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[ElectricBlanketFire]

No one has made that comparison (yet).

Every game needs to be a Souls game.

 

[James93]

that's why fifa, madden, minecraft, pokemon, mario, cod are best sellers

Thats comparing apples to oranges. Completely different genres

 

[Karl Hawk]

No one has made that comparison (yet).

They did in every Witcher 3's combat thread.

 

[Azzanadra]

Huh?

What the hell are you talking about?

Oh right, sorry. It was acclaimed by the mainstream audience. I usually hang around the CDPR forums for Witcher talks, and there the people are far more critical.

 

[HK-47]

I just really find it hilarious that in order to disparage the Witcher he chose the gameplay = combat hill to make his stand on, when he is clearly a huge Fallout stan (a series that remains subpar in combat). Just bizzare.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

The year nobody gets salty over a GOTY award is going to be the year games were in absolute disaster.

 

[Nights Owl]

All of those have gameplay that accomplish what they set out to do. You basically just said
"I don't like all these critically acclaimed games, so the gameplay must suck."


It got less sales because it was an exclusive. It still sold millions of copies. It's condescending to think "oh they just like story more than gameplay."

This x10000

 

[JoduanER2]

What a ridiculous question OP, who said the gameplay of the witcher 3 is bad???? Some people are saying the combat is bad, since when a game's gameplay is its combat?? You can do infinite more things than fight monsters.

 

[CaviarMeths]

There's a 600+ post "shit on FO4" topic right on the first page and Witcher fans in particular on every board out there were making sure everyone knew FO4 was just going to be an ugly, glorified FO3 expansion from the moment it was announced and TW3 was still definitely GOTY. It's been non-stop, you should pay at least a little attention.

I'm puzzled as to why you think I would bother to pay any attention to a "shit on FO4" topic.

I mean, if that's what your idea of fun is, power to you, but I only entered this topic because I genuinely felt that Witcher 3 is a defensible game (even though I agree that the combat/controls are subpar). Not being familiar with the apparent surplus of "shit on FO4" topics, I was actually mildly amused that this was really a stealth "stop being mean to FO4" topic and not actually about Witcher at all.

 

[Azzanadra]

I don't care for the witcher in any way, but you literally just shat on the game

If the story is meh and the gameplay is only decent then what does it have going for it?

The world, man. The reason TW3 is my GOTY is because of how no other game world has captured me as this one. The main story isn't great, but the side stories like The Bloody Baron are. That, and the visuals, music, characters... they all help bring this game world alive.

 

[Karl Hawk]

Oh right, sorry. It was acclaimed by the mainstream audience. I usually hang around the CDPR forums for Witcher talks, and there the people are far more critical.

To be fair, a lot of people in these forums are very critical

 

[Chillz0r]

Every game needs to be a Souls game.

Made by Platinum Games.



In all seriousness. OP. You can get defensive as much as you want, but your thread started saying pretty much "the game you guys praise more than the game i like has shit gameplay and you are all fanboys with double standards for liking it!!"

You obviously werent looking for a discussion, just validation. You didnt get it, you turtled and tried to backpedal.

 

[Machina]

I just really find it hilarious that in order to disparage the Witcher he chose the gameplay = combat hill to make his stand on, when he is clearly a huge Fallout stan (a series that remains subpar in combat). Just bizzare.

Lol I certainly didn't start this sort of abrasive rhetoric.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

So...am I still allowed to have thoroughly enjoyed both Witcher 3 and Fallout 4?

Witcher 3 edges out Fallout 4 for me in a couple of different ways, but they both fall behind the convoluted and beautiful Xenoblade Chronicles X.

 

[HK-47]

Every game needs to be a Souls game.

Or made by Platinum. One of the two.

If a Souls game was made by Platinum I'm pretty sure the circle jerk would send the forum careening into another dimension.

 

[Q8D3vil]

Gonna be fun when blood and wine wins goty 2016.

 

[Brazil]

Some people have different opinions, others have double standards...

