Karsticles
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Cheerleaders?
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If fighting games want to be mainstream esports, they need less fanservice
- Thread starter DrArchon
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I feel like the point the OP is trying to make is nullified by the fact that costumes exist or can exist that would be usable.
If anything, this just creates an incentive for Capcom to create the costumes they dreamed of. And then they can create a Tournament set of costumes for each character.
If anything, this just creates an incentive for Capcom to create the costumes they dreamed of. And then they can create a Tournament set of costumes for each character.
What if, instead of an EVO stage, each character got an EVO costume? Like a uniform, for an actual sporting event.
Edit: Beaten^
TetraxShards
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But most actual sports are. Unless you want to move to a PPV model, and I don't think people are going to queue up to pay $60-100 to watch Street Fighter.
OK, perhaps "less fanservice" was hyperbolic of me.
What they need to do is ensure that every character has a suitable number of non-fanservice options that are fit for all ages to look at. They lucked out with Cammy and R. Mika last year, but they'd still be fucking screwed if some duded showed up with Laura in the top 8.
They can't do anything about the camera angles anymore (that's too late) but they can at least add new costumes to some characters who need some more suitable outfits.
They're already doing that-- there are Capcom Pro Tour costumes for Ryu, Ken, Chun-Li, and Cammy available.
The driving factor on this kind of stuff is advertiser preferences.
If you look at what happened to YouTube, it's a pretty good example of why you would want to be mindful to their desires, lest they pull out entirely, and you have to go much further to get them back.
Obviously ESPN is fine with having suitable costumes, but if you didn't have one, that would be a problem pretty quickly.
Mind, they could always pull out of being televised, but long term, they would presumably be going after similar advertisers instead of just Alienware and BenQ.
Also, like... she's wearing a low cut dress with a short skirt. The line being drawn here is certainly not "Women can not wear attractive outfits."
They seem to be more concerned about exposed rear ends. Laura's default outfit is covered.
Stone Ocean
Member
I can get behind having a non-fanservice costume for every character, yeah. And as much as I enjoy sexy costumes, I would gladly get rid of the camera angles.
Also I don't see how Laura is worse than Mika or Cammy. All she has is cleavage.
That's all formal attire. I'm talking about athletic uniforms.
Demoskinos
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I hate people making any changes to their game regardless of what it is for "esports" I don't think any of the SFV designs are that bad. ESPN is airing this at like what 10pm EST? And the street fighter designs are too much? Really?
7DollarHagane
Banned
Default costumes should probably be covered up reasonably, let the extra costumes be the fanservice.
BebopMcJigglypuff
Member
I personally don't care for ESPN at this point and I LOVE sports. Sports are the entire reason I don't have just internet... sports streaming is still awful. I personally despise all this PC post modernist crap. If criticizing burkas and hijabs is cultural imperialism then so is complaining about japanese fan service. Plus zangief/alex... really, shirtless fireman isn't overtly sexual?
Anyhow female mma fighters often aren't really wearing more than the costumes in weigh ins, though admittedly they wear clothes slightly less likely to expose themselves by shifting slightly to the left or right during fights.
Anyhow female mma fighters often aren't really wearing more than the costumes in weigh ins, though admittedly they wear clothes slightly less likely to expose themselves by shifting slightly to the left or right during fights.
Fanservice has been a term applied to both cheesecake and general nostalgic nods/callbacks for longtime fans depending on the context for quite some time now (pretty sure the former meaning has been acknowledged since at least the '90s, if not earlier).
I can't believe, that people defending "fanservice" in here. I'd you play a game for the revealing outfits ( and it's either porn, the point of it or a very niche title), you should really question your priorities. Street Fighter doesn't get worse without "fanservice", it's just included because of Japan's questionable otaku market.
Steve Youngblood
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This is a 100% honest question coming from someone who doesn't watch a lot of live sports: do cheerleaders even get much airtime? Intuitively, I feel like a lot of the time they'd be on the field/court the game would be cutting to commercial.
omgwtfbentime
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Lol female competitive beach volleyball does not exist for the male gaze, your point is invalid.
WWE comparison would be more apt, but compared to fighting games modern day WWE is tame. Also ESPN isn't showing entire WWE matches, at most talking about main event highlights and promotion.
It's a double standard with cheerleaders maybe, but cheerleaders are wearing way more than Cammy haha.
I would prefer this. Sometimes I like to have characters I control in practical outfits, sometimes I like a little bit of eye candy.
I like to have options for my mood.
I would go even further and say that the PG outfits should be the default, and that the eye candy should be equal opportunity.
Glass Rebel
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(Fighting) games should have less fanservice because it's tacky. This would be a nice sideeffect.
sixteen-bit
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How did they explain Knuckledu's teabagging on ESPN / Disney?
Ultimadrago
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Welcome to America, ponpon.
