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Ice T vs. Souljah Boy...
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Straightballin
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starchild excalibur said:
That was the point I was trying to get across.
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lil smoke said:
Soulja Boy is hip hop, but he's just not good hip hop. And the reason why some people hate the fact that some mediocre teen musician is getting such hype is because he helps shape the image of hip hop in the public eye. If hip hop starts to become nothing more than this One-dimensional image of "Superman Dat Ho", then it can easily be argued that he's taking something away from the genre.
Personally, I don't give a shit. As long I can hear good music through other avenues, Soulja Boy can enjoy his fame.
dskillzhtown
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starchild excalibur said:
Why should they? Seriously, if I go and make my own country album, why in the hell would I need to know or care about Hank Williams? If I can make a country album that is going to sell and people like it, who cares? I am sure some "REAL Country OGs" would be offended, but I wouldn't give a fuck.
dskillzhtown said:
I can only answer for me.
I regard hiphop as something that you should be able to dance to, bu the artist does have to have some sort of depth or message to them as well.
Myself I mostly listen to 90's stuff, like Reasonable Doubt, Illmatic, All Eyez on Me, Big Picture, Capitol Punishment etc. I like hiphop thats introverted, smart wordplay, great beats, playfulness, telling a story and feeling something that was fresh at the time etc. What you like is up to you.
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dskillzhtown said:
And you're entitled to not give a fuck. But there are many who believe that you should at least know about the genre that you're trying to perform. No one's saying every gangsta rapper should sound like Ice T or that every backpacker should sound like ATCQ. What we're saying is that it's important to know your history before you can try and create something that further's the genre's legacy. Going back and listening to those "old fossils" can inspire you in ways that the current hip hop market can't.
You don't have to be a fan of Ice T, you don't have to sound like Ice T, but jesus if you're going to claim that you're "hip hop" then it might help to know something about it.
Oldschoolgamer
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Why the fuck is he still talking shit? Bullshit rap has been around for the longest time, and, even if Soulja is garbage(which he is), he's wack as shit for starting it. The day and age has changed. If someone wants to be able to eat and live off of their "artistry", they have to do what they need to to get by. "Hip Hop is in a state of dismay" because of the change in thoughts and consumers. Look at the time and place of where his "cop killa" came out. It was a different time then, than it is now. No one artist caused this shit. It was setup to be this way from the very start, and will stay that way until the tastes of the masses change. Kanye was smart enough to do that, and he was riding the Daft Punk gravy train all of last year. Its entertainment and a business. Hardly any of the lyrical artists from not even a few years back are pushing as many units. The likes of Fabolous (who would lyrically assassinate half of the folks T listed) can't even push as many units as he used. Jadakiss destroys jeezy and even he admitted that he gets no dough. You want to sell, cater to the times or push controversy: which is exactly what Ice-T did.
And this is rap. He should know not to expect someone not to reply back, at least once.
The kid at then was :lol
Bah. I want to see how this plays out now. I'd love to see some east coast vs west coast shit again.
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Which is funny, because one person he mentioned did the same shit Soulja did and disrespected Q-tip.
And this is rap. He should know not to expect someone not to reply back, at least once.
The kid at then was :lol
Bah. I want to see how this plays out now. I'd love to see some east coast vs west coast shit again.
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starchild excalibur said:
Which is funny, because one person he mentioned did the same shit Soulja did and disrespected Q-tip.
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Drops some Ds on that shit
See, this is one of those things you see in retrospect. I ain't gonna front and say that I never listened to soulja boy, or watch the youtube dances to learn how to do it, but content wise he is a shitty rapper. But so is about 80% of rappers out today, so I really don't think that it matters. Besides, the kid is funny as hell, "the forefather to my nuts", that shit is priceless :lol
Besides, this kid is 17, has got cars, women, and enough money to last him for life. How many of you guys were that successful at 17. Hell, I bet most of you didn't even have any of that shit at 17, most of you ain't got that shit now. Ice-T is a legend, and I think that Soulja boy needs to not disrespect his elders. How he responds to this beef will determine how much fame he has.
