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i know it ain't reasonable for the reasons posted, but gawt dayum something has to happen eventually. guess we can hope for is a collapse from within, after which seoul may get wiped out anyway for spite.

What I think will happen is the divide between information society and them will grow wider every month, and that will eventually collapse them. As more and more countries enjoy the likes of Uber, Amazon, Google, Clash of Clans, Airbnb and Netflix, there is no information economy in DPRK. It will eventually crush them. Although the fact that they have no gas (no cars on roads or fields) might gret them first.
 
We said as a collective society we would never allow this to happen after WW2.


Why is this going on? Every nation should be assaulting them at the gates. This is a holocaust. 2+ million million in camps. Who knows what the death rate is at that this point!
 
How is that country supposed to collapse? I mean, if it hasn't for 70 years...

We said as a collective society we would never allow this to happen after WW2.


Why is this going on? Every nation should be assaulting them at the gates. This is a holocaust. 2+ million million in camps. Who knows what the death rate is at that this point!

I've heard that basically every country in the region wants to keep North Korea there. China wants a buffer between themselves and South Korea, SK vice versa, etc.
 
i know it ain't reasonable for the reasons posted, but gawt dayum something has to happen eventually. guess all we can hope for is a collapse from within, after which seoul may get wiped out anyway.

I think the only military solution would be a sucker punch. The US would have to strategically hit as many of NK's bases, artillery stations and compounds as it can all within like a 30 minute window. Hundreds of thousands of civilians would die in NK and SK would still suffer losses too. I think that's the only way to limit casualties. Is it worth it? Probably not. The UN wouldn't like that. China wouldn't like that. Our own people probably wouldn't like that.

The only reason we're so buddy buddy with other communist countries like China is because of the trade.
 
The sad thing is, not many of these criminals will ever face justice. When North Korea eventually collapses / opens, and it will, they will be rehabilitated to thr general population. This stuff is not unlike Cambodia in the Pol Pot era. In fact, the brutality is eerily similar. Most of those guards now drive your cabs in Phnom Penh.

It's funny that we're shitting on China for propping up North Korea, when the US did the same thing with the Pol Pot regime because of their proximity to Vietnam.
 
People asking the question of why won't Korea/US do anything look at a damn map of where North Korea is in relation to South Korea. Now add in the fact N.Korea has nukes plural. If North Korea wanted they could wipe S.Korea off the map. Not to mention they can straight up bombard most of N.Korea with conventional weaponry and do massive damage by hitting all their cities.

Then if N.Korea wipes out S.Korea, everyone will irrationally be demanding the US nuke N.Korea in retaliation which defeats the entire damn purpose of trying to save the people of N.Korea in the first place.
 
We said as a collective society we would never allow this to happen after WW2.


Why is this going on? Every nation should be assaulting them at the gates. This is a holocaust. 2+ million million in camps. Who knows what the death rate is at that this point!

World doesn't give a shit. We have North Korea, ISIS, Al Shabab and Mexican cartels committing massive crimes against humanity. And who knows what China, Russia and USA are doing when we are not watching. We live in an age where economic upside rules the day, not a battle for human values. The best you can do is try to understand it all, and teach the next generation.
 
We said as a collective society we would never allow this to happen after WW2.


Why is this going on? Every nation should be assaulting them at the gates. This is a holocaust. 2+ million million in camps. Who knows what the death rate is at that this point!

Why is this going on? That's actually pretty simple. Because North Korea doesn't attack anybody else. As long as a state only oppresses and kills his own citizens nobody gives a shit. "They don't hurt us, we don't give a shit". That's the mentality. Once they would attack South Korea they would be gone in no time.
Same thing happened back in the soviet union. Nobody cared that Stalin killed millions of people. Hitler however attacked and invaded other countries, so the world reacted.
 
That's really horrible... Why humanity is so fucked up sometimes?

I know its fantasty but when I see stuff like this it makes me wish I had.......power. Real power. Not like a president of a country, like a godlike super being.



I would rain hell and destruction upon anyone responsible for such horrible atrocities

Me too bro', me too.
 
because there are only two possibilities: a pro China NK and a pro America NK.

The Chinese don't want another country with US military bases. I unterstand them but that's not an excuse to support such a horrific regime.

Wait, that's the reason?
Seems quite little considering what country they're supporting.
 
Wow, those images... haunting and unforgettable. There's a special place in hell for those running and doing these things.
 
Wait, that's the reason?
Seems quite little considering what country they're supporting.

Let's not forget that - despite the current economic ties between China and the US - China and NK are on Team Commie and USA and SK are on Team Freedom+Apple Pie. China is still looking to counter American power in their region, and NK falling would put America right on their border. They'll never want that.
 
We laugh when others are hurt.
We say wrong if they don't hurt us but affect our view.
No one cares about each other.
Just lies birthed in frailty and fear.
 
The "clock torture" seems almost comically cruel. How did they even come up with that? And man, imagine how stressful it would be to have contort yourself to a certain time, especially when you're pregnant and incredibly fatigued. I would imagine it's probably really difficult to even visualize the times they're shouting at you. I wonder if they just execute anyone who "fails?"
 
The "easiest" solutions are either a coup from the inside (and if a famine in the 1990s couldn't do anything, I'm not sure what would) or China finally relenting and not propping them up, which also seems unrealistic. None of those solutions seem viable in the near future.

I think the only resolution in North Korea is for NK to just go to far and China to just end them.
 
