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[IGN] Death Stranding Engine (Hideo Kojima, Mark Cerny & Herman Hulst)
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Judging by their panel at PSX, I think the relationship has greatly changed since KojiPro's first game was signed as an exclusive. It sounds like Sony is a lot more involved than either side initially thought. Kojima also sounds like he wants the relationship with GG to continue beyond Death Stranding. KojiPro even has a little studio built at GG headquarters in Amsterdam. KojiPro could become a second party studio for Sony, akin to what Insomniac was or even Quantic Dream is now. Completely independent of Sony but partnering and making exclusive games for Sony.
KingdomHeartsFan
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Collaborations like this sound really cool, it helps both studios out.
It is fascinating to see Kojima, Hulst and Cerny together and telling the young story so far.
And you can see or I hallucinate it, Hermen looks proud after a decade with Killzone and getting great response to Horizon Zero Dawn (but it still have to come out and deliver with the promise so far).
Followed with the collaboration with Kojima.
Seems to be a great time for GG, KP and brought together by Cerny. Am I goimg to far to say Sony should praise the man to end of time?
And you can see or I hallucinate it, Hermen looks proud after a decade with Killzone and getting great response to Horizon Zero Dawn (but it still have to come out and deliver with the promise so far).
Followed with the collaboration with Kojima.
Seems to be a great time for GG, KP and brought together by Cerny. Am I goimg to far to say Sony should praise the man to end of time?
funkystudent
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I wonder if this means its now longer then a 1 game deal now.
Embedding a part of Kojima Productions inside GG and co developing a engine seems like a bit of a commitment for 1 game.
And I hope to get clarification on the PC version sooner or later. The Medium post people are latching onto which came from Sony Europe Community Management being deleted he day it was posted should be telling enough maybe it wasn't accurate but it will just take 1 interview with Shu to find out. People kept banging on and on (and on) about Bloodborne PC until he finally shot that pipe dream down.
Embedding a part of Kojima Productions inside GG and co developing a engine seems like a bit of a commitment for 1 game.
And I hope to get clarification on the PC version sooner or later. The Medium post people are latching onto which came from Sony Europe Community Management being deleted he day it was posted should be telling enough maybe it wasn't accurate but it will just take 1 interview with Shu to find out. People kept banging on and on (and on) about Bloodborne PC until he finally shot that pipe dream down.
VlaudTheImpaler
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If they renege after saying that this will come to PC as well, getting MANY people hyped and excited about that, I will freaking rage.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I don't think Sony has any stake in the actual studio, besides having presumably handed over a wad of cash to get Kojima to make a game for them. As I understand it they own the Death Stranding IP, but I expect he has a ton of free reign on what he can and can't do.
I sincerely doubt it. It may go out to other first party devs or independent partners like Supermassive with Until Dawn, but I can't see Sony licensing some of their best tech outside of their fold.
No, Guerrilla has nothing to do with the game's actual development. They're just providing the tech which KojiPro will iterate on and Guerrilla will reap the benefits.
I would be surprised if in the contract Sony didn't at least write in the option for a sequel (or probably two) or the right of first refusal on their next project.
KojiPro became second party confirmed.
Sometimes, being in the position of second party is better than first party, depending on the situation. For instance, look at Insomniac. I have no proof of this, but I believe Insomniac approached Sony about Overstrike (before it was called Fuse) & Sunset Overdrive, but they turned it down because Sony wanted to control the IP & Insomniac wasn't having it. But now they're developing Spider-Man with Sony publishing, which probably wouldn't happen if they didn't come to some understanding after missing out on two AAA games from them.
Then there's Ready at Dawn, who's studio probably would have been shut down after the Order bombed if they were under Sony's headcount. Instead, they refocused & are making a smaller game for GameStop.
Then there's Supermassive, who, after the success of Until Dawn, decided to go in a different direction rather than make a sequel, whatever their reasoning may be. If they were under Sony, I'm sure they would demand a sequel, even though Supermassive probably wasn't as committed as everyone else.
Shin-Ra
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Herman mentions "Sakamoto-san" on Kojima's coding team, presumably Akio Sakamoto.
mckmas8808
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This is the dream!
Doubtful - aside from taking the technology outside of WWS you don't just licence an engine, you have to provide dev tools, support & so on. It would essentially be starting a new business.
Or you do what GG did and give someone a silver USB drive with your source code on it for free the first time you meet them
I hope Death Stranding comes to PC if for no other reason than the game selling as much as possible would be a good thing for Koji-Pro and the shrinking Japanese AAA space. That said it is curious how they've been quiet on that front since Sony's actual level of involvement, which seems greater than initially implied, has been nailed down. Guess we'll see.
Head.spawn
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ICE team pt 2.
It's very cool that GG is getting more and more directly involved with tech work for Sony partnerships. They've always been very open about their tech work, I've learned most of what I know through their presentations.
Partnering like this for Until Dawn and now Death Stranding probably goes a long way to helping their dev cycle reasonable and keeps costs down.
It's also quite impressive that by the time DS ships, that willmake four shipped games on this engine. Quite far ahead of Sony's other engines so it should be very mature and fully featured.
Partnering like this for Until Dawn and now Death Stranding probably goes a long way to helping their dev cycle reasonable and keeps costs down.
It's also quite impressive that by the time DS ships, that willmake four shipped games on this engine. Quite far ahead of Sony's other engines so it should be very mature and fully featured.
mejin
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It's good for Sony, it's good for the developer.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
oh so its not Sucker Punch's engine?
Interesting.
Shared/Merged engine code sounds absolutely insane to me
Interesting.
Shared/Merged engine code sounds absolutely insane to me
If done well, and you have a good support team, it's amazing how smooth it can go. (Of course there are always growing pains.)
