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[JavyOO7]

Still to this day I don't understand why Nintendo could not have made the system a beast like the 360 or PS3, sell it for 299 with the Wii remote, and I'd buy it without thinking twice. But knowing the specs... eh. I'll still buy it since Nintendo makes my favorite games, and the controller concept intrigues me to no end (VR and bullshit like that), but blah. I'm buying a 360 to accomdate my Wii since I'm not sure how long I can stand the GameCube+ graphics.

 

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

But they added just enough to make the tech warrant a higher price, even if not that much of a higher price. The 512 flash RAM and tripple the system RAM alone means no memory card and better than last gen graphics. And that controller has a lot more tech than any other.

With two or three times the gamecube's horses, onboard flash ram, and pimped out controller; at a bit over double the retail of the gamecube, the price is about right.

I'm not seeing that 3 times the power of gamecube in any of the Wii games. Everything looks like a GC game. Just give me an option to buy the controller seperately and a RAM pack that I can plug into my GC.

This whole Wii thing is really starting to get less and less appealing.

 

[Mr.Ressetti]

By "die" do you mean self-destruct, or get locked by Dragona?

Good question , 60% Locked , 40% self destruct.

 

[Xdrive05]

Alright back to the Gameboy Revolution..

Portable Gamecube with 4:3 screen. Plays mini-DVD media. Developers shouldn't toss out their GameCube development kits just yet!

Spoiler

of course that's not a problem because they've been using them for Wii

 

[Mr.Ressetti]

Portable Gamecube with 4:3 screen. Plays mini-DVD media. Developers shouldn't toss out their GameCube development kits just yet!

Spoiler

of course that's not a problem because they've been using them for Wii

But thats not Revolutionary

 

[xaosslug]

Virtual console.

I thought that if you rotate the wiimote and hold it with both hands it acts as somewhat of a classic controller? maybe, i'm wrong...

 

[MrPing1000]

*Raises eyebrows*

That's actually a pretty damn good point. Still, online better be ****ing good on Wii/

I fear it won't. At the very least they HAVE to make one friend code universal. (although tags would obviously be preferred to some silly long number but thats probably stretching it in Nintendo land)

 

[BobTheFork]

The PS2 is ancient technology, released back in 2001. If you purchased in in 2001, you would expect to pay 299.99 and be a steal. If you're paying $230 for an Gamecube turbo in 2006, the difference is clear. Value =! null, and Wii won't even have remotely in the same ****ing galaxy the library of quality titles as PS2 for the next 3 or 4 years or so even if that ever happened... so even if you wanted to use the "fun" argument, it fails

not to be an ass, but are you sure you want a Wii, you dont sound that happy :' (
And the 'fun' argument works for me because I feel like I just haven't had enough multiplayer fun on PS2 for all the great games. If the Wii is Friend code free, and has some good online games, it would be alot of fun

 

[elostyle]

Yes, and on 360 paying for the internet is worth every dime because it's not a hilarious piece of shit like PS2 online or DS Wifi. But, putting that aside, Wii has its own distinctive value... but as a consumer, I expect Nintendo to give me the system for a good price based on the value of the parts, not some vague "fun-o-meter." And I hate to break it for you, Wifi is not what makes 360 premium cost 100 more... that's actually a relatively cheap thing to add.

360 premium does not have wifi build in. They charge $100 for the adapter.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Yes, and on 360 paying for the internet is worth every dime because it's not a hilarious piece of shit like PS2 online or DS Wifi. But, putting that aside, Wii has its own distinctive value... but as a consumer, I expect Nintendo to give me the system for a good price based on the value of the parts, not some vague "fun-o-meter." And I hate to break it for you, Wifi is not what makes 360 premium cost 100 more... that's actually a relatively cheap thing to add.

Hmm, this is a little awkward.

Neither the Core nor Premium pack includes wireless internet access. You have to buy that accessory seperately. It costs $100. Wireless internet is included in the Wii. That is why I said it is worth $100. I'm not talking about XBL vs Nintendo Connect because we have no idea what NC will be like, and XBL's price isn't included in the system.

