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If "XBO+" becomes a thing, What specs would it have?

Chris1 said:
This seems like a smart decision, instead of alienating your customer base who already own xbox ones, you'll just fuck them over and put them at a huge disadvantage in games and piss them all off.

Hope this doesn't happen but I think it will and I'm probably out if they do it like this, If I wanted to upgrade my console every year or whatever I would buy a PC not a console.
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True that it would put you at a disadvantage, but it happens all the time in PC gaming with variable setups/performance.
 
PyroPaperPlanes said:
At the minimum, it will support 1080p 30fps... Or if it wants to be taken serious by us, 60fps.
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It already does "support 1080p 30fps". And 1080p/60FPS. So does the Wii U for that matter. And the PS3. Even the 360.

I suspect what you mean to say is, it should, at the very least, run identical software to the PS4 with no compromises at that resolution/framerate?
 
Just for fun I made mockup of what the new Xbox might look like:
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Just kidding please don't hate.
 
Depends on the iteration cycles and if they want to make $ on h/w.

If every 3 years we see an updated xbox then it should be comfortable more powerful than current one. Hope they shoot for 4k @30fps a year from now. Wonder how those games will scale down to today's xbox 1
 
UHD Blu-rays support
12 GB GDDR5 Ram
1 TB Hard drive
A GPU and CPU strong enough for 1080p 30fps games as a minimum
and 1080p 60fps for certain games like shooters or racing games
 
El_Chino said:
This is all I'm hoping for to be honest.
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Yeah to be honest me too, also they should make one trade in program for the people that has the current Xbox One model for example trade in ONLY your Console and get $200

In my case I have the Day One Edition so something like $250 sounds right
 
Can't believe some people still think this is some grand new strategy for the future of Xbox...

You won't see any new SKUs unless the current stock sells well enough following a conversion to a Windows 10 box.

Whatever Microsoft do make will be for enthusiasts, the same market that is currently interested in Steam Machines. You'll be playing PC games on a PC at medium settings with a controller, that's all that is happening here. If the Windows 10 update doesn't prove popular, then you won't see anything at all.

Microsoft are leaving the console business, please understand.
 
Xenoblade said:
This is the impression I get also.
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And lol at all the theories as to how Microsoft will have games forward and backward compatible etc... Guys, they'll release a Windows 10 update that turns your Xbox into a low end gaming PC and from that point on it will play PC games the way any low end PC does. There's no great mystery here.

How do they support Xbox then? They don't, they just support PC, because the Xbox... is then a low end gaming PC. Done.

The XBO+ already exists, and you can buy it from any other PC manufacturer in the world right now.
 
Caipirinha said:
Can't believe some people still think this is some grand new strategy for the future of Xbox...

You won't see any new SKUs unless the current stock sells well enough following a conversion to a Windows 10 box.

Whatever Microsoft do make will be for enthusiasts, the same market that is currently interested in Steam Machines. You'll be playing PC games on a PC at medium settings with a controller, that's all that is happening here. If the Windows 10 update doesn't prove popular, then you won't see anything at all.

Microsoft are leaving the console business, please understand.
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Xenoblade said:
This is the impression I get also.
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Did you two bother to watch the video?
 
Xbudz said:
  • It will upscale content to 4K
  • It will support the new UHD 4K Blu Rays
  • 16gb of ram
  • Native Oculus Rift support.
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I can see 4k support, as a matter of fact, i can also see a PS4k coming in the near future, given Sony's involvement in Blu-Ray. But that doesn't affect your gaming experience, so it doesn't matter that much for people who bought their console because of games.

Concerning the upscaling to 4k, most 4k TVs already have that, right?

Rift support, nice one, but Rift is far too expensive to become a mass market product, they'd almost have to cut costs by 50% to do so.

Concerning some people's 4k gaming dreams: Seems you're not aware how much power you actually need to play a game like GTA 5 in 4k, or better: how much that costs. In short: Too much for a SKU developed in 2016 which is supposed to be a mass market product.

I asume they beef it up incrementally so that they are just ahead of PS4 specs. Everything else would be a waste of money due to diminishing returns, as it would need much more than the intended incremental upgrade.

darkwing said:
software sales > hardware sales
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Well, that's another topic, I guess, who'd actually buy it? Now that MS got rid of exclusive games? Will masses of owners of an XBO migrate to the XBOO? Will people on stores go for the $500 premium console or just buy a standard $249 SKU, a PS4 or NX? d
 
Caipirinha said:
I did and I saw a company reveal they're leaving the console business and considering releasing some all-in-one gaming PCs under the Xbox brand if there is sufficient demand for it.
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I think the question here is: What is a console? I would say a dedicated gaming pc with a locked eco system. And I think it'll stay that way.
The only changes that we are speculating are more iterations than they are currently doing and opening up exclusive games to traditional pc's and vice versa
 
Hoje0308 said:
Sounds like they want to innovate themselves right out of the console business then.
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Based on what Seamus Blackley said on twitter recently, that's more or less the goal. He said that was what the Windows Team pitched the Xbox team back in the 90s. So it's finally happening.