I wonder exactly how many (and who) former Konami employees are working with Kojima.
It's funny how outright worried Kojima seems to be of making a game that looks like Horizon. He repeats that muItiple times throughout the video. It's almost as if he's distressed by the fact that he isn't using a bespoke engine made specifically for DS lol.
So your dream is for this and any future Kojima games to be stuck within the world of console limitations? Surely hope that's not what you're implying. The dream for me would be for all games to also get a PC version and be able to be ran at higher detail and framerate.
It's funny how outright worried Kojima seems to be of making a game that looks like Horizon. He repeats that muItiple times throughout the video. It's almost as if he's distressed by the fact that he isn't using a bespoke engine made specifically for DS lol.
So your dream is for this and any future Kojima games to be stuck within the world of console limitations? Surely hope that's not what you're implying. The dream for me would be for all games to also get a PC version and be able to be ran at higher detail and framerate.
nelsonroyale
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Very cool video. I have got to say, what Kojima's team have already produced with the Decima engine is super impressive. The Death Stranding video looked incredible.
SolidSnakex
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When Edge visited KojiPro earlier this year they noted that other employees asked to not be photographed because they didn't want their previous employers to find out. Take that as you will.
How strange.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Knowing what I know about Japanese game development conditions, I'm honestly not surprised. It's a shame it has to come to them requesting not to be recognized though ..
SolidSnakex
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Shuyo Murata was basically Kojima's right hand man at the old KojiPro and his Twitter account has been completely dead since last December. The last activity on his account is a retweet of some book that Kojima posted about.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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that was great to watch, thanks op
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
As soon as people stop calling Gamescom Gamescon.
Honestly? I love everything about this. The result(s) of this collaboration and more importantly trust is going to be truly special. I can feel it and I know it. When you have really talented humans working collaboratively on the same wavelength with mutual respect for each other and their craft, miracles become a reality. I really love everything about this.
Ninja Scooter
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At this point it would not be at all surprising if this thing became a PlayStation platform exclusive without how many resources Sony is investing (and how little they care about PC).
PLASTICA-MAN
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http://www.redbull.com/en/games/stories/1331833663341/death-stranding-hideo-kojima-interview
Del Toro deeply involved with the project.
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Del Toro deeply involved with the project.
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With them using a Sony engine and collaboration directly with Guerrilla I also think any idea of a PC version is dead, sadly.
Are they scared of retaliation? >_> <_< I once read that Konami was involved with the Yakuza or some shit haha.
Are they scared of retaliation? >_> <_< I once read that Konami was involved with the Yakuza or some shit haha.
funkystudent
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Speaking of ex Kojima KP people. I was curious and after a quick googl it seemse Sean Eyestone (that guy who did just about every MGSV demo) is now at DICE.
Good for him.
Yeah... that sure is a running joke I wouldn't be shocked if it had a little bit of merit.
Good for him.
Yeah... that sure is a running joke I wouldn't be shocked if it had a little bit of merit.
Yeah, Kojima Productions being a second party is totally locked.
I doubt it's coming to PC and I doubt he'll do anything for Xbox in the future. I think he said he's 53 or 54 now...Kojima will not want to start all over again and hurl himself back into a turbulent situation without any assurances he won't run into another Konami like situation at 56 when he already has cart blanche (unlimited budget, unlimited support, complete creative control) with Sony.
I doubt it's coming to PC and I doubt he'll do anything for Xbox in the future. I think he said he's 53 or 54 now...Kojima will not want to start all over again and hurl himself back into a turbulent situation without any assurances he won't run into another Konami like situation at 56 when he already has cart blanche (unlimited budget, unlimited support, complete creative control) with Sony.
Potentially, very specific real-time to the point where it may as well be CGi.
That's largely why tech demos are nearly impossible to trust because the only thing they typically operate on is the GPU.
LostDonkey
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God that was cringe. Very interesting, but cringe.
mckmas8808
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Yes! I don't have a PC so that doesn't bother me. I've played plenty of games that are only released on the PS4 and you can clearly see how the extra attention it gets helps.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Fox Engine already had good weather and cloud system and Horizon has one of the best (if not the best) weather and especially cloud system and with Kojima Productions' experience, this can only end up well for the final game in that area.
Karspankey
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???
BossDarkseid
Member
How so? It was kinda self congratulatory towards Kojima but all three of them have achieved amazing things in their field/development teams so...
Well, Konami seem to be pretty petty and vindictive so I think they'd try to character assassinate the developers and just make life difficult.
True, but remember the Decima Engine wasn't designed to really go above 30fps (unless I'm remembering it) so unless that was purely a choice for Horizon or some engine-level thing the game will be built from the ground up for PS4/PRO and it won't have to worry about 60fps. Then again I seem to remember Kojima saying he wasn't sure he could go back after 1080p/60fps on Phantom Pain.
It's curious that parts of the trailer looked very reminiscent of some stuff they did in Phantom Pain to me, KojiPro's staff certainly have their trademarks.
Been wondering about him since Kojima announced the new studio, but i see now that it's clear he decided non to join him , unlike Shinkawa and Imaizumi.
That's a pretty selfish and single-minded point of view. If it wasn't for PC many third party games would be stuck at 30fps, like this game most likely will.
mejin
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eyeball_kid
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It's so nice to see Kojima out from under Konami's boot, and have a new start with fresh ideas and the ability to collaborate with others, instead of just being forced to be the "Metal Gear guy".
And Sony is really impressing me with their strategic initiatives here to create a fantastic middleware solution and a stable of creatives. Surely this engine will find its way to other developers who are working on exclusive PS titles.
And Sony is really impressing me with their strategic initiatives here to create a fantastic middleware solution and a stable of creatives. Surely this engine will find its way to other developers who are working on exclusive PS titles.