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[Aeana]

Too long, didn't read version of the Top Trends "Destroying Gaming".

I don't know how you can get "diversity" from what's actually written in the text for #9. It's not like they stopped making characters like Marcus Fenix or anything.

 

[Thrilltacular]

4. Too Human Syndrome
Quote:
Lesson learned: there are few things as needlessly arrogant as announcing a trilogy before the first game is out the door. Too Human, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, Gears of War and Half-Life 2 Episodes, we're looking straight at you. Speaking frankly, look – there's nothing wrong with ambition. You want to make an epic, sprawling universe? That's totally fine. But start with getting the first game right and then let the market decide if it actually wants a sequel, let alone a trilogy. If your team is stuck under the thumb of three games in a row, you're looking at potentially between five and ten years of development time – which means you might be spanning two console generations – or more.

Half-Life 2 DEFINITELY doesn't belong on this list and the episodes are more than warranted.

 

[Azure J]

This article is amazing. The pieces about the mascots getting worn out and female leads was hilarious. Good job with the trolling IGN. :lol

EDIT - Andrex wins this round. :lol

 

[VOOK]

Please don't think all video game media is bad in Australia guys

 

[EMBee99]

"You know what I think? Games need more sparks. There are three games that don't have sparks and I'm going to list them now: Boom Blox, Beyond Good and Evil, and Wii Sports."

 

[clemenx]

1. games journalism
2. games journalism
3. games journalism
4. games journalism
5. games journalism
6. games journalism
7. games journalism
8. games journalism
9. games journalism
10. fanboys discussing gaming journalism in gaming boards

fixed

 

[dralla]

Faith and Elika were the 2 best female characters of the year, easily. Are they seriously lumping them into the same category as Lara Croft?

 

[fernoca]

How does this define any of the characters they cited as blasé? Elika, Alyx, Faith, Samus, the Boss? I mean, it basically only applies to Lara and the Bloodrayne chick. And who cares about the Bloodrayne chick.

I already said it in the post, heck even the article says:

It's about boobs and ass and forced sexual equality. It's manipulative, in fact. She might be 'one of the boys', but she's still eye-candy and catwalk-perfect.

Is like they have to either put big breasts or a cleavage or a big ass..on the female lead, instead of just making a ..normal/average woman. .something that was done right in some of the Metroid games, but then they decided to sexy-fy her..in the original it was understandable kinda, because they wanted to show that the main character was a woman, it was the whole twist..but in later games, just showing her in the tight blue clothes, on her back....and/or with really short pants, is maybe why is on the "article"....when there's no actual need in the first place to show her like that.

But as I say, the article still sucks..so no big deal.

 

[rollingstart]

How about bad video game site cliches: getting a hot busty girl licking a game console?

cliche? that was a job interview

 

[EatChildren]

Who the fuck wrote this and how do they have a job?

Jesus fucking Christ I hate game journalism.

 

[Brobzoid]

regarding the 1st one; didn't ign originate the whole 'oscar worthy' debacle?

 

[Aeana]

I already said it in the post, heck even the article says:

Is like they have to either put big breasts or a cleavage or a big ass..on the male lead, instead of just making a ..normal/avergae woman. .something that was done right in some of the Metroid games, but then they decided to sexy-fy her..in the original it was understandable kinda, because they wanted to show that the main character was a woman, it was the whole twist..but in later games, just showing her in the tight blue clothes, on her back....and/or with really short pants, is maybe why is on the "article"....when there's no actual need in the first place to show her like that.

But as I say, the article still sucks..so no big deal.

Have you even played any of the games with the characters Kev listed? None of them are overtly sexualized at all. I mean, seriously: The Boss? Did you really find that MGS3 focused on her breasts? No, these are the kind of characters that gaming needs, and I think it's ridiculous to say that they should go away.

 

[grandjedi6]

Crappy list as expected, though with some things that are true (like the whole trilogy thing)..


Actually, I think he's talking about..how in many/recent games, they just put a female character lead , just for the sake of: pleasing the "OMG boobs" crowd and to not be considered as "sexist"...instead of putting female leads that are ..just normal. That the devs don't rely in showing the lead in bathing suit, or with a cleavage or with a skimpy suit, just because she's woman...

Basically, you could change that character with a random male lead and the game would be exactly the same, except that they wouldn't show the male lead on speedos of giggling his ass on the screen, neither the close-up to his package.