Well, to be fair, to someone who doesn't play games, it probably just looked like he was spazzing out on the controller for a second there. That was pretty disrespectful...was surprised he did that.
I understand, but it's shitty how people can read a thread title like this and instinctively understand the thread is about sexualized pandering and not like including classic stages or whatever.
RecRoulette
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Not in football, there's an occasional cut to them before an after commercials and in between plays.
Rising thunder?
They got bought by Riot, pretty likely they're reworking the game into League of Legends: Fighting edition.
League has some fan servicey designs but i don't think they'd get censored.
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
I can't wait until soulcalibur 6 debuts.
Friendly reminder less clothes doesn't mean more skimpy. The whole point of a sports bra is to conceal and control the chest. The shorts that sportswomen wear are made to be easy to move in.
Compare this to the outfits in fighting games which are solely for making them look appealing. Cammy and R Mika aren't wearing outfits for comfort, it's for showing off as much of their chests and asses as possible.
Compare this to the outfits in fighting games which are solely for making them look appealing. Cammy and R Mika aren't wearing outfits for comfort, it's for showing off as much of their chests and asses as possible.
Alex_Mexico
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You're delusional and need a taste of the outside world if you think DoA beach volleyball is anything close to how it is in real life. Starting with the impossible bikinis that provide zero support to the colossal breasts and their hilariously absurd (and individual) bouncing.
Alex_Mexico
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I really doubt it. They're betting hard on the esport scene and want some of that sweet sweet dollar LoL is making through it and maybe they are figuring out that if they want to be bigger they might need to one it down a bit. Leave the really skimpy outfits for the alts at least.
If you have the same advertisers in the end, they're going to have the same preferences. This isn't an FCC issue.
I feel like we've had this conversation before...
Oh wait, because we have...
Specifically when Laura was revealed.
When Laura's second outfit was revealed...
When Mika was covered up for ESPN last year...
We're going to keep having this conversation as long as Street Fighter is developed in Japan by an all boys club development team (at least at the upper echelon of character and game design), to cater to largely male audiences who enjoy seeing digital T&A hanging out of questionable outfits for performing martial arts...or dodging fire balls... Or you know... Being in a street fight much less actually just existing on a street.
Oh wait, because we have...
Specifically when Laura was revealed.
When Laura's second outfit was revealed...
When Mika was covered up for ESPN last year...
We're going to keep having this conversation as long as Street Fighter is developed in Japan by an all boys club development team (at least at the upper echelon of character and game design), to cater to largely male audiences who enjoy seeing digital T&A hanging out of questionable outfits for performing martial arts...or dodging fire balls... Or you know... Being in a street fight much less actually just existing on a street.
Spaced Harrier
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Cammy isn't fan-service. That's been her design since '94.
Ever seen Gymnastics, or well, aerobics?
Hot-Ryu is fanservice. An alternate design, in order to be more revealing.
And I think it was the fact it was on the Disney channel, that there was an issue no?
Even if half their underage stars are on coke.
Ever seen Gymnastics, or well, aerobics?
Hot-Ryu is fanservice. An alternate design, in order to be more revealing.
And I think it was the fact it was on the Disney channel, that there was an issue no?
Even if half their underage stars are on coke.
(Allegedly)
ViolentP
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If they could though...
Tal Shiar Agent
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Doesn't mean it's not fanservice. It's just legacy fanservice.
Mr. Poolman
Member
I've said it before, and say it again.
It's been fun watching SF fans slowly become like DoA fans trying to defend the insane amount of fanservice of SF5.
It's been fun watching SF fans slowly become like DoA fans trying to defend the insane amount of fanservice of SF5.
That doesn't preclude it from being fanservice. It was fanservice back then too. They just couldn't do much more than have her turn her back towards the camera and smile.
Now they can zoom in on her barely covered snatch like it's nothing.
Some would argue: it was questionable and in poor taste back then too...
It happens in pro wrestling. Here's one of the worst matches of all time-- look at the awful entrance from Jenna Morasca.
SFV finals were on Disney XD.
From that alone, it looks like Capcom has very different plans on the direction of Street Fighter than you. I guess Capcom is being "hypersensitive" too though.
Take notes.Their complaint was the behind view:
This is what gymnasts wear:
One outfit is comfortable and easy to move in. It shows skin but it is neccasary.
One outfit is riding into an asscrack amd showing as much ass as possible for the sole reason of giving you a boner.
Rabid Dwarf 76
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TV is dying. Who cares if ESPN can or can't show certain outfits? Streaming is the future of live events. I see no reason to censor outfits because of some arbitrary policy ESPN has. The only reason EVO is even on ESPN is because the network is desperately trying to remain reliant. Their viewership has dwindling year after year. Esports doesn't needs kowtow to the likes of ESPN. Esports will continue to grow with or without the support of broadcast television.