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If Square did FFVII Advent Children theatrical instead of Spirits Within...
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I still want to see a Final Fantasy film where at some point they are forced to pick whos gunna be in there party and then get into a random turn based battle...... If that happens I will be happy.........
As for which film would have done better? I dunno..... It might have been AC based on the awesome scenes they could have put in the trailer.......... Thats not to say more people would have enjoyed it though.....
As for which film would have done better? I dunno..... It might have been AC based on the awesome scenes they could have put in the trailer.......... Thats not to say more people would have enjoyed it though.....
Scalemail Ted
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AC was crap.
One could probably find a better, more compelling Final Fantasy story reading through any random fan fic scrippled by some prepubescent teen posted in their myspace blog on the interweb.
One could probably find a better, more compelling Final Fantasy story reading through any random fan fic scrippled by some prepubescent teen posted in their myspace blog on the interweb.
TSW wasn't a good movie but at least it was a movie,AC is teh shit.The plot makes absolutely no sense and a few scenes are beyond pathetic.And I'm a big fan of the series dying to have a remake of FFVII,I can't imagine how a person who hasn't even played the game could react to this 'movie' :lol :lol
Shin Johnpv
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TSW was about 1000x better than AC.
So no AC wouldn't have kept square pictures going, what would have kept square pictures going was to not spend 200+ Million on their first movie.
And AC was a horrible horrible piece of shit, I'm a fan of FFVII, I liked the game and would have liked some kind of sequel, but AC was just pure and utter shit, it was a 5 minute story stretched to thinly across almost 2 hours.
So no AC wouldn't have kept square pictures going, what would have kept square pictures going was to not spend 200+ Million on their first movie.
And AC was a horrible horrible piece of shit, I'm a fan of FFVII, I liked the game and would have liked some kind of sequel, but AC was just pure and utter shit, it was a 5 minute story stretched to thinly across almost 2 hours.
deadhorse32
Bad Art ™
AC was really terrible. One of the worst movie I saw last year.
Why are so many people under the impression that a movie has to be good to do well at the box office? There are tons of bad movies that do great at the box office and vice versa.
Advent Children would have done better commercially than Spirits Within but I doubt it would have pulled in the numbers necessary to keep Square Pictures from going under. The "story" just isn't accessible enough for the majority of the film going audience.
Advent Children would have done better commercially than Spirits Within but I doubt it would have pulled in the numbers necessary to keep Square Pictures from going under. The "story" just isn't accessible enough for the majority of the film going audience.
Advent Children is at least a FANTASY... and not Aliens-esque sci-fi.
I rather liked it. I recognize that the story / dialogue is weak, but then, uhhh it's basically an action anime companion piece to a video game... so my only expectations were cool action and gratuitous amounts of fan service. It delivered. Yay.
The story wasn't even as weak as most of you whine about, and it certainly wasn't nonexistant... Everything made sense within the context of the universe created in the first game.
I rather liked it. I recognize that the story / dialogue is weak, but then, uhhh it's basically an action anime companion piece to a video game... so my only expectations were cool action and gratuitous amounts of fan service. It delivered. Yay.
The story wasn't even as weak as most of you whine about, and it certainly wasn't nonexistant... Everything made sense within the context of the universe created in the first game.
I enjoyed both. TSW was hurt by Sakaguchi's lack of focus, and AC was hurt by Nojima's haphazard scenerio, but I still enjoy them, and own the DVD's of both.
What really killed Square Pictures was their inept handling of their Hawaii studio and the costs associated with starting it up. They relied too much on TSW, failed to properly set up a suite of projects to help amortize the costs, and completely threw away the opportunity to accept contract work from other studios (they rejected two offers during TSW's production to focus exclusively on the film). It's no wonder they couldn't even offload the studio, and instead had to close it down and eat even more losses (a massive ~ÂĄ17bln, or ~$150m US).
What really killed Square Pictures was their inept handling of their Hawaii studio and the costs associated with starting it up. They relied too much on TSW, failed to properly set up a suite of projects to help amortize the costs, and completely threw away the opportunity to accept contract work from other studios (they rejected two offers during TSW's production to focus exclusively on the film). It's no wonder they couldn't even offload the studio, and instead had to close it down and eat even more losses (a massive ~ÂĄ17bln, or ~$150m US).
momolicious
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there is actually a story in Advent CHildren if you pay attention and it does make sense from the first game
ElectricBlue187
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Advent Children was a pretty good movie (if you're a FF fan) but would not have gained widespread appeal any better than Spirits Within. To the casual observer they both are confusing
Lavpa Jasai
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AC was the shit!
Im not huge on FF, and ive never beaten VII, (just played the first like 30 mins.)
I still thought it was awesome. I would have way rather watched that than TSW.
Im not huge on FF, and ive never beaten VII, (just played the first like 30 mins.)
I still thought it was awesome. I would have way rather watched that than TSW.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Let's just say there is a kickass Final Fantasy movie that could be made but never will be.
It's like FF TSW went in one direction and AC another. Neither hit the bullseye.
It's like FF TSW went in one direction and AC another. Neither hit the bullseye.
Lavpa Jasai
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papercut said:
So you did enjoy it then?
Lavpa Jasai
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What they should have done is just made it into a new thing, DONT have the FF name attached to it, then they could have made games based off their new Movie ect.
If TSW didnt have any FF name on it would people have said, this is kinda FF like. Its been forever since i watched it.
If TSW didnt have any FF name on it would people have said, this is kinda FF like. Its been forever since i watched it.
