tech demos from Nintendo and PS3/360 versions of multiplatform games.
Come this Fall and Next E3, people are going to be very surprised.
brain_stew said:If the CPU is indeed a Power7 design then there's no two ways around it, its CPU is a genuine generational leap. Given that, it would be very bizarre if the GPU is not also significant leap forward, the GCN was incredibly well balanced.
AceBandage said:It's already much more than a generational leap from the Wii.
We're talking from the 360 now.
Raistlin said:Certainly the GPU will be lacking versus modern PC GPU's.
Power7 isn't Cell. Power7 is what IBM designed because Cell sucked.gofreak said:So it's...what...10, 15, 20 times more powerful than Xenon/Cell?
CPU wise Its harder to put a number like that. Assuming 4850 as a lowend considering thats whats been suggested its going to be a Console that is probably operating in the range of 5x the PS360.gofreak said:So I'll ask again for the new page...can be put numbers on this? 10x more, assuming a 'low end' generational leap, or more? 15x? 20x?
(Assuming we're talking about a triple core at, let's say, 3Ghz)
Maybe it will but its still at 45 nm which is huge at this point.JoshuaJSlone said:Why would you think it has no fan? Even Wii has a fan.
And while it is still small, it's also 40% larger than Wii.
Wii (height): 1.5 in
WiiU: (height) 1.8 in
360 S: (height): 3 in
Wii (width): 6.3 in
WiiU: (width) 6.8 in
360 S: (width): 12 in
Wii (length): 8 in
WiiU: (length) 10.5 in
360 S: (length): 10 in
Wii (volume LxWxH): 75.6 in2
WiiU: (volume LxWxH) 128.5 in2
360 S: (volume LxWxH): 360 in2
Basileus777 said:It sounds pretty expensive for a Nintendo console. Wouldn't a Power7 and a beefy GPU combo run into heating problems in a console that size?
Joke post?Luckyman said:Wii (volume LxWxH): 75.6 in2
WiiU: (volume LxWxH) 128.5 in2
360 S: (volume LxWxH): 360 in2
360 is also on 45nm. Expecting this to destroy 360/PS3 in power is just silly.
I don't think it works like that.Luckyman said:Wii (volume LxWxH): 75.6 in2
WiiU: (volume LxWxH) 128.5 in2
360 S: (volume LxWxH): 360 in2
360 is also on 45nm. Expecting this to destroy 360/PS3 in power is just silly.
wsippel said:Power7 isn't Cell. Power7 is what IBM designed because Cell sucked.
antonz said:CPU wise Its harder to put a number like that
There's a reason why IBM doesn't tell us how fast it's actually clocked.Basileus777 said:Wouldn't a Power7 and a beefy GPU combo run into heating problems in a console that size?
Luckyman said:Wii (volume LxWxH): 75.6 in2
WiiU: (volume LxWxH) 128.5 in2
360 S: (volume LxWxH): 360 in2
360 is also on 45nm. Expecting this to destroy 360/PS3 in power is just silly.
lmao oh manLuckyman said:Wii (volume LxWxH): 75.6 in2
WiiU: (volume LxWxH) 128.5 in2
360 S: (volume LxWxH): 360 in2
360 is also on 45nm. Expecting this to destroy 360/PS3 in power is just silly.
CPU, not GPU...mr_nothin said:Lots of EDRAM means lots of AA!
WiiU will look TONS better than PS3 and 360 if it had 4x-8x AA and 8-16x AF on all games. That alone would make it "much more powerful" than ps3/360 in my head.
AA makes a HUGE difference.
Did you get to this by just looking at your xbox 360?Luckyman said:Wii (volume LxWxH): 75.6 in2
WiiU: (volume LxWxH) 128.5 in2
360 S: (volume LxWxH): 360 in2
360 is also on 45nm. Expecting this to destroy 360/PS3 in power is just silly.
You're right, it isn't. Sorry. Basically, Power7 is twice as powerful as a Core i7 per transistor at the same clockspeed. We don't know how many transistors this thing has, and we don't know how it's clocked, so that's all I have.gofreak said:That's not answering my question.
To some extent it does. Larger cases generally mean more ability to dissipate heat and that correlates to more power draw.Shalashaska161 said:I don't think it works like that.
scy said:Larger volume is only part of the equation. We need to find the mass to calculate the density and only then will we know just how much power is contained within.
