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[jon bones]

shame they didn't ditch Snyder in the process. he can make a great action scene but the rest of his toolset is a mess.

glad they are trying to bring some levity to the film - BvS was so 'dark and moody' that it just ended up dull and dour.

love that logo and the tone that it invokes.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Completely disagree. BvS is bad because the writing and directing is bad. It's an unfocused and cluttered mess.

The problem is almost completely with the Superman side of things...instead of getting Clark Kent and Superman right they have a dry as fuck Lois Lane and Supes and try to invest all their comedic energy into a miscast Lex Luthor

The supes side of things have to be changed immediately--everything I saw from the batman side of things was fine

 

[ZeroX03]

That description of Flash is 100% Wally, not Barry.

Spoiler

Probably for the better. Would not be mad if Hal was actually Kyle.

 

[Sou Da]

That description of Flash is 100% Wally, not Barry.

Spoiler

Probably for the better. Would not be mad if Hal was actually Kyle.

The method for making Barry interesting has always been to turn him into Wally. Except in Young Justice.

The problem is almost completely with the Superman side of things...instead of getting Clark Kent and Superman right they have a dry as fuck Lois Lane and Supes and try to invest all their comedic energy into a miscast Lex Luthor

The supes side of things have to be changed immediately--everything I saw from the batman side of things was fine

It does but after JL, I'm pretty sure we won't get Supes for a while.

 

[Twentieth]

What a boring logo.

 

[spookyfish]

The problem is almost completely with the Superman side of things...instead of getting Clark Kent and Superman right they have a dry as fuck Lois Lane and Supes and try to invest all their comedic energy into a miscast Lex Luthor

The supes side of things have to be changed immediately--everything I saw from the batman side of things was fine

This. This this this. They need to recast Luthor.

And I thought Batman was okay, but Affleck needs to work on his Bruce Wayne. Too morose. (Of course, that fits in with Snyder's complete lack of understanding on Supes.)

 

[jon bones]

The problem is almost completely with the Superman side of things...instead of getting Clark Kent and Superman right they have a dry as fuck Lois Lane and Supes and try to invest all their comedic energy into a miscast Lex Luthor

The supes side of things have to be changed immediately--everything I saw from the batman side of things was fine

yeah, hopefully JL features almost no Clark/Superman/Lex/Lois.

 

[Penguin]

I like the reverse logo better

 

[ZeroX03]

I like the reverse logo better

Dude, spoilers.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Dark and moody is not a problem. A problem is bad filmmaking and pacing issues. Stop confusing the two.

Exactly. I don't need Justice League to try to out-Marvel Marvel. Just tell a coherent story.

 

[Penguin]

Also Ben on Bat's arc, which was kind of expected from the end of BvS

 

[Sou Da]

Also Ben on Bat's arc, which was kind of expected from the end of BvS

I kinda don't think that's going to be a very compelling development but if it means less "brutality and torture that the cops are just fine with" then I like it.

 

[fanboi]

BvS > Most Marvel movies especially Civil War

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

The method for making Barry interesting has always been to turn him into Wally. Except in Young Justice.

Wally and Barry might as well be one person.

 

[NumberTwo]

BvS' problems went beyond its tone which was admittedly overbearingly and suffocatingly morose at times. I expected it from Batman, but for the tone to bleed over into every other aspect of the film was too much. There was little contrast between the titular characters.

That said, honestly I am not expecting much from this movie as we've done this song and dance routine before. Snyder is still at the helm and WB spent the last 3 years placating everyone by saying that they were going to improve on MoS' shortcomings and well -- we saw how that worked out. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised but I'm not holding my breath either.

 

[ZeroX03]

Wally and Barry might as well be one person.

Nonono, we need Barry as a contrast to show why Wally is much, much better.

And Bart is great too. I want to see a really good Bart again sometime.

 

[Primethius]

Let's see how the tone ends up being. BvS had a real world-ending feel for no reason. It felt oppressive as hell.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

Devin Faraci gives way more info: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/06/21/a-hater-tours-the-justice-league-set

Some highlights:

Spoiler

Batman has a giant spider vehicle and a quinjet-type thing called The Flying Fox
Willem Dafoe is playing Vulko, an Atlantean
Steppenwolf is the villain
There are 3 mother boxes that Steppenwolf wants: Earth, Themyscira, and Atlantis
Cyborg can fight with four arms apparently

 

[Sou Da]

Wally and Barry might as well be one person.

Aw shit you found out DC Rebirth's end-game.