That's why the title said: STRONG FEMALE LEAD CHARACTER = EDGY, CLEVER AND DESIRABLE

Imagine if Sony promoted Uncharted, with Nathan as: desirable? With magazine covers of Nathan naked covered in leaves, or shirtless with rain and dirt covering his body..

Spoiler

like the Tomb Raider Underworld ads

?? ..

There's no need to make "sexy" female leads..when they have no problem in making "average" male leads..

Nathan = handsome & rugged = attractive

When people go to see movies or play games, they don't expect (usually) to see/play ugly people. Its a fantasy, its a game. Its suppose to play to our dreams, including attrativeness. So a certain amount of beauty in characters is expected, like Nathan being handsome instead of fat and Faith being attractive instead of ugly. It's where people go to far along these lines that the stupidity beings. There is a fine line between acceptable attractiveness and "OMG LOOK AT THOSE BEWBS!!" Of course this article has proceeded to call all female leads as cliche'd for no reason other than that they are female. Stupidity at its finest

 

[Y2Kev]

I already said it in the post, heck even the article says:

Is like they have to either put big breasts or a cleavage or a big ass..on the male lead, instead of just making a ..normal/avergae woman. .something that was done right in some of the Metroid games, but then they decided to sexy-fy her..in the original it was understandable kinda, because they wanted to show that the main character was a woman, it was the whole twist..but in later games, just showing her in the tight blue clothes, on her back....and/or with really short pants, is maybe why is on the "article"....when there's no actual need in the first place to show her like that.

But as I say, the article still sucks..so no big deal.

I understand what you said. But none of the characters I gave you have big breasts or cleavage or a big ass. Elika, Alyx, Faith, Samus, the Boss-- these are not exaggerated women. I don't understand your argument. How is the Boss or Alyx "catwalk perfect"? They look like women.

 

[Flavius]

9. STRONG BLACK LEAD CHARACTER = EDGY, CLEVER AND DESIRABLE

Quote:
Well, sometimes this is the case – Jade from Beyond Good & Evil, Carl Johnson from GTA: San Andreas and Michael Jackson from Moonwalker all spring to mind; even your agent character from Crackdown – sometimes stoic, always tough and entertaining. But lately, there's been a resurgence in the 'strong black lead character' category, and we get the feeling that this isn't about racial harmony or civil rights. It's about fairness and equality and forced desegregation. It's manipulative, in fact. He or she might be 'one of the boys', but he or she's still black.


This is your fault.

I said WOW.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

cliche? that was a job interview

Licking the console in a sexual manner.

Obviously that was all the article writer had to do to get his position.

 

[Pimpbaa]

I already said it in the post, heck even the article says:

Is like they have to either put big breasts or a cleavage or a big ass..on the female lead, instead of just making a ..normal/average woman. .something that was done right in some of the Metroid games, but then they decided to sexy-fy her..in the original it was understandable kinda, because they wanted to show that the main character was a woman, it was the whole twist..but in later games, just showing her in the tight blue clothes, on her back....and/or with really short pants, is maybe why is on the "article"....when there's no actual need in the first place to show her like that.

But as I say, the article still sucks..so no big deal.

Samus was clearly defined as being sexy in the 2nd metroid game.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

What you fail to understand is that the videogame industry is a fragile young medium. There was a time when it was very possible that video games would simply go away. For people who remember this period, it is very important that video games establish a foothold in the popular imagination. Even if the video game industry never suffers another crash, it is very possible that like comic books, it could be seen as an irrelevant, niche industry for children and man-children. A lot of people don't want to see that happen, as it would have a corrosive affect on the breadth, depth, and quality of video games available. So having games like Wii Sports and Wii Fit, which appeal to mainstream audiences serves to advance the shared goals of the industry. These titles increase the financial strength of the industry by bringing in more people while appealing to the exact audience that would be the first to criticize and marginalize the video game industry. And while you may not like these games, wiser gaming enthusiasts realize that we all benefit from an industry that can support a greater variety of genres and appeal to a greater number of people.

This.

 

[duckroll]

Is like they have to either put big breasts or a cleavage or a big ass..on the male lead, instead of just making a ..normal/avergae woman. .something that was done right in some of the Metroid games, but then they decided to sexy-fy her..in the original it was understandable kinda, because they wanted to show that the main character was a woman, it was the whole twist..but in later games, just showing her in the tight blue clothes, on her back....and/or with really short pants, is maybe why is on the "article"....when there's no actual need in the first place to show her like that.

