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[Tenbatsu]

Can't find the damn game anywhere, does it really exist?

Heard that this game sold out in alot of location. Gamestop number 1 seller too.

 

[jj984jj]

Heard that this game sold out in alot of location. Gamestop number 1 seller too.

 

[tetrisgrammaton]

Wow so much anger :lol

Boogie is deserving of wrath and anger

 

[doicare]

You guys already tried this dumbass shit with Boogie

What??? My point is boogie, mysims and carnival games are all bad games yet some how they'll sell more than they deserve to.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

What??? My point is boogie, mysims and carnival games are all bad games yet some how they'll sell more than they deserve to.

So did 50-cent and True Crime, so what else is new?

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

So did 50-cent and True Crime, so what else is new?

Everyone knows that Enter the Matrix is the real poster-child for this argument.

 

[Tristam]

Everyone knows that Enter the Matrix is the real poster-child for this argument.

:lol

 

[tanod]

IGN is a testament to consistent mediocrity.

dammit. beaten

 

[speculawyer]

If you look hard, I'm sure you'll be able to find a copy.

 

[doicare]

So did 50-cent and True Crime, so what else is new?

Because 50-cent and true crime were among the exceptions of bad games on the ps2 that sold well, where as the list of bad games that sell well on wii is only getting bigger.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Because 50-cent and true crime were among the exceptions of bad games on the ps2 that sold well, where as the list of bad games that sell well on wii is only getting bigger.

Now I know you're delusional, pal.

Pretty cool how you can flat-out tell an obvious lie through your teeth to fit your agenda, though.

 

[drohne]

so if you round up, it's as good as heavenly sword

 

[Haunted]

Because 50-cent and true crime were among the exceptions of bad games on the ps2 that sold well, where as the list of bad games that sell well on wii is only getting bigger.

:lol :lol shovelware did not sell on the PS2?

That's tag-worthy.

 

[doicare]

Now I know you're delusional, pal.

Pretty cool how you can flat-out tell an obvious lie through your teeth to fit your agenda, though.

Nope sorry the general quality of wii games has been very low. Taken from games rankings, games that have scored between for the wii:

90-95% - 3
85-90% - 1
80-85% - 4
75-80% - 7
70-75% - 17
65-70% - 11
60-65% - 14
55-60% - 8
50-55% - 4
below 50% - 12

 

[perfectchaos007]

Yeah at least Gamespot is more consistant. They consistantly give Wii games lower than deserved scores while they give the PS3 games higher than deserved scores. ( if you don't believe me then why do they give multiplatform games on the PS3 and 360 the same score when the PS3 version always is clearly worse in graphics and framerate. ) At least IGN takes off points for the PS3 versions flaws on multiplatform games.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Nope sorry the general quality of wii games has been very low. Taken from games rankings, games that have scored between:

90-95% - 3
85-90% - 1
80-85% - 4
75-80% - 7
70-75% - 17
65-70% - 11
60-65% - 14
55-60% - 8
50-55% - 4
below 50% - 12

That's nice. But that has nothing to do with your denial that bad games sold well on PS2, or in fact, on any console. So you're either a liar or an idiot - feel free to choose your favourite.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Because 50-cent and true crime were among the exceptions of bad games on the ps2 that sold well, where as the list of bad games that sell well on wii is only getting bigger.

Please read this:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?o...k=view&id=4691&Itemid=34&limit=1&limitstart=5


Top 100 selling games of 2006, overflowing with PS2 shovelware.

If shitty licensed games didn't sell by the crapload, devs would stop paying for the licenses.





I mean come on, Enter the Matrix.

 

[doicare]

Yeah at least Gamespot is more consistant. They consistantly give Wii games lower than deserved scores while they give the PS3 games higher than deserved scores. ( if you don't believe me then why do they give multiplatform games on the PS3 and 360 the same score when the PS3 version always is clearly worse in graphics and framerate. ) At least IGN takes off points for the PS3 versions flaws on multiplatform games.

:lol what? gamespot have reviewed many playstation 3 games and given them lower scores on the ps3 then compared to the 360 version.

 

[JDSN]

Nope sorry the general quality of wii games has been very low. Taken from games rankings, games that have scored between for the wii:

90-95% - 3
85-90% - 1
80-85% - 4
75-80% - 7
70-75% - 17
65-70% - 11
60-65% - 14
55-60% - 8
50-55% - 4
below 50% - 12

And what does this has to do with sales?

 

[doicare]

That's nice. But that has nothing to do with your denial that bad games sold well on PS2, or in fact, on any console. So you're either a liar or an idiot - feel free to choose your favourite.

I never said bad games didn't sell well on ps2, but it's a fact that most didn't, unlike the wii right now. I think you need to take a step back and look at the facts.