 

[Escape Goat]

Devin Faraci gives way more info: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/06/21/a-hater-tours-the-justice-league-set

Some highlights:

Spoiler

Steppenwolf is the villain

I like to dream. Yes, yes. Right between my sound machine.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

BvS > Most Marvel movies especially Civil War

I wouldn't go that far. But damn if warehouse fight wasn't peak Batman.

 

[Penguin]

I'm a little surprised these are coming out so soon. Set reports are usually embargoed for like up to a year.

Oh this is pure damage control.

I mean WELL over a year before the movie's release.

And a week before initial (digital) release of the Ultimate Edition.

It's them getting people to give them a second chance.

 

[The Cretan]

That description of Flash is 100% Wally, not Barry.

Spoiler

Probably for the better. Would not be mad if Hal was actually Kyle.

I had read Geoff Johns' run of Wally West and while I loved the most of the villains (epsecially Zoom), Wally isn't stuck in my mind as a character. This run had great and mature stories, but I really like the good guy Flash, aka Barry Allen. Also, I don't remember Wally been funny (maybe another writer wrote him as such), but I remember Barry Allen of new 52 as a lighthearted character.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

Nonono, we need Barry as a contrast to show why Wally is much, much better.

I get the feeling that everything you like about Wally won't be there. That is if they even do Wally

Aw shit you found out DC Rebirth's end-game.

 

[ZeroX03]

I had read Geoff Johns' run of Wally West and while I loved the most of the villains (epsecially Zoom), Wally isn't stuck in my mind as a character. This run had great and mature stories, but I really like the good guy Flash, aka Barry Allen. Also, I don't remember Wally been funny (maybe another writer wrote him as such), but I remember Barry Allen of new 52 as a lighthearted character.

You should be reading Waid's run, and to a lesser extent Messner-Loebs'.

Even in Rebirth, Johns' was channeling Waid more than himself, some of that dialogue was straight out of that run.

I'd say in Flash Rebirth and Titans Rebirth, Wally was certainly more fun than Barry.

 

[fanboi]

I wouldn't go that far. But damn if warehouse fight wasn't peak Batman.

I agree.

What makes me think BvS is a good movie is due to the 'grim and dark' style of it isntead of billion of colors and happy times all time like the Marvel movies (don't get me wrong, I like the Marvel Movies).

It had its problem, just like any other superhero movie.

 

[Blader]

I had read Geoff Johns' run of Wally West and while I loved the most of the villains (epsecially Zoom), Wally isn't stuck in my mind as a character. This run had great and mature stories, but I really like the good guy Flash, aka Barry Allen. Also, I don't remember Wally been funny (maybe another writer wrote him as such), but I remember Barry Allen of new 52 as a lighthearted character.

Johns' Flash run was just Barry-lite. Waid is/was the defining Flash writer and created a unique character with his Wally -- which has since ended up influencing how Barry is written in stuff like the Flash show.

 

[ArtHands]

If I want light and fun movie, I'll go watch marvel. What the fuck are they doing?

 

[SlimySnake]

Yes. Lets turn every movie into Marvel fluff. This is so classic hollywood. Chasing money, chasing success at the expense of storytelling.

BvS was a very flawed film, but its problem was not its tone. TDK was much darker... i was exhausted after the movie... but it is just a better movie. The pacing is perfect. the editing keeps the movie focused on the three main characters. the character development for Harvey and Bruce Wayne, the character motivations for Rachel, Lucius, Alfred and even Gordon were beautifully realized.

Zach's BvS is all over the place. The editing is very jarring which makes the first half of the movie feel like a slog. His superman mopes around the entire movie barely even talking. His Batman was great, but kills indiscriminately which makes no sense considering all the Batman villain in Suicide Squad are obviously alive. The finale was visually amazing, but lacked any kind of emotional weight TDK's ending had.

They need a good script with proper character motivations, not a funny script that takes away all the tension at the end of the movie like Marvel movies. They need a good director. Zach snyder makes beautiful looking movies with some awesome action scenes but he is not a good director. He's basically a talented Michael Bay.

i am one of the few people who liked BvS despite its flaws hoping that they would be fixed in the sequel, but this is not what i was hoping for.

 

[The Cretan]

You should be reading Waid's run, and to a lesser extent Messner-Loebs'.

Even in Rebirth, Johns' was channeling Waid more than himself, some of that dialogue was straight out of that run.

I'd say in Flash Rebirth and Titans Rebirth, Wally was certainly more fun than Barry.

Johns' Flash run was just Barry-lite. Waid is/was the defining Flash writer and created a unique character with his Wally -- which has since ended up influencing how Barry is written in stuff like the Flash show.