If we end up with a UWP ecosystem that actually works, to the point where the box itself is meaningless and you can do it on a computer or a dedicated machine, gaming will be way better off. Hopefully this signals a decline in console gaming and everything can just go PC all the time. Consoles have always been behind the times.
 
To actually release a new Xbox with the amount improved specs some people are implying here seems like a logistical nightmare. MS would basically be asking developers to make and bugtest two versions of their game.

On top of that, by the time this console would be out, there would probably be at least 25 million people with Xbox Ones. And they could rightfully be pretty upset if new games Xbox One games doesn't run proper or at all, on their console. And then there's the issue of Xbox One backlog, are all those games going to have be upgraded to make them work with the new Xbox? Would that even happen?

Microsoft will have to make some sort of Wizardry we don't know about, for this to be a smart idea. They did it with 360 backwards compatibility though, so they might do it again.
 
EsRAM either removed or increased in memory.
Increase in clockspeed slightly and maybe a change in RAM to DDR5.

Basically it would be the PS4.

1080p rather than 900p
 
I think they are going to release a new console with the upgradable parts sooner than later.

I expect them to drop the Xbox one pretty fast. I mean half of its parts are sort of put of date or not needed...

A system designed fo tv
Kinect
Ddr3
Gimped memory size and cpu

Maybe an annoucement next year? With the lead the ps4 already has maybe they will promote most the third party games for both for the year or two it's out.

It is a bit strange giving people more and more reason to drop the x1 though. Before it was for exclusives and if they all go pc?

Something seems fishy.
 
Probably some equivalent of an AMD 470X, 480, or 480X and a 4-8 core Zen CPU. It'll be at minimum ~4TF GPU, you guys are delusional talking about PS4 pairity 3 years after the fact.
 
Also we have to remember the Xbox 360 came out 4 years after the launch of the Original Xbox, at the end of 2016 the Xbox One will be 3 years old a new and better version of the One doesn't sound to crazy
 
They'd have to seriously fuck up to make a box that's around the PS4's specs.

I doubt that it'll be using Zen cores and think that it'll be using Kaveri cores or the upcoming AM4 counter-part of those. The reason why I doubt that they'll use Zen cores is because I suspect that those cores will cost too much. For the GPU I expect of a low-mid end Polaris arch GPU without HBM.
 
Caayn said:
They'd have to seriously fuck up to make a box that's around the PS4's specs.

I doubt that it'll be using Zen cores and think that it'll be using Kaveri cores or the upcoming AM4 counter-part of those. The reason why I doubt that they'll use Zen cores is because I suspect that those cores will cost too much. For the GPU I expect of a low-mid end Polaris arch GPU without HBM.
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Dont tell me those are tablet processors as well. Heh.
 
...Scatter... said:
Looks like there have been few worthy responses in here and I'm really looking to hear from some of our PC architecture gurus on GAF.

The fact that first party titles are already being ported to PC is basically making backwards compatibility for these titles a snap. The question of how they would change from an ESRAM + DDR3 to GDDR5 unfiied architecture and still be compatible with the old games will be interesting.

I guess they could do it with software OR (here comes the funny part) 3rd parties could maybe reuse some of their PS4 code to move to a new unified XBOX.

I'm excited to hear what replacements can be had for the Jaguar cores and GPU.
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If this is a thing and it's backwards forwards compatible, then I would imagine that it will have 64MB+ of eSRAM + DDR4
 
Puma cores? HBM? 14/16nm? I have no idea really. Can see a lot of improvements without needing to increase the amount of ram though. And eSRAM, assuming it is still there, should be less important so I doubt that would increase either.

El_Chino said:
Speculation.

Phil mentions it this year, maybe talks about it more through out the year with an official announcement some time next year.
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Seems unnecessary. (why take longer to announce an enhanced version than a whole new console?) Guess it could have been talked about now to preempt gdc chatter.
 
They'd be better off just releasing a new console in 2018 with BC while allowing for FC (which should be entirely doable for both the XB successor and PS5) so developers/publishers don't have to release two SKUs for a game on cross gen releases.
 
PHOENIXZERO said:
They'd be better off just releasing a new console in 2018 with BC while allowing for FC (which should be entirely doable for both the XB successor and PS5) so developers/publishers don't have to release two SKUs for a game on cross gen releases.
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A new(ish) console with FC is what this sounds like, if they released it this year they could do another one in 2018 too.
2016: v1.1

2018: v1.2, 1.1 starts becoming minimum spec for selected titles.
 
I think they will keep the ESRAM+DDR3 Ram solution to ensure compatibility to older games. They might just upgrade the amount of RAM and the GPU but it's still highly customized so I don't know if they will flesh out the money for a completely new chip design that not only ensures compatibility but also is stronger than the current one.
 
Yeah,I can't see there being huge upgrades,that will piss alot off I should imagine,and also cost alot more.So maybe more ram and a graphics bump...along with flashing lights,you can never go wrong with flashing lights
 
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