The Witcher has always been a series with shit gameplay and an interesting lore. That doesn't seem like it'll change anytime soon, and people still love it.

I guess some of it can be attributed to CDPR being a cool and well-behaved studio.

Same reason why they're praised for inane shit like the free worthless DLC campaign.

 

[Slappers Only]

It's common for people to conflate things that diverge from what they're accustomed to with things that are just plain bad. I wouldn't give any awards to The Witcher exclusively for, say, its combat, but once you get your head around its admittedly strange-feeling maneuver set, it's fine.

 

[Chinner]

A thread like this needs a standard definition of what constitutes as gameplay.

Most people in this thread are taking the stance that anything is not combat is not considered as gameplay.

 

[Azzanadra]

To be fair, a lot of people in these forums are very critical

There critical of the gameplay, not the story. Like a lot of Witcher hate threads always start with a preface like: "while the story is good"... but the story is not *that* good. Especially compared to TW1 and TW2.

 

[RK9039]

Gonna be fun when blood and wine wins goty 2016.

And then Cyberpunk 2017.

 

[Puruzi]

The world, man. The reason TW3 is my GOTY is because of how no other game world has captured me as this one. The main story isn't great, but the side stories like The Bloody Baron are. That, and the visuals, music, characters... they all help bring this game world alive.

Fair enough

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Every game needs to be a Souls game.

Nah just have a decent combat system....you know that thing that you spend a lot of the game doing.

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

They did in every Witcher 3's combat thread.

Wha...I've seen you in Fallout threads talking about the witcher. Are we just gonna gloss over the some of them mixed messages in those in this thread from all sides? Also, no one has talked about BB in this thread

 

[NoblesseOblige]

A thread like this needs a standard definition of what constitutes as gameplay.

Most people in this thread are taking the stance that anything is not combat is not considered as gameplay.

From my understanding combat is important enough in the Witcher universe that it's forced onto the player. So if someone does feel the combat is bad, then yeah, it makes sense that they'd see the 'gameplay' as a whole being bad.

 

[Atraveller]

There critical of the gameplay, not the story. Like a lot of Witcher hate threads always start with a preface like: "while the story is good"... but the story is not *that* good. Especially compared to TW1 and TW2.

Go back and read TW3's OT, especially EAtChildren's posts, you'd have different conclusion then.

 

[Gearman]

I mean, if we're looking at the Fallout and Witcher franchises in terms of trajectory, the Witcher series has been getting more complex, with more choices to the player, and actively improving upon combat and quest design by leaps and bounds in each iteration. I can't say the same for the Fallout franchise. It's more-or-less an open-world shooter at this point.

 

[Karl Hawk]

Some people have different opinions, others have double standards...

The Witcher has always been a series with shit gameplay and an interesting lore. That doesn't seem like it'll change anytime soon, and people still love it.

I guess some of it can be attributed to CDPR being a cool and well-behaved studio.

Same reason why they're praised for inane shit like the free worthless DLC campaign.

Probably because those ''worthless'' free DLCs were just free and not paid like every other game that EA/Ubisoft/Activision publishes?

 

[zonezeus]

The year nobody gets salty over a GOTY award is going to be the year games were in absolute disaster.

We'll always find something to argue about.

Believe.

 

[Complex Shadow]

Despite the massive amounts of praise the franchise has gotten, a recurring theme in Witcher games is baaad gameplay. The combat feels extremely clunky and can be very frustrating at times. The mechanic for recovering loot also feels pretty slapped together. So why is that ignored? Fallout gets shit on for the same things yet the Witcher seems immune?

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Nah just have a decent combat system....you know that thing that you spend a lot of the game doing.

I was joking in response to Timeaisis.

But seriously, every game needs to be Splatoon...or Intelligent Qube.

 

[JoduanER2]

Please close this, no one likes this pointless topics that only bring fights and stupid arguments.

 

[Vinc]

Because "Gameplay is King" is a reductive statement and the act of playing The Witcher 3 is amazing.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

So...am I still allowed to have thoroughly enjoyed both Witcher 3 and Fallout 4?