I will check Waid's run. Thanks.

 

[supermarioworldE]

Hopefully they got different cinematographer as well.

Is it too much to ask for sunlight in these movies?

 

[Tabby]

Yes. Lets turn every movie into Marvel fluff. This is so classic hollywood. Chasing money, chasing success at the expense of storytelling.

BvS was a very flawed film, but its problem was not its tone. TDK was much darker... i was exhausted after the movie... but it is just a better movie. The pacing is perfect. the editing keeps the movie focused on the three main characters. the character development for Harvey and Bruce Wayne, the character motivations for Rachel, Lucius, Alfred and even Gordon were beautifully realized.

Zach's BvS is all over the place. The editing is very jarring which makes the first half of the movie feel like a slog. His superman mopes around the entire movie barely even talking. His Batman was great, but kills indiscriminately which makes no sense considering all the Batman villain in Suicide Squad are obviously alive. The finale was visually amazing, but lacked any kind of emotional weight TDK's ending had.

They need a good script with proper character motivations, not a funny script that takes away all the tension at the end of the movie like Marvel movies. They need a good director. Zach snyder makes beautiful looking movies with some awesome action scenes but he is not a good director. He's basically a talented Michael Bay.

i am one of the few people who liked BvS despite its flaws hoping that they would be fixed in the sequel, but this is not what i was hoping for.

Agreed pretty much. BvS's tone and it not being "Marvel" was not the problem with the movie.
Granted we haven't seen any real footage or anything but I can't say I'm not disappointed slightly with what I've read.

 

[Escape Goat]

Hopefully they got different cinematographer as well.

Is it too much to ask for sunlight in these movies?

Batmans costume was probably designed to be seen in darkness. I bet he will look silly in broad daylight.

 

[NealMcCauley]

Hopefully they got different cinematographer as well.

Is it too much to ask for sunlight in these movies?

Fong's out, replaced with Fabian Wagner.

 

[The Cretan]

Hopefully they got different cinematographer as well.

Is it too much to ask for sunlight in these movies?

They got Fabian Wagner.

edit: beaten

 

[Bleepey]

Yes. Lets turn every movie into Marvel fluff. This is so classic hollywood. Chasing money, chasing success at the expense of storytelling.

True

Zach's BvS is all over the place. The editing is very jarring which makes the first half of the movie feel like a slog. His superman mopes around the entire movie barely even talking. His Batman was great, but kills indiscriminately which makes no sense considering all the Batman villain in Suicide Squad are obviously alive. The finale was visually amazing, but lacked any kind of emotional weight TDK's ending had.

The movie says him killing is fairly new

They need a good script with proper character motivations, not a funny script that takes away all the tension at the end of the movie like Marvel movies. They need a good director. Zach snyder makes beautiful looking movies with some awesome action scenes but he is not a good director. He's basically a talented Michael Bay.

i am one of the few people who liked BvS despite its flaws hoping that they would be fixed in the sequel, but this is not what i was hoping for.

You'll probably like the ultimate edition.

 

[Inferno313]

Yes. Lets turn every movie into Marvel fluff. This is so classic hollywood. Chasing money, chasing success at the expense of storytelling.

BvS was a very flawed film, but its problem was not its tone. TDK was much darker... i was exhausted after the movie... but it is just a better movie. The pacing is perfect. the editing keeps the movie focused on the three main characters. the character development for Harvey and Bruce Wayne, the character motivations for Rachel, Lucius, Alfred and even Gordon were beautifully realized.

Zach's BvS is all over the place. The editing is very jarring which makes the first half of the movie feel like a slog. His superman mopes around the entire movie barely even talking. His Batman was great, but kills indiscriminately which makes no sense considering all the Batman villain in Suicide Squad are obviously alive. The finale was visually amazing, but lacked any kind of emotional weight TDK's ending had.

They need a good script with proper character motivations, not a funny script that takes away all the tension at the end of the movie like Marvel movies. They need a good director. Zach snyder makes beautiful looking movies with some awesome action scenes but he is not a good director. He's basically a talented Michael Bay.

i am one of the few people who liked BvS despite its flaws hoping that they would be fixed in the sequel, but this is not what i was hoping for.

Both Devin's piece and his interview with Affleck specifically says they're still shooting for a more mythic tone than other comicbook films. They're just not interested in making something as outright angry and depressing as BvS.

 

[BLOODED_hands]

I had no problem with dark and moody. It doesn't hurt to add more lightness though just to give the viewers some time to breath.