 

[jedimike]

I thought people were joking about $30 until I started reading more of the thread.... WTF??!! I swear, anyone bitching about $30 needs to find a new hobby.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Wii Sports. $49.99

You ain't gettin no fing games with the Wii. Best shot is begging Nintendo for a demo disc. Which i don't think they will do either for some reason.

 

[Johnas]

Sorry a little OT, but what's the Wii's storage space? I know you can download games on the VC, so I guess you save data the same way. For some reason I either haven't thought about saving game data or forgot what I've probably read here.

 

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

360 premium does not have wifi build in. They charge $100 for the adapter.

You don't have to buy MS's though. You can go to Radio Shack and pick one up for 15 bucks.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

I thought that if you rotate the wiimote and hold it with both hands it acts as somewhat of a classic controller? maybe, i'm wrong...

Well yeah, but that only works for NES games. It'd become a problem for Genesis games, SNES games, 64 games, etc. And plus, I want the controller for Brawl.

You ain't gettin no fing games with the Wii. Best shot is begging Nintendo for a demo disc. Which i don't think they will do either for some reason.

Shit

 

[Amir0x]

360 premium does not have wifi build in. They charge $100 for the adapter.

I meant to say, if they added that into 360, it would not be what made it cost 100 dollars more... it's a relatively cheap thing to add which wouldn't put some substantial added value into any system, Microsoft is just gimping out.

Hmm, this is a little awkward.

Neither the Core nor Premium pack includes wireless internet access. You have to buy that accessory seperately. It costs $100. Wireless internet is included in the Wii. That is why I said it is worth $100. I'm not talking about XBL vs Nintendo Connect because we have no idea what NC will be like, and XBL's price isn't included in the system.

Anyway, Wifi is not worth $100... because Microsoft put some arbitrary price on it, doesn't mean much except that they're ripping customers off. Why would it be ok if someone else did that too?

not to be an ass, but are you sure you want a Wii, you dont sound that happy :' (

I'm would be getting a Wii either way at some point due to certain key franchises, so it wouldn't matter how happy or not I was with the direction.

And the 'fun' argument works for me because I feel like I just haven't had enough multiplayer fun on PS2 for all the great games. If the Wii is Friend code free, and has some good online games, it would be alot of fun

Wii isn't friend code friend.

 

[gutter_trash]

i got a name for rating "fun points"

it's funness!!

funness!!!

 

[Illuminati]

because you ARE paying for the technology, and what is in these systems ARE worth $400+... what is in Wii technologically is worth less than 200

Not necessarily, juding by the size of the Wii case all of the components had to be reduced in size. In some cases the smaller electronics get the more expensive as they become smaller. Not to mention they incorporated new things to make the system low powered and reduce the heat dissipated, which can cost a little extra also.

 

[Cheerilee]

So first IGN says "We presented this information to Nintendo of America for response, but a spokesperson for the company said that it does not comment on rumors and speculation."

Then they say they pulled it because it contained identifying info and the sources don't want to be arrested for breaking NDAs (even though IGN already handed a copy of the story to Nintendo).

The it comes back up but it's missing the stuff about Broadway, the Wee Wii, and the 5.5 million number.

 

[stalker]

Sorry a little OT, but what's the Wii's storage space?

512 MB internal.

 

[BobTheFork]

Wii Sports. $49.99

You ain't gettin no fing games with the Wii. Best shot is begging Nintendo for a demo disc. Which i don't think they will do either for some reason.

Ah, sounds like someone need a 'Funectomy' STAT

 

[fly high ~ayunite~]

I think I'll be waiting for Nintendo to confirm before I go overboard..

 

[Amir0x]

Not necessarily, juding by the size of the Wii case all of the components had to be reduced in size. In some cases the smaller electronics get the more expensive they become. Not to mention they incorporated new things to make the system low powered and reduce the heat dissipated, which can cost a little extra also.