Besides, this kid is 17, has got cars, women, and enough money to last him for life. How many of you guys were that successful at 17. Hell, I bet most of you didn't even have any of that shit at 17, most of you ain't got that shit now. Ice-T is a legend, and I think that Soulja boy needs to not disrespect his elders. How he responds to this beef will determine how much fame he has.
Seriously, guys. Listen to the mp3.
http://media.libsyn.com/media/thornmorris/soldierboy.mp3
It is Ashkon taking Soulja Boy's music, and adding content to it. It is both proff that he lacks his own content, as well as the fact that he DOES have something.
http://media.libsyn.com/media/thornmorris/soldierboy.mp3
It is Ashkon taking Soulja Boy's music, and adding content to it. It is both proff that he lacks his own content, as well as the fact that he DOES have something.
Straightballin
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Oldschoolgamer said:
Who?
Oldschoolgamer
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Evander said:
And that wouldn't sell for shit and you and I know it.
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Straightballin said:
Lupe Fiasco
starchild excalibur
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HolyStar said:
I respect Soulja Boy for being able to make something of himself at such a young age. I really do. But I roll my eyes at other people saying "Look how this poor boy rose from the ghetto!". That doesn't validate him as a good musician!.
He's a good business man. Puff Daddy is a good business man. Lil Wayne is a good business man. That doesn't mean that I have to like them as musicians.
Straightballin
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Oldschoolgamer said:
Lupe Fiasco Disrespected Q-Tip? Im sorry, I dont know if I understand what your saying.
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Straightballin said:
I think he's talking about everything that ensued during the Hip Hop Honors ceremony where Lupe dropped the ball on some ATCQ lyrics and later made the excuse that he didn't grow up listening to their music and that the group asked him to perform (which Q-Tip later denied).
dskillzhtown
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Kaeru said:
Okay, you like is your business. No need to shit all over what every people like. If people want to dance, listen to something with a basic beat, and basic chours, why does everyone need to shit on the artist providing that?
I always think back to hanging out with Masta Ace for a day after 'Born to Roll' came out. He was saying how so many people shitted on him for selling out and shit. He just liked the beat and made a song about bass. He was frustrated that people want to label a song hip hop or whatever when it is just music. It all boils down to someone rapping over a beat. It is that simple. But we want to fight and argue about "This is real" and "That is garbage". Who gives a fuck?
But it isn't exclusive to rap. I have heard people say, "Brooks and Dunn ain't REAL country!!" WTF? Just like what you like and leave all that negativity alone.
Oldschoolgamer
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Evander said:
Its not, yet he continually brings up that bullshit. (I sold X number of records) I don't know if Soulja can write like that or not. It doesn't matter. Its half way hypocritical. You're going to call someone garbage and tell them to make money...then not tell them how to make money by going against what the consumer wants? Its retarded.
Besides, whats art is subjective. Half of the stuff people despise in rap (including cop killa) is considered offensive and that which brings down a certain race. If one thing is supposedly harming the other, how can they consider the other half which has existed since conception any less artistic?
At any rate, I thought that was terrible. >.>
Straightballin said:
It was a half thought out response to starchild. The point is that not all of the so called rap "artists" and saviors of hip hop have done the research. The cool himself didn't even listen to nor want to listen to a tribe called quest when he had to perform for Q-tip. That's fine considering we all grow up in different areas of the world. But, if you want to be hip hop, you should probably know more than a select few artists.
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Oldschoolgamer said:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1571748/20071011/fiasco__lupe.jhtml
Right here it says he hadn't listend to ATCQ but knew of them and what they did for rap. It also says that he did listen to some of there songs but not the whole album through.
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souljah boy didn't single handily kill anything. fucking over exaggerated meaningless comment.
oh, and ice-t is more redundant than souljah boy
i don't like either of their music.
oh, and ice-t is more redundant than souljah boy
i don't like either of their music.
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dskillzhtown said:
I agree, which is why I'll never say "X rapper isn't hip hop". But I still think it's important to know the history of a genre if you're going to try and jump in mid-stream. If your main goal is just to make money, then maybe not.