This is all sounding good right now and I really hope we get a competent Barry instead of CW Barry. Comparisons are inevitable and all but I hope they will be able to make Flash different enough where people won't go, "dude is the Quicksilver but for DC!"

 

[aeolist]

still directed by zack snyder, still going to be shit

 

[Inferno313]

I had no problem with dark and moody. It doesn't hurt to add more lightness though just to give the viewers some time to breath.

This is all sounding good right now and I really hope we get a competent Barry instead of CW Barry. Comparisons are inevitable and all but I hope they will be able to make Flash different enough where people won't go, "dude is the Quicksilver but for DC!"

Exactly, and that's what separates a film like The Dark Knight and Batman V Superman. The Dark Knight, at points, is even darker than BvS. However, The Dark Knight's pacing ebbs and flows, there are moments of humor and lightness, and a propulsive pacing that makes the movie really fun without detracting from it's dramatic stakes.

Batman V Superman has the darkness cranked to 10 for the entirety of it's runtime. It just becomes overbearing, and causes the audience to check out.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Fong's out, replaced with Fabian Wagner.

Thought those tweets were pointing at something.

 

[Raptor]

It sounds safe.

Like Avengers safe?

Godamn it!!!

 

[ZeroX03]

Hopefully they got different cinematographer as well.

Is it too much to ask for sunlight in these movies?

Please tell me there's a new editor. The last one was atrociously edited.

 

[Inferno313]

Thought those tweets were pointing at something.

I thought it had been reported previously that this was because of scheduling issues, Fong was already committed to Skull Island, not anything personal.

 

[BadAss2961]

Yes. Lets turn every movie into Marvel fluff. This is so classic hollywood. Chasing money, chasing success at the expense of storytelling.

BvS was a very flawed film, but its problem was not its tone. TDK was much darker... i was exhausted after the movie... but it is just a better movie. The pacing is perfect. the editing keeps the movie focused on the three main characters. the character development for Harvey and Bruce Wayne, the character motivations for Rachel, Lucius, Alfred and even Gordon were beautifully realized.

Zach's BvS is all over the place. The editing is very jarring which makes the first half of the movie feel like a slog. His superman mopes around the entire movie barely even talking. His Batman was great, but kills indiscriminately which makes no sense considering all the Batman villain in Suicide Squad are obviously alive. The finale was visually amazing, but lacked any kind of emotional weight TDK's ending had.

They need a good script with proper character motivations, not a funny script that takes away all the tension at the end of the movie like Marvel movies. They need a good director. Zach snyder makes beautiful looking movies with some awesome action scenes but he is not a good director. He's basically a talented Michael Bay.

i am one of the few people who liked BvS despite its flaws hoping that they would be fixed in the sequel, but this is not what i was hoping for.

Justice League was always going to be lighter than BvS. That's what the material calls for. Those involved were saying this from before BvS released.

Post-BvS adjustments will be made, but they're not changing identities or chasing that shitty Marvel tone.

 

[Sheppard]

I'm a little surprised these are coming out so soon. Set reports are usually embargoed for like up to a year.

Damage control. I am sure this isn't the last we have seen of this kind of behavior. That being said I do not see Snyder directing anything WB related after his contract runs out either.

 

[BLOODED_hands]

Exactly, and that's what separates a film like The Dark Knight and Batman V Superman. The Dark Knight, at points, is even darker than BvS. However, The Dark Knight's pacing ebbs and flows, there are moments of humor and lightness, and a propulsive pacing that makes the movie really fun without detracting from it's dramatic stakes.

Batman V Superman has the darkness cranked to 10 for the entirety of it's runtime. It just becomes overbearing, and causes the audience to check out.

Yeah, I had no problems with it but I can see why and how people had major issues with it on top of the pacing issues (I enjoyed BvS but the pacing just took me out of the movie way too much). If, and it's a big IF, they somehow fix the pacing, transitions, editing then Justice League might receive better critical reception compared to BvS. We won't knos until next year so there is still hope!

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Oh, the Battle of the Bastards cinematographer is doing Justice League, nice.

 

[Bluth54]

A change in tone will be nice, but if they don't fix the shit writing and editing it doesn't matter and it will be just as bad.

It was a bit of an issue. The best point RLM made in their review was when they did the montage of Superman saving people, it was edited as if it was the saddest thing in the world.

Yeah I felt bad for Superman, he clearly hates being Superman and would be far happier only living as Clark Kent.

 

[Smokey_Run]

I thought it had been reported previously that this was because of scheduling issues, Fong was already committed to Skull Island, not anything personal.

Yeah, he's busy shooting Skull Island right now.