Well since being small and quiet has absolutely no impact on my games, unless it's a portable, they gotta do much more to justify a price that was too expensive. Not that $230 is too absurd or anything in the first place, but it's a bit overpriced for what it offers. I'm not complaining though, just explaining why trying to compare what some package at $230 is value wise vs. 360/PS3 at $400+ value wise is a slippery slope.

 

[Xdrive05]

I'm not seeing that 3 times the power of gamecube in any of the Wii games. Everything looks like a GC game. Just give me an option to buy the controller seperately and a RAM pack that I can plug into my GC.

This whole Wii thing is really starting to get less and less appealing.

Well we know it's roughly more powerful whether we've been seeing that yet or not. Mario Galaxy is the only game I've seen yet that looks like something the Gamecube would have to do at half the framerate with much lower-res textures. Smash Bros. Brawl is probably the only other one, but we haven't seen as much of it.

The Gamecube add-on thing would be great for us and not too much of a different, but the general public does not own cubes. Nintendo needs to improve their product and repackage it with a different philosophy, which is exactly what they're doing. Otherwise, having a gamecube add-on remote would only be viable for gamecube owners, of course. It wouldn't be reaching Nintendo's new (and infinitely wide) target audience.

 

[Johnas]

512 MB internal.

Thanks, that looks familiar now that I see it.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Anyway, Wifi is not worth $100... because Microsoft put some arbitrary price on it, doesn't mean much except that they're ripping customers off. Why would it be ok if someone else did that too?

I didn't expect my words to carry so much weight.

I was just throwing out items included with the Wii and comparing them to items other companies have out right now. Wireless internet and controller comes to $150 on the Xbox. The raw parts may be closer to $50, I don't really know. The Wii also has that nunchuck thing, I don't know how much that is worth, and that 512 MB flashcard thing. I was just breaking down the price of these perks and showing that the Wii is not really a rip-off at $230.

I still don't think we'll be paying a penny more than $199, though. I don't want to pay $30 more!

 

[John Harker]

Shog: Did you chime in about the specs in the original article yet?

 

[Cheesemeister]

I'll happily pay an extra $30 for the ability to play imports, but not out of the goodness of my heart. I'm still on the fence. There's your free market research.

 

[BobTheFork]

Well since being small and quiet has absolutely no impact on my games, unless it's a portable, they gotta do much more to justify a price that was too expensive. Not that $230 is too absurd or anything in the first place, but it's a bit overpriced for what it offers. I'm not complaining though, just explaining why trying to compare what some package at $230 is value wise vs. 360/PS3 at $400+ value wise is a slippery slope.

True, but 'new' technology getting the price bump. Nintendo's breaking in tech that people are unfamilar with, so they can charge more.

 

[Ganondorf>Link]

Wii Sports. $49.99

You ain't gettin no fing games with the Wii. Best shot is begging Nintendo for a demo disc. Which i don't think they will do either for some reason.

Well thats bull****. Wii Sports shouldn't cost anymore than $29.99. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the game won't do anywhere near as good as Brain Age in USA if it costs that much.

 

[Mr.Ressetti]

I see a lock.

 

[Amir0x]

I was just throwing out items included with the Wii and comparing them to items other companies have out right now. Wireless internet and controller comes to $150 on the Xbox. The raw parts may be closer to $50, I don't really know. The Wii also has that nunchuck thing, I don't know how much that is worth, and that 512 MB flashcard thing. I was just breaking down the price of these perks and showing that the Wii is not really a rip-off at $230.

I still don't think we'll be paying a penny more than $199, though. I don't want to pay $30 more!

512MB of flash is also super cheap, seriously dirt territory.

Anyway, Wii has a distinctive value... and at a certain price, it's a "good" value. I believe $230 is not at that price yet. But, it's still cheap enough where it's not worth complaining about.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

Well since being small and quiet has absolutely no impact on my games, unless it's a portable, they gotta do much more to justify a price that was too expensive. Not that $230 is too absurd or anything in the first place, but it's a bit overpriced for what it offers.