But I still find it ironic that some people who feel like they're being hated on by the classic hip hop heads would easily turn around and do just the same. If I rolled up next to a bunch of people blasting Lil Boosie or Flo Rida and started playing Flying Lotus, Fisz Emade, TTC, Nujabes, or Food For Animals I'd get laughed at.
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Evander said:
I didn't particularly care for it. I'm more of a story person when I'm not trying to be entertained, and this sounded like someone just read straight from some BBC broadcast.
Straightballin said:
I've read the whole thing already. Some of the stuff he said even before the concert was ridiculous too. Re-read it and you'll see what I'm saying. If souljah would have said some of that his career would have been over by now.
lil smoke said:
If someone claims to be hip hop, shouldn't they know?
starchild excalibur said:
I agree with everything you said.
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Ice T has a better resume at this point in his career.
he was in hip-hop's greatest movies of all time
break'n, break'n 2: electric boogaloo, some movie with mario van peebles
show me the boy's resume when he's Ice's age
he was in hip-hop's greatest movies of all time
break'n, break'n 2: electric boogaloo, some movie with mario van peebles
show me the boy's resume when he's Ice's age
That particular song? ... yeah he should have known and prepared better. That was one of TCQ's classics.Oldschoolgamer said:If someone claims to be hip hop, shouldn't they know?
But should he know everything about every rapper, every lyric ever made? No. People continue to learn things about their craft and it's history in every field. Do I know every graphic designer or artist ever? Nope. Am I good at what I do? Yep. No one knows everything, and that lack of knowledge shouldn't prevent him from becomming great.
Should he call himself "HipHop"? Prolly not. The whole trying to be THE MAN of hiphop thing is getting played out as it is. Just make music.
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Lupe isnt a very good example for this. He's always talked about how much nas and jay-z have influenced him. Lupe has talked about some other rappers in his songs as well.Oldschoolgamer said:If someone claims to be hip hop, shouldn't they know?
Straightballin
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Oldschoolgamer said:
He said it was taken out of context...
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someone was saying for kids that are 13 now this is their golden age of hiphop. This is fuckin sad, and its not like when us 20+ were younger and our parents were like this is crappy music and its profane etc. there were deeper meanings and stuff they just didn't get, dont get me wrong there were some songs that were just about fun and that were nonsensical. For the most part it was about lyrical content.
but YAAAAH TRICK YAAAAH GET OUT MY FACE!...... WTF?!?! this is their golden age?
this is the kind of shit almost every new rapper is now tryin to emulate with crank dat spiderman, batman, lion king, aquaman, scooby doo. do i need to continue? and making songs that have NO MEANING WHAT SO EVER. thats fine sometimes but when its moving to a future where it seems that the only thing you hear or see is
this bullshit thats beginning to take shape, you do feel like hiphop is dying.
lets look at this from ice t's point of view. If you were instrumental in helping to bring bigger light to a genre of music or just anything in general and you see it morphing into something thats it was never intended to be would you not say something about the state of it?
do you really think soulja boy thinks his music is earth shattering or has any real substance? most likely hes probably thinkin man im just makin stupid shit up as i go and these people are eatin it up.
the more and more stupid shit becomes the norm the more diluted the music becomes.
just my two...maybe three cents
but YAAAAH TRICK YAAAAH GET OUT MY FACE!...... WTF?!?! this is their golden age?
this is the kind of shit almost every new rapper is now tryin to emulate with crank dat spiderman, batman, lion king, aquaman, scooby doo. do i need to continue? and making songs that have NO MEANING WHAT SO EVER. thats fine sometimes but when its moving to a future where it seems that the only thing you hear or see is
this bullshit thats beginning to take shape, you do feel like hiphop is dying.
lets look at this from ice t's point of view. If you were instrumental in helping to bring bigger light to a genre of music or just anything in general and you see it morphing into something thats it was never intended to be would you not say something about the state of it?
do you really think soulja boy thinks his music is earth shattering or has any real substance? most likely hes probably thinkin man im just makin stupid shit up as i go and these people are eatin it up.
the more and more stupid shit becomes the norm the more diluted the music becomes.
just my two...maybe three cents
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i'm just glad that at least SOMEONE called out soulja boy for his stupid shit.