Witcher 3 edges out Fallout 4 for me in a couple of different ways, but they both fall behind the convoluted and beautiful Xenoblade Chronicles X.

If I have learned anything from these threads, you can't like Witcher 3 or any other game period.

 

[JobenNC]

Because gameplay is more like a kick-ass duke.

 

[crinale]

Since when story, scenery, exploration, presentation, etc. are excluded from what-so-called "gameplay?"

 

[SmartWaffles]

Some people really like to stick their head into a rabbit hole and never look back.

 

[Puruzi]

If I have learned anything from these threads, you can't like Witcher 3 or any other game period.

You can like good games

 

[BPoole]

The gameplay is serviceable, everything else is superb

 

[Karl Hawk]

If I have learned anything from these threads, you can't like Witcher 3 or any other game period.

Or if you don't like Souls games or Platinum's games, you'll get lynched like hell

 

[shinobi602]

GOTY thread is going to be b-e-a-utiful this year.

 

[purdobol]

I think people who are saying combat doesn't play a huge role in Witcher are understating it to serve their point better. I must have played a different game, because the 13 hours or so I played of Witcher 2 seemed to be predominantly combat to me, and it was annoying and clunky.

I didn't even bother to mention that 3 launched with game breaking bugs. Doesn't that matter a great deal?

You can't be serious...
Out of curiosity how many cRPG's did you play? Because in every single one of them the combat is clunky. And in every single one of them there is lots of it. The most praised games in the genre had terrible to decent combat. System Shock 2 had terrible shooting mechanics for an firs person perspective. Same goes for Deus Ex which was only decent at best. Turn based combat in fallout 1/2 was criticized from day 1. For animation taking to long etc. Live pause in Infinity engine games was also criticized from the start. Same with implementation of D&D ruleset. What about morrowind? Terrible combat yet highly praised RPG.

What are you trying to prove? That people liking Witcher 3 are wrong? That they are hypocrites? I don't get it.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Gwent was pretty amazing, so gameplay is king works I guess. TW3 was the best TCG I played this year.

 

[Xeteh]

If I have learned anything from these threads, you can't like Witcher 3 or any other game period.

I'm breaking all the rules!

 

[Future]

Making story decisions, exploration, equipment choices, quest choices.... All of that is gameplay.

Gameplay is king. Gameplay is more than fighting mechanics

 

[Puruzi]

Or if you don't like Souls games or Platinum's games, you'll get lynched like hell

Platinum is rad as shit and Souls games are just not good

 

[Q8D3vil]

Probably because those ''worthless'' free DLCs were just free and not paid like every other game that EA/Ubisoft/Activision publishes?

Its fucking laughable when more than half of Batman AK season pass (40$) is worthless skins, yet people trash about W3 free dlc every chance they get.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Please close this, no one likes this pointless topics that only bring fights and stupid arguments.

I do.

 

[RedSwirl]

As some may have already said, combat is the only part of the gameplay. One of the things that kind of get's to me in these "gameplay vs story" discussion is the assertion that combat is the only interactive part of a game. RPGs, particularly WRPGs, are one of the cases where this is especially untrue.

Witcher 3 has combat that ranges from serviceable to pretty good depending on how you use its various features (signs, traps, etc.), but I also really enjoyed its crafting, sense of exploration, and dialogue. One of the best things about the game is how well its world is designed and laid out compared to other recent open-world games. The dialogue is well-written which makes engaging with the dialogue system fun. That's one area where a good story makes one aspect of the gameplay more compelling. Fallout 4's story and limited dialogue reactions in turn make that part of its gameplay suffer.

I think this idea of "story and gameplay" standing on top one another instead of interacting with one another in games needs to end.

 

[Karl Hawk]

I see you've never met Karl.

Karl Hawk and machina are two sides of the same coin.

No, I don't. And I believe I have the right to discuss in Witcher threads whenever I wish