So they have to either put big breasts or a cleavage or a big ass on a character that would otherwise seem male? That doesn't sound remotely like most of the female characters listed. It's most definitely not Faith, Alyx or The Boss. What is it about them that seem male to you? Where is the ass or cleavage that sticks out in every scene? Do they look radically different from the women you know or the ones you see on the street? Come on now...

 

[Pimpbaa]

Nathan = handsome & rugged = attractive

It's alright to have a good looking male lead. But to have an attractive female lead, that is sexist. The feminist agenda at work!

 

[VaLiancY]

Wow, I try to add something constructive to all my post but that was a pretty horrible article. The one about the female leads hit me hard because I think the industry has turned a leaf relating to that.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

It's alright to have a good looking male lead. But to have an attractive female lead, that is sexist. The feminist agenda at work!

Gears of War is pushing this industry forward. CliffyB is a modern day MLK. No wonder he won Time's Man of the Year.

 

[fernoca]

I understand what you said. But none of the characters I gave you have big breasts or cleavage or a big ass. Elika, Alyx, Faith, Samus, the Boss-- these are not exaggerated women. I don't understand your argument. How is the Boss or Alyx "catwalk perfect"? They look like women.

Just general, I'm not dissecting the examples provided one by one, since the article overall is badly written....

As I said in my original post, it was just an assumption on what the original article is trying to say in that part, since the wording and examples provided on it contradict each other.

 

[Vinci]

Actually, I think we should all have kame-sennin's quote from above kept somewhere for any and all future needs. It's really a helluva good post and answers most of the stupidity in this industry and its periphery.

 

[Brobzoid]

This article is really offensive. is ign on a whole this shitty? I mean, there are never threads posted about ign articles unless they are total trash so I am not really all that exposed to their daily writing...

 

[Dragona Akehi]

9. STRONG FEMALE LEAD CHARACTER = EDGY, CLEVER AND DESIRABLE

You know what? Fuck you IGN.

 

[duckroll]

It's alright to have a good looking male lead. But to have an attractive female lead, that is sexist. The feminist agenda at work!

Nah, I don't think that's what he's saying at all. The article is really saying that it's okay to have an attractive female lead, but let's be realistic here - Women should be in the fucking kitchen or working in a school/kindergarden/clothing store. Stop trying to make them look like one of the boys by doing physical things and shit. Cooking Mama = approved; Mirror's Edge = bad bad bad! RAWR!

Amirite IGN?

 

[CartridgeBlower]

What most people don't get is IGN doesn't care if you agree or not. Hell, they want the exact reaction they got out of you -- you posted their article on the most popular gaming forum and probably got it more hits than it was already getting.

Outraged or not, you fell for it.

And IGN knows that. They're not stupid. No one is writing that list to change the world. They are writing it to get a reaction out of people (good or bad) and get them hits.

Mission accomplished. Lesson learned? Don't fall for it and just ignore it.

 

[Buckethead]

Fuck them. I want 300 Assassin's Creed games.

Hey IGN you forgot:
Gaming Cliche #1: Assuming the first game in the series will blow everything away. If I remember correctly it was GTA "3" that revolutionized games with the open world style of game.

Fuckkk youuuuu. And fuck Spence D from the music section. Ignorant fuckstick.

Spoiler

Fuck

 

[Spire]

What most people don't get is IGN doesn't care if you agree or not. Hell, they want the exact reaction they got out of you -- you posted their article on the most popular gaming forum and probably got it more hits than it was already getting.

Outraged or not, you fell for it.

And IGN knows that. They're not stupid. No one is writing that list to change the world. They are writing it to get a reaction out of people (good or bad) and get them hits.

Mission accomplished. Lesson learned? Don't fall for it and just ignore it.

Actually mission unaccomplished since the entire article was copied and pasted in this thread and nobody actually went to the site.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Nah, I don't think that's what he's saying at all. The article is really saying that it's okay to have an attractive female lead, but let's be realistic here - Women should be in the fucking kitchen or working in a school/kindergarden/clothing store. Stop trying to make them look like one of the boys by doing physical things and shit. Cooking Mama = approved; Mirror's Edge = bad bad bad! RAWR!

Amirite IGN?

I was more referring to what grandjedi6 said. I'm still trying to grasp what ign is trying to say with that one. I mean, are they asking for games to all become sausage fests?