Souljah boy is nothing more than 2007-2008 Sisqo. Next year someone else comes along and becomes that year's Souljah boy. As for 13 year old kids thinking this is the golden age of rap, Gen X'ers at least had respect for older rap/hip-hop and understood its relevance to the overall scene. The Gen Y'ers are just waiting for the next fad and it becomes the golden age.
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Ripclawe said:
no they didn't. Me and my friends grew up listening to Biggie/Pac/Snoop/JayZ/WuTang/Outkast in the early 90s and none of us gave a shit about 80s rap save for the occasional Rakim or Beastie Boys record. Its like this with all music. Kids like what they grow up with, and not so much what happened before. Most kids in the 90s that like Nirvana or Tool didn't listen to Led Zeppelin or The Who. People need to get off this shit. Some 15 year old kid getting famous off some dumb song he made in his basement isn't making or breaking hip hop.
and stop acting like this is something new. The 80s and 90s are LITTERED with shallow one hit wonder shit rap songs like Soulja Boy. Or are you guys just forgetting about JJ FAD's Supersonic? How about "Whoop There it is"?
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dskillzhtown said:
The same reason every goddamn Soul or R&B singer should know who Al Green or Marvin Gaye are. Ice T, and his controversies, are a big part of hip-hop history. Any fan, or artist, should know who the hell he is. It means fuck all that his hits were before Souljah boy's time. You're arguing in favor of ignorance here. And Kanye is an idiot.
watched the videos. Ice T sounds really bitter, and completely incorrect on the notion that Soulja boy killed hip hop. It was already pretty shitty.
Soulja Boy sounds like a punk, and only "forefather to my nuts" was funny. The rest is him actin like his 13 year old audience while surrounded by his cronies.
Soulja Boy sounds like a punk, and only "forefather to my nuts" was funny. The rest is him actin like his 13 year old audience while surrounded by his cronies.
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kanye is a fucking moron. more and more i hear him and hear him rap i get tired of him and his act. im glad hes proving to ppl that you dont have to make the same song over and over to get a hit but he cant rhyme when he thinks he can.
soulja boy is not rap. same way fred durst was not rap. hell i think durst might have been a better rapper.
just because someone makes a song ppl can dance to doesnt make it hip hop. there is some definition of what is rap and what is not. it might not be so clear cut but its there. and soulja boy might simply fall into the rap category because a. he is black and b. because hes from the hood. he cant rhyme for shit. the fact he made his own beat which was catchy only means he produced a good beat.
if you want to lump into the category of hip hop simply because the beat is hot then go ahead. but he is not a rapper. he should never be compared to nas. nas never produced his own beat. nas had hidden messages and deeper meaning. soulja has no hidden meaning.
i dont care if its ICE T getting mad or any other old rapper. the fact he is/was a rapper gives him the authority to judge if he wants to. and while times changes, sounds change, and styles change....LYRICS and the judgement of lyrics remains as a constant. who cares if ICE T has not had a hit in ages? why does that matter? would it be ok if Jay Z said it cause he had a hit song out only a few months ago? would it be ok if Nas said it? Ice T is just as qualified to call soulja boy shit. Wu Tang also called out soulja boy. are they not qualified to call him a wack rapper? when diddy can out rhyme out with both lyrics, flow, delivery, and rhyme structure then your just terrible. just terrible.
the fact that little kids dance to it means nothing. little kids, especially girls, will dance to anything that sounds good. ask chris rock. soulja boy could have been rapping about capitalism and kids would have danced to it cause of the beat and dance. little kids can not be considered judges of good music.
i cant believe ppl defend soulja boy. hes the "rap" equivalent to a pop princess or a boy band. maybe even worse. he will be a one hit wonder.
kanye is a fucking moron. more and more i hear him and hear him rap i get tired of him and his act. im glad hes proving to ppl that you dont have to make the same song over and over to get a hit but he cant rhyme when he thinks he can.