 

[doicare]

Please read this:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?o...k=view&id=4691&Itemid=34&limit=1&limitstart=5


Top 100 selling games of 2006, overflowing with PS2 shovelware.

If shitty licensed games didn't sell by the crapload, devs would stop paying for the licenses.

I mean come on, Enter the Matrix.

That's an interesting article, but even that article shows im right. taking the top 100 selling games of 2006 in north america this is how the ps2 games break down:

games that scored over 80% = 19
games that scored between 70-80% = 21
games that scored below 70% = 19

That's a pretty even split.

 

[doicare]

And what does this has to do with sales?

It shows that right now the general audence who buy wii games dont pay attention to reviews and aren't the typical gamer who knows the difference between a good and bad game.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

That's an interesting article, but even that article shows im right. taking the top 100 selling games this is how the ps2 games break down:

games that scored over 80% = 19
games that scored between 70-80% = 21
games that scored below 70% = 19

That's a pretty even split.

No, it doesn't show you're right in the least. Your original argument, that you are now desperately trying to backpedal away from, is that with rare exceptions, bad games didn't sell well on PS2. Golly, looking at that list, around 32% of the top 100 sellers are below 70% on Gamerankings. 32% hardly qualifies as rare exceptions.

I still can't tell if you're a liar or an idiot though.

And this poppycock here that you're propping up to get away from your original argument:

It shows that right now the general audence who buy wii games dont pay attention to reviews and aren't the typical gamer who knows the difference between a good and bad game.

Only works if third party games are selling well. So in order for you to back up the little distractionary argument, you're going to have to admit that third parties are experiencing excellent sales on Wii.

 

[doicare]

No, it doesn't show you're right in the least. Your original argument, that you are now desperately trying to backpedal away from, is that with rare exceptions, bad games didn't sell well on PS2. Golly, looking at that list, around 32% of the top 100 sellers are below 70% on Gamerankings. 32% hardly qualifies as rare exceptions.

I still can't tell if you're a liar or an idiot though.

And this poppycock here that you're propping up to get away from your original argument:

Only works if third party games are selling well. So in order for you to back up the little distractionary argument, you're going to have to admit that third parties are experiencing excellent sales on Wii.

Im not backpedaling from anything, most of the ps2's top selling games were good or at worst average. That list is only from 2006 when the ps2 had already had most of it's top games already released and that is the time in it's life cycle it is most likely to receive less quality games as developers try to make a quick buck. Even still comparing the numbers from that list it shows better quailty games than the wii right now. And why would i have a problem saying below par wii games are selling more than they deserve on the wii?

 

[TheHeretic]

Im not backpedaling from anything, most of the ps2's top selling games were good or at worst average. That list is only from 2006 when the ps2 had already had most of it's top games already released and that is the time in it's life cycle it is most likely to receive less quality games as developers try to make a quick buck. Even still comparing the numbers from that list it shows better quailty games than the wii right now. And why would i have a problem saying below par wii games are selling more than they deserve on the wii?

Wii owners have to buy something, and there aren't exactly an abundance of quality titles right now. Obviously its not going to compare to the X360 crowd, though.

 

[JDSN]

It shows that right now the general audence who buy wii games dont pay attention to reviews and aren't the typical gamer who knows the difference between a good and bad game.

No it doesnt, it only shows that you are just making stuff up since you havent established a relationship between the sales of software and its "quality" beyond assuming that the majority of Wii owners will buy the crappy games over the good ones, which makes sense statistically but not so much when you see publishers making PR about games like Resident Evil 4/Trauma Center/Zelda helping then to get more money over shit like Chicken Shoot or Ultimate Duck Hunting.

 

[Staccat0]

Wii owners have to buy something, and there aren't exactly an abundance of quality titles right now. Obviously its not going to compare to the X360 crowd, though.

yep

 

[drohne]

there is a difference between enter the matrix and carnival games, and i wouldn't hesitate if posed with that unenviable choice. bad games selling is an old phenomenon, but a new kind of bad game is selling on wii

 

[Jonnyboy117]

Yeah I clearly saw the tag, but the closure of Clover Studios is never to be joked about.

Clover was shut down for many reasons. It was a done deal even before Godhand bombed in the U.S.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

there is a difference between enter the matrix and carnival games, and i wouldn't hesitate if posed with that unenviable choice. bad games selling is an old phenomenon, but a new kind of bad game is selling on wii

I don't really see how the distinction matters. Was it hardcore gamers floating 50 cent, Matrix, True Crime, Bloodrayne, and the like, or was it the casuals? They've just found a new kind of bad game to buy, and trying to draw some invisible line is pretty pointless if you ask me.