And I still think you're over-reacting for this so called "what it offers" argument. Like others have said, you're getting:
-Wireless online--$100
-Free online--usually $50
-New technology controller--$50-60
-a system with a bit mroe power than an Xbox-$80

Seems a pretty fair deal if you ask me.

EDIT: Not that I'm saying you're bugging me about it, I'm jsut trying to prove that $230 seems like a daamn good price for what you get. Take no offense.

 

[Illuminati]

Well since being small and quiet has absolutely no impact on my games, unless it's a portable, they gotta do much more to justify a price that was too expensive. Not that $230 is too absurd or anything in the first place, but it's a bit overpriced for what it offers. I'm not complaining though, just explaining why trying to compare what some package at $230 is value wise vs. 360/PS3 at $400+ value wise is a slippery slope.

Well judging by how much the power the 360 uses and how much heat it gives off you should be happy with what Nintendo has done with the Wii in those areas. Chances are at least you won't have to ship your console back a few weeks or months later due to a overheating graphics or processor chip.



... At least I hope.

 

[Amir0x]

And I still think you're over-reacting for this so called "what it offers" argument. Like others have said, you're getting:
-Wireless online--$100
-Free online--usually $50
-New technology controller--$50-60
-a system with a bit mroe power than an Xbox-$80

Seems a pretty fair deal if you ask me.

Wireless online = not worth even close to $100, regardless of what MS decided to rip customers off with
Free online = not worth shit if it sucks, ala DS Wifi
New Tech controller = ok, uhm, that's what they're charging us, not what they cost to make
A system with a bit more power than Xbox - exactly :lol

 

[MrPing1000]

And I still think you're over-reacting for this so called "what it offers" argument. Like others have said, you're getting:
-Wireless online--$100
-Free online--usually $50
-New technology controller--$50-60
-a system with a bit mroe power than an Xbox-$80

Seems a pretty fair deal if you ask me.

EDIT: Not that I'm saying you're bugging me about it, I'm jsut trying to prove that $230 seems like a daamn good price for what you get. Take no offense.

*repeats Amir0x* Just because Microsoft charged $100 for its wireless adapter does not mean wireless = $100

*Amir0x is too fast *

 

[DECK'ARD]

$229 is a reasonable compromise.

Especially if they bundle an extra remote or the classic controller. Going back to 2 controllers like the SNES days would be a great move, and fit with their concept+logo, but the expense of the remote probably rules that out.

 

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Well we know it's roughly more powerful whether we've been seeing that yet or not. Mario Galaxy is the only game I've seen yet that looks like something the Gamecube would have to do at half the framerate with much lower-res textures. Smash Bros. Brawl is probably the only other one, but we haven't seen as much of it.

The Gamecube add-on thing would be great for us and not too much of a different, but the general public does not own cubes. Nintendo needs to improve their product and repackage it with a different philosophy, which is exactly what they're doing. Otherwise, having a gamecube add-on remote would only be viable for gamecube owners, of course. It wouldn't be reaching Nintendo's new (and infinitely wide) target audience.

I know their reason for doing it but I'm having a hard time swallowing the fact that they want me pay that much money for tech I already own. I'd just like some other option where it doesn't feel like I'm being raped.


I know it won't happen though...

 

[gutter_trash]

we shall see how free their online really is, enter the Virtual Console where they will charge you GBA full price cart prices for their NES classics (remember the GBA price gauging era of classic games?)

 

[Gigglepoo]

I see a lock.

Only if you continue to post off topic comments.

Nintendo is a very smart company who knows how to make money. You know how the GC bombed? Nintendo still made a tidy profit on it. They will not jeopardize early sales especially during the critical holiday season. The most interesting part of this rumor story is the number of units expected to ship this year. Nintendo is banking on the Wii taking off like the NDS. They clearly have a card or two hidden that we don't know about yet. Let's not rip the (high) rumored price until we know what's going to be included, what the PS3 and X360 will be countering with, and how much other Wii accessories/games are going to cost.