soulja boy is not rap. same way fred durst was not rap. hell i think durst might have been a better rapper.
just because someone makes a song ppl can dance to doesnt make it hip hop. there is some definition of what is rap and what is not. it might not be so clear cut but its there. and soulja boy might simply fall into the rap category because a. he is black and b. because hes from the hood. he cant rhyme for shit. the fact he made his own beat which was catchy only means he produced a good beat.
if you want to lump into the category of hip hop simply because the beat is hot then go ahead. but he is not a rapper. he should never be compared to nas. nas never produced his own beat. nas had hidden messages and deeper meaning. soulja has no hidden meaning.
i dont care if its ICE T getting mad or any other old rapper. the fact he is/was a rapper gives him the authority to judge if he wants to. and while times changes, sounds change, and styles change....LYRICS and the judgement of lyrics remains as a constant. who cares if ICE T has not had a hit in ages? why does that matter? would it be ok if Jay Z said it cause he had a hit song out only a few months ago? would it be ok if Nas said it? Ice T is just as qualified to call soulja boy shit. Wu Tang also called out soulja boy. are they not qualified to call him a wack rapper? when diddy can out rhyme out with both lyrics, flow, delivery, and rhyme structure then your just terrible. just terrible.
the fact that little kids dance to it means nothing. little kids, especially girls, will dance to anything that sounds good. ask chris rock. soulja boy could have been rapping about capitalism and kids would have danced to it cause of the beat and dance. little kids can not be considered judges of good music.
i cant believe ppl defend soulja boy. hes the "rap" equivalent to a pop princess or a boy band. maybe even worse. he will be a one hit wonder.
Wait, Wu-Tang dissed Soulja Boy? This is great, anyone have a link or something to this? Also, I was actually waiting for something like this to happen. I was actually going "How has Soulja Boy gone this far without being called out" and thinking "It is time for a good rap war" That is what I love about rap, you don't see guitar players having feuds and beefs like in the rap industry. Infact, I think that rap is unique in that it generates as many beefs as it does.
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HolyStar said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpuaB75GUwo
-GZA
http://realtalkny.rawkus.com/2008/01/topic/topic/news/soulja-boy-speaks-his-mind-on-several-issues/
-Thats what souljah boy, he didn't even know who GZA was, notice how he says "some dude". And why does he keep on coming up with age what the fuck does that have to do with anything.
There is a 50 response too
Ninja Scooter
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effzee said:
most of the older rap acts Ice T came up with in the 80s were fucking TERRIBLE lyricists, yet he and other old hiphop heads would probably prop them up and say they should be respected.
A SKIBBIDY BEE BOP
WE ROCK
A DOOBY DOO
GUESS WHAT AMERICA WE LOVE YOU!
wow Soulja Boy should sure be ashamed he can't match that level of genius.
you just said fred durst isn't rap...yet you call him a rapper? This is the kind of shit im talking about. Just because someone isn't good doesn't mean they aren't rap or hip hop, and having shitty rappers or hip hop artists around isn't going to kill the genre. Get off the soap box. Take this stupid "Hip Hop" entity off a pedestal. Its just a type of music. Thats it. There's shitty rock bands. There's shitty jazz musicians. There's shitty opera singers. There's shitty rappers. Get over it.
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Ouch! :loldskillzhtown said:
Straightballin said:
Damn, even 50 hates him to? He killed Ja's career, lets see if he can end his. I hope that Nas actually responds in disgust to Soulja Boy and gives him an Ether to end him. Yet he won't out of respect to Kanye. I like Kanye to, yet he always says stupid shit and acts like a damn hypocrite that I can't defend him. I thought that "Jesus Walks" was a christian song. Damn Kanye, if you make a song about Jesus, don't cuss in it you retard.
Edit: Dude, he is such an arrogant shit. Saying to breathe it in. Damn man, damn. He might be 17, but I bet as soon as he turns 18 in July the real beef will be coming in on his ass. When Ice-T says that there will be ramifications, he wasn't talking about rappers making just diss tracks. I loved it when he said even Steve Harvey hates him. I want to see what Will Smith says about him.
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