Prince of Space
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Highly doubtful. While both movies are pretty bad, TSW is at least tolerable as a stand alone sci-fi movie. Even a large number of FFVII fans don't understand what the hell's going on in AC.ManaByte said:
SuperSonic1305
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Considering how much AC sold on DVD and UMD, SE would be rolling in money bags if they released it in theaters.
firefoxsux
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please dude TSW = teh sux but AC IS piss of shit.
movie fans all die lol at AC theatrical screenings i assure you.
AC = AM CRY !!!
movie fans all die lol at AC theatrical screenings i assure you.
AC = AM CRY !!!
I thought TSW was a pretty decent movie. It was nice to watch something COMPLETELY different than all of the drivel out in theaters at that time.
I think it's major failing was that it was given the Final Fantasy moniker. That put a lot of pressure on it.
It's like taking a nice fresh-faced 3rd grader, shoving him out on stage, and telling him to BE George Washington. He might be able to do it; most people won't know if he messes up anyway, but it's still a lot of pressure.
I think it's major failing was that it was given the Final Fantasy moniker. That put a lot of pressure on it.
It's like taking a nice fresh-faced 3rd grader, shoving him out on stage, and telling him to BE George Washington. He might be able to do it; most people won't know if he messes up anyway, but it's still a lot of pressure.
TSW is all kinds of boring garbage, the way they take their shitty ass story so seriously made me feel downright embarrassed. It was a complete and total waste of resources(movie could've turned out EXACTLY the same with real actors and at 25% of the budget probably...what ****ing waste of CG that film is).
Now, FF7AC may have no plot, but at least it was entertaining, to me anyway.
Now, FF7AC may have no plot, but at least it was entertaining, to me anyway.
FF: Spirits Within: Lame movie that you didn't have to play an FF game to understnad.
FF: Advent Children: Lame movie that you had to be in a comparatively smaller audience to get.
Advent Children, much like FF7, has a confusing plot. Not in the good way, that elicits discussions either. I'm sure it cost much less than The Spirits Within, one of the biggest bombs ever.
Man, Square ****ed themselves with The Spirits Within. That movie is the reason we got shitty, safe games from Square this gen.
FF: Advent Children: Lame movie that you had to be in a comparatively smaller audience to get.
Advent Children, much like FF7, has a confusing plot. Not in the good way, that elicits discussions either. I'm sure it cost much less than The Spirits Within, one of the biggest bombs ever.
Man, Square ****ed themselves with The Spirits Within. That movie is the reason we got shitty, safe games from Square this gen.
Adam Blade
WWKC
I must be the only person on GAF who loves TSW...
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All of you are haters. :3
Mejilan said:
That's the real tragedy. I'm a big supporter of CG as as erious medium. Nothing can underscore the wasted potential of GC as Sherk vs FF TSW. Both movies came out the same yes and Shrek went on to start the most insipid and annoying phenomenon in animated film history - the GC kids comedy.
What a full CG film should have been is a stylized version of reality just as anime is a stylized version of reality. And within that medium you can have the cute stuff but also the serious stuff that can be used for dramatic effect.
A real Final Fantasy movie would benefit from this kind of approach. The movie would look beautiful but it will be a stylized kind of reality. Shrek got it right. It had a kind of realism in the way the CG is done, but at the same time, its not trying to look realistic at all.
The terrible script is another matter, but the way S-E approached CG films was all wrong. They had the right idea though. They wanted to make a comparatively serious CG film.
Both movies have terrible traits for appealing to the movie going public. The Spirits Within was jarring to the eye. It was a motion-captured, live action wannabe. It was as if the movie had the worst physical acting ever put on film. The story was awful, but digestable and movie-like.
FF7AC doesn't have the visual problem of TSW instead looking much more stylistic and appealing, but it's story/characters is water thin and not fit for adults to sit through for two hours in a theater. I don't know how people think it was confusing. I've never seen the movie straight through in one sitting (for obvious reasons) and I understand it. It couldn't be clearer who the good and bad guys are, as well as general motivation. And there's no subtext whatsoever. Casual FF fans would have flocked to see it in theaters because they like the material, but I don't think that's enough to make it a blockbuster and the movie is almost unapproachable to the average viewer outside of visual stimulation. The characters are impossible to latch onto for the uninitiated with absolutely no depth, and the story is complete, left-field nonsensery. It wouldn't make sense to people that haven't played the games.
What Square should have done is either remake FF7 in movie form, or make a FF movie that has the story qualities of the games. Introduce interesting characters, develop them, show the conflict in their world, have them form a party, take on the conflict and throw in some drama. It would sell as an adventure/action movie. You can't take the exposition out and expect people to come running to pretty CG.
[edit] Just realized I bumped a four month old thread, lol. Was searching the forums and got sidetracked...
FF7AC doesn't have the visual problem of TSW instead looking much more stylistic and appealing, but it's story/characters is water thin and not fit for adults to sit through for two hours in a theater. I don't know how people think it was confusing. I've never seen the movie straight through in one sitting (for obvious reasons) and I understand it. It couldn't be clearer who the good and bad guys are, as well as general motivation. And there's no subtext whatsoever. Casual FF fans would have flocked to see it in theaters because they like the material, but I don't think that's enough to make it a blockbuster and the movie is almost unapproachable to the average viewer outside of visual stimulation. The characters are impossible to latch onto for the uninitiated with absolutely no depth, and the story is complete, left-field nonsensery. It wouldn't make sense to people that haven't played the games.
What Square should have done is either remake FF7 in movie form, or make a FF movie that has the story qualities of the games. Introduce interesting characters, develop them, show the conflict in their world, have them form a party, take on the conflict and throw in some drama. It would sell as an adventure/action movie. You can't take the exposition out and expect people to come running to pretty CG.
[edit] Just realized I bumped a four month old thread, lol. Was searching the forums and got sidetracked...
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