 

[VOOK]

GAF is a bunch of cheapskates, bitching over $30 bucks :lol :lol :lol

Call 9-1-1 and get the

 

[elostyle]

If all else fails, it's gotta be the brand premium.

*runs*

 

[Polari]

Personally I'm more interested in the new controller than I am 360's NEW IMPROVED graphics. $229 sounds like a good deal to me.

 

[Chris Remo]

because you ARE paying for the technology, and what is in these systems ARE worth $400+... what is in Wii technologically is worth less than 200

I'm sorry that systems aren't sold based on "fun points" or some shit though :lol

Well... they are. This price confirms that. If Nintendo doesn't sell enough units at this price, then I guess you'll be right (although presumably you're talking specifically about graphics and CPU technology). If Nintendo does sell enough at this price, clearly people aren't paying for the technology. There is no such thing as absolute value, it's just how much value a product presents to a person.

 

[Amir0x]

Well... they are. This price confirms that. If Nintendo doesn't sell enough units at this price, then I guess you'll be right (although presumably you're talking specifically about graphics and CPU technology). If Nintendo does sell enough at this price, clearly people aren't paying for the technology. There is no such thing as absolute value, it's just how much value a product presents to a person.

There is only factual value based on parts - what you're talking about is what people will pay for, which by extension is the absolute value any business can decide to charge for their product. Doesn't make it a good value.

 

[Illuminati]

I know their reason for doing it but I'm having a hard time swallowing the fact that they want me pay that much money for tech I already own. I'd just like some other option where it doesn't feel like I'm being raped.


I know it won't happen though...

Just think of all the people who bought DS Lites when they already own the DS. That should help ease the pain.

 

[Chris Remo]

There is only factual value based on parts - what you're talking about is what people will pay for, which by extension is the absolute value any business can decide to charge for their product. Doesn't make it a good value.

Good value based on what? Based on parts? That only matters to somebody for whom "parts" are an important part of the equation (this likely includes you). They are only one part of the cost Nintendo expended on the machine, however, and only one facet of the enjoyment people will derive from the machine.

 

[fallout]

Still to this day I don't understand why Nintendo could not have made the system a beast like the 360 or PS3, sell it for 299 with the Wii remote, and I'd buy it without thinking twice. But knowing the specs... eh. I'll still buy it since Nintendo makes my favorite games, and the controller concept intrigues me to no end (VR and bullshit like that), but blah. I'm buying a 360 to accomdate my Wii since I'm not sure how long I can stand the GameCube+ graphics.

I'm reasonably certain that if Nintendo had tried to go head to head with Microsoft and Sony with the Revolution, we probably wouldn't see a Nintendo console next gen.

 

[Amir0x]

Good value based on what? Based on parts? That only matters to somebody for whom "parts" are an important part of the equation (this likely includes you). They are only one part of the cost Nintendo expended on the machine, however, and only one facet of the enjoyment people will derive from the machine.

Yes, based on parts. If a company can sell something worth $100 for $600, more power to them - but the value is still a joke then. Because there are dumb consumers, or consumers that feel they'd pay anything, does not mean that the objective value is anything but shit in that case. Obviously, this is an extreme example but the center is clear.

Of course, I'm talking to a society that'd pay 600 dollars for brand name glasses that cost 80 bucks to make

 

[Gigglepoo]

Good value based on what? Based on parts? That only matters to somebody for whom "parts" are an important part of the equation (this likely includes you). They are only one part of the cost Nintendo expended on the machine, however, and only one facet of the enjoyment people will derive from the machine.

It isn't completely unheard of for people to buy systems based on the "parts" found within. You know those people who think the $600 PS3 pricepoint is fair? It's because Blu Ray players cost $1000 on their own. It's easier to swallow higher-than-expected prices if you analyze what you're getting. "A video game system for $229? I already have one of those!"