The 360 just looks powerful you know? I think a 360 could beat up a Wii U if they got into a fight.remnant said:Did you get to this by just looking at your xbox 360?
Shalashaska161 said:I don't think it works like that.
Eradicate said:You know what's interesting, though, considering some of the rumors...
Though we don't know all the actual specs, and they may or may not release them, we have to assume this thing is pretty beefy. Going with that, it was rumored that the console's size would be around the size of an Xbox 360. But, if you look at videos out there that show the console, it is smaller than the controller.
Because they did not focus on the console, as much as the controller, could the unit being used be an early rendition of what to expect, with the remaining power and all of the system being worked on until it is revealed at a later date?
This is just speculation really. Personally, I am very happy with the power that it shows, but this is just something I was considering looking at footage and all.
I'm telling you man, I swear some of the people on this site suffer from some sort of mental illness! I just make joke posts to fit in but it's just now hitting me that there are actual real life dumbfucks that post here!Kad5 said:I'm just gonna leave gaf for the day the blind ignorant stupidity is just amazing. I expected more of this community.
Maybe i'm overreacting but goddamn.
I'm a big Nintendo fan and I've been bitching all day.Kad5 said:I'm just gonna leave gaf for the day the blind ignorant stupidity is just amazing. I expected more of this community.
People are just assuming things and downplaying Nintendo just because they want something to bitch about.
The Wii U is an impressive console not only in supposed specs but the controller is actually pretty interesting and I have no idea why people are not being open minded about this.
Maybe i'm overreacting but goddamn.
Serenade said:I'm telling you man, I swear some of the people on this site suffer from some sort of mental illness! I just make joke posts to fit in but it's just now hitting me that there are actual real life dumbfucks that post here!
It certainly can make a big difference.scitek said:How much of a difference can the fact that consoles -- especially Nintendo's -- are way more optimized than PCs make graphically? i.e. how would the WiiU with a ~4850 compare to a PC with similar specs?
lol not really. CELL doesn't suck, however it is not well-suited for a number of tasks. Power7 is their general purpose solution.wsippel said:Power7 isn't Cell. Power7 is what IBM designed because Cell sucked.
Dual precision isn't necessary in a console, and everything I've found has all been DP. And it's probably safe to assume Nintendo is going to chop the chip up since it only comes in 8 core varieties with binned cores, and that's an extra expense on Nintendo to keep them in there. Once you cut the number of cores down to 2-3 (and reduce the L3 cache in the process), and you reduce the clock speed for lower heat output and power consumption, among other misc. changes, I guess "leagues" is a pretty big exaggeration.gofreak said:Can you elaborate?
The only raw performance metric I can find for it to compare wouldn't suggest that, if we're talking about a 3 or 4-core chip. edit - though i may be comparing apples to oranges, if the power7 numbers are dp
I can certainly see given its features and the amount of memory on chip that it would be much easier to extract a level of performance out of it vs the others, but if comparing tuned code with good utilisation, would it be 'leagues ahead'?
Jin34 said:When they said it was the size of the 360 I'm pretty sure that it is the devkit that it's the size of the 360, then that info gets put through the gaming journalist filter and we get "console is same size as 360".
Raistlin said:It certainly can make a big difference.
My biggest concern is if they plan to use another custom design that's prehistoric in terms of shaders. Not only will that hurt it graphically, but will also make porting difficult (and piss of 3rd parties ... again).
Using a part that doesn't necessarily have massive raw performance is fine, if the architecture is modern in terms of shading capabilities.
Thread is moving fast ... who said anything about lots of EDRAM? There's GPU info?mr_nothin said:Lots of EDRAM means lots of AA!
WiiU will look TONS better than PS3 and 360 if it had 4x-8x AA and 8-16x AF on all games. That alone would make it "much more powerful" than ps3/360 in my head.
AA makes a HUGE difference.
Eradicate said:You know what's interesting, though, considering some of the rumors...
Though we don't know all the actual specs, and they may or may not release them, we have to assume this thing is pretty beefy. Going with that, it was rumored that the console's size would be around the size of an Xbox 360. But, if you look at videos out there that show the console, it is smaller than the controller.
Because they did not focus on the console, as much as the controller, could the unit being used be an early rendition of what to expect, with the remaining power and all of the system being worked on until it is revealed at a later date?
This is just speculation really. Personally, I am very happy with the power that it shows, but this is just something I was considering looking at footage and all.
Raistlin said:Thread is moving fast ... who said anything about lots of EDRAM? There's GPU info?