But my argument isn't with you, drohne. I know you aren't one of these threatened "THE SKY IS FALLING IN" types. I'm just getting tired of guys like Phoenix Down, doicare, and the like spouting their endless bullshit and not getting called on it.

 

[TheHeretic]

I don't really see how the distinction matters. Was it hardcore gamers floating 50 cent, Matrix, True Crime, Bloodrayne, and the like, or was it the casuals? They've just found a new kind of bad game to buy, and trying to draw some invisible line is pretty pointless if you ask me.

But my argument isn't with you, drohne. I know you aren't one of these threatened "THE SKY IS FALLING IN" types. I'm just getting tired of guys like Phoenix Down, doicare, and the like spouting their endless bullshit and not getting called on it.

It matters if theres two new "bad game" genres eating shelf space over the games people should be playing.

So we have our titles selling because of known franchises, movies or plain awesome box art, which are traditional enemy of every gamer with a strong palate for the awful. Now we have a horrible new collection of mini games being bukkaked over the market. If these two forces of evil co-exist, its just going to make it harder for Joe Average to wade through the crap and reach the next psychonauts (or whatever underrated game you can manage to envision).

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

It matters if theres two new "bad game" genres eating shelf space over the games people should be playing.

So we have our titles selling because of known franchises, movies or plain awesome box art, which are traditional enemy of every gamer with a strong palate for the awful. Now we have a horrible new collection of mini games being bukkaked over the market. If these two forces of evil co-exist, its just going to make it harder for Joe Average to wade through the crap and reach the next psychonauts (or whatever underrated game you can manage to envision).

I'm sorry to break this to you, but Joe Average was never going to reach for Psychonauts anyway. All a new genre that appeals to that audience means is the old bad games have to compete with the new bad games for the same dollars. Joe and Kathy Average wouldn't suddenly buy Bioshock if Carnival Games weren't around; they'd just buy Shrek: Super Fart Kart and be done with it.

 

[StevieP]

Im not backpedaling from anything, most of the ps2's top selling games were good or at worst average. That list is only from 2006 when the ps2 had already had most of it's top games already released and that is the time in it's life cycle it is most likely to receive less quality games as developers try to make a quick buck. Even still comparing the numbers from that list it shows better quailty games than the wii right now. And why would i have a problem saying below par wii games are selling more than they deserve on the wii?

 

[AzureNightmare]

6.5? million seller am confirmed! :lol

 

[TheHeretic]

I'm sorry to break this to you, but Joe Average was never going to reach for Psychonauts anyway. All a new genre that appeals to that audience means is the old bad games have to compete with the new bad games for the same dollars. Joe and Kathy Average wouldn't suddenly buy Bioshock if Carnival Games weren't around; they'd just buy Shrek: Super Fart Kart and be done with it.

Simply a hypothetical on my part, but I think my original point still remains. I think theres a reasonable number of people who buy games on a whim and having more and more shelf space dedicated to crap makes it harder for quality titles with lower marketing budgets to stand out. Not to mention it reflects badly on Video Gaming as a whole.

 

[C.T.]

Simply a hypothetical on my part, but I think my original point still remains. I think theres a reasonable number of people who buy games on a whim and having more and more shelf space dedicated to crap makes it harder for quality titles with lower marketing budgets to stand out. Not to mention it reflects badly on Video Gaming as a whole.

Still I think with the huge userbase the Wii is getting, everyone profits. Look at the DS in Japan. Shelf space is a huge problem there still even hardcore and ultra hardcore games get attention and often they sell better then their predecessors. Dead franchises have been resurrected, new games sell good. Even with more casual games, I don't understand the pessimism.

Edit:
DS started with casual games first and now there a lot of quality games for gamers. I think we'll the the same thing when better games hit Wii's lineup.

 

[legend166]

Since when did Boogie sell well in the first place? I told everyone it would sell bad but no one listened.

 

[FF_VIII]

So Carnival Games is better than _______?

Lair

 

[Lobster]

Since when did Boogie sell well in the first place? I told everyone it would sell bad but no one listened.

Since it appeared in the top 20 in PAL charts.

 

[Fredescu]

Since when did Boogie sell well in the first place? I told everyone it would sell bad but no one listened.

I was one that thought it was going to sell heaps. That's before we got any impressions though.

 

[Yixian]

Now there is a God Hand.

New worst avatar on GAF.

 

[VicViper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0iv82YytFo

/thread

 

[theBishop]

Yeah at least Gamespot is more consistant. They consistantly give Wii games lower than deserved scores while they give the PS3 games higher than deserved scores. ( if you don't believe me then why do they give multiplatform games on the PS3 and 360 the same score when the PS3 version always is clearly worse in graphics and framerate. ) At least IGN takes off points for the PS3 versions flaws on multiplatform games.

9.1

Well-deserved.