 

[Son of Godzilla]

What most people don't get is IGN doesn't care if you agree or not. Hell, they want the exact reaction they got out of you -- you posted their article on the most popular gaming forum and probably got it more hits than it was already getting.

Outraged or not, you fell for it.

And IGN knows that. They're not stupid. No one is writing that list to change the world. They are writing it to get a reaction out of people (good or bad) and get them hits.

Mission accomplished. Lesson learned? Don't fall for it and just ignore it.

The TOS should clearly be revised to ban linking to IGN articles.

 

[Brobzoid]

What most people don't get is IGN doesn't care if you agree or not. Hell, they want the exact reaction they got out of you -- you posted their article on the most popular gaming forum and probably got it more hits than it was already getting.

Outraged or not, you fell for it.

And IGN knows that. They're not stupid. No one is writing that list to change the world. They are writing it to get a reaction out of people (good or bad) and get them hits.

Mission accomplished. Lesson learned? Don't fall for it and just ignore it.

ign isn't writing for people like us. Their main base is 13 year old boys, same with gamespot. I don't really think they care whether we click on their links or not, enough children will either way.

 

[Mileena]

agreed with #10 #6 and #7

everything else was just stupid.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

You know what? Fuck you IGN.

Couldn't say it better myself

How appropriate that your avatar is from a franchise that is probably the best when it comes to strong female leads that maintains visual appeal with a full set of armor.

 

[fernoca]

What most people don't get is *** doesn't care if you agree or not. Hell, they want the exact reaction they got out of you -- you posted their article on the most popular gaming forum and probably got it more hits than it was already getting.

Outraged or not, you fell for it.

And *** knows that. They're not stupid. No one is writing that list to change the world. They are writing it to get a reaction out of people (good or bad) and get them hits.

Mission accomplished. Lesson learned? Don't fall for it and just ignore it.

That's another thing..
*** sucks..but lets posts threads about them...
VG Cats sucks..but lets post their weekly comics...

In the end the OP is doing them a favor since in some way is generating interest towards them, even when it's just hate mail.

EDIT:
Why are they banned in my reply, but not in eveyrone's else? :lol :lol

 

[Kaako]

1. Metacritic

Nailed it with the first response. The major companies are putting major emphasis on their software's Metacritic score. There is pressure on the PR people, which makes them do questionable things which lead to questionable "reviews/previews."

 

[brandonh83]

Oh my god this thread is like watching a kid get beaten up at recess :lol

 

[SimpleDesign]

AWESOME :lol

It's about time!

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Hell yeah, does that mean that *** is banned from our lexicon?

Edit: Yes it is

 

[flarkminator]

...But alongside those two comes Alyx Vance (Half-Life 2),...

YOU NEVER GET TO WRITE ANYTHING EVER AGAIN

Fuck you, fuck you so much and so hard that it rips a hole in the fabric of space and time and you a sucked into this fucktimehole and you are visited upon by a thousand million Dennis Dyack interviews.

 

[Buckethead]

*** isn't writing for people like us. Their main base is 13 year old boys, same with gamespot. I don't really think they care whether we click on their links or not, enough children will either way.

Yes, but just like Hollywood, you don't pander to broad audiences and children.

If you do, you get the money that the studio desperately craves but at the same time weaken the industry as a whole. Since when did people try to be average? I thought it was about raising the bar, not barely reaching the bar?

It's pandering to the lowest common denominator and it's stupid, especially considering America's youth is 400x dumber than they were 15 years ago thanks to the internet...

YOU NEVER GET TO WRITE ANYTHING EVER AGAIN

Fuck you, fuck you so much and so hard that it rips a hole in the fabric of space and time and you a sucked into this fucktimehole and you are visited upon by a thousand million Dennis Dyack interviews.

Alyx Vance = Awesome Female Character. One of the best. AKA.... I love you.

 

[Zombie James]

Holy shit, did *** just get banned from GAF?

edit: It did :lol

 

[rollingstart]

is *** censored now? it's full of stars

 

[Spire]

Yes Virginia, this article really was bad enough to warrant *** getting banned on Neogaf.

 

[DogWelder]

Wow, yay, *** is banned. Only Kotaku to go.

(Though I'm guilty of linking to them in the past).

 

[Stitch]

hey i'm seeing stars

 

[Chris R]

Wow, *** now word filters to ***

 

[Brobzoid]

*** banned?

how long is this list now anyways? plus we now have at least two three letter words that are banned.

 

[Haunted]

***

***

oh my god! Fucking awesome. *tears of joy*