China not wanting a US ally on their border is not the primary reason for the propping up. I think they are just as scared as south korea as to what happens when the state fails and millions of uneducated refugees who don't speak the language come across the border. There have been reports in China of North Koreans crossing the border and killing Chinese people for food. Even a country like China is not equipped to handle a mass immigration. I am starting to think the only thing that can really change the situation is an internal coup with a strong man or woman directing a gradual return to the world of the 21st century.
 
This is basically a concentration camp. Don't know how we can ignore this like we did initially with the ones in Germany. So fucked
 
Jesus...

In regards to the treatment of pregnant women (not the torture-tainment); why would they bother to terminate the baby before ultimately killing the mother? Fucking horrible...
 
I have family on the north side and I'm hoping against hope that they didn't end up in such fucked up situations. To have witnessed these things before you even hit a double digit age is unthinkable.
 
i know it ain't reasonable for the reasons posted, but gawt dayum something has to happen eventually. guess all we can hope for is a collapse from within, after which seoul may get wiped out anyway.

In the year 2013, one year after the death of North Korean supreme leader Kim Jong-il, his son and successor, Kim Jong-un, reunites North and South Korea to form the Greater Korean Republic (GKR), a technological and economic global power that utilizes the military strength of the North and the economic strength of the South. By the year 2015, a war between Iran and Saudi Arabia, both becoming nuclear-armed states, devastated the global oil supply, causing gas prices to skyrocket to $19.99 per gallon, leaving many countries in debt and causing mass hysteria. This precipitates extreme economic turmoil and massive social unrest in the United States. Subsequently, in 2017, the U.S. military recalls much of its overseas presence, particularly in the Pacific. A year later, Japan, significantly weakened due to the diminishing of the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty, is easily conquered by the GKR and joins the Greater Korean Republic as a satellite country.

In 2022, conditions in the United States get worse, with the collapse of the financial system and an Asian bird flu epidemic that claims six million lives, forcing the Mexican government to quarantine the country by setting up immigration quotas as the Asian bird flu continues throughout North America. By 2024, Korea's annexation has continued throughout Southeast Asia, including its emerging economic powers, giving the GKR an empire reminiscent of Imperial Japan. Finally, in 2025, the Greater Korean Republic launched a supposed advanced GPS satellite that would be a signal of peace, but is actually an orbital weapon that detonated a high-altitude nuclear device over the U.S.
 
I've read Escape from Camp 14 and The Aquariums of Pyongyang. Very heartbreaking books. :( Some of these should be required reading. Never take your freedom for granted.

^ LOL wtf
 
In the year 2013, one year after the death of North Korean supreme leader Kim Jong-il, his son and successor, Kim Jong-un, reunites North and South Korea to form the Greater Korean Republic (GKR), a technological and economic global power that utilizes the military strength of the North and the economic strength of the South. By the year 2015, a war between Iran and Saudi Arabia, both becoming nuclear-armed states, devastated the global oil supply, causing gas prices to skyrocket to $19.99 per gallon, leaving many countries in debt and causing mass hysteria. This precipitates extreme economic turmoil and massive social unrest in the United States. Subsequently, in 2017, the U.S. military recalls much of its overseas presence, particularly in the Pacific. A year later, Japan, significantly weakened due to the diminishing of the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty, is easily conquered by the GKR and joins the Greater Korean Republic as a satellite country.

In 2022, conditions in the United States get worse, with the collapse of the financial system and an Asian bird flu epidemic that claims six million lives, forcing the Mexican government to quarantine the country by setting up immigration quotas as the Asian bird flu continues throughout North America. By 2024, Korea's annexation has continued throughout Southeast Asia, including its emerging economic powers, giving the GKR an empire reminiscent of Imperial Japan. Finally, in 2025, the Greater Korean Republic launched a supposed advanced GPS satellite that would be a signal of peace, but is actually an orbital weapon that detonated a high-altitude nuclear device over the U.S.

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How else are the rich in N Korea getting their goods?
If the rich and affluent were uncomfortable, things would change much faster.

Check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–North_Korea_relations
They hold back their food aid and sell it for hard currency. Why do you think there are so many starving people in NK when the food aid should be able to feed them plenty times over. So with benevolent intentions, the South and the US are also propping up the regime.

The defector in the book The Aquariums of Pyongyang actually suggests cutting off all food aid as the most peaceful way to topple the NK regime. I would just myself in the "I don't know" category personally, it's a clusterfuck of a situation.
 
I hope to god we get North Korea straightened out before I die.

I know it's complicated, but dammit...do something.
 
I read the book escape from camp 17 and some of the stuff sounds spot on, especially the bit about executing pregnant women.wound't be surprised if everything here were true
 
In the year 2013, one year after the death of North Korean supreme leader Kim Jong-il, his son and successor, Kim Jong-un, reunites North and South Korea to form the Greater Korean Republic (GKR), a technological and economic global power that utilizes the military strength of the North and the economic strength of the South. By the year 2015, a war between Iran and Saudi Arabia, both becoming nuclear-armed states, devastated the global oil supply, causing gas prices to skyrocket to $19.99 per gallon, leaving many countries in debt and causing mass hysteria. This precipitates extreme economic turmoil and massive social unrest in the United States. Subsequently, in 2017, the U.S. military recalls much of its overseas presence, particularly in the Pacific. A year later, Japan, significantly weakened due to the diminishing of the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty, is easily conquered by the GKR and joins the Greater Korean Republic as a satellite country.

In 2022, conditions in the United States get worse, with the collapse of the financial system and an Asian bird flu epidemic that claims six million lives, forcing the Mexican government to quarantine the country by setting up immigration quotas as the Asian bird flu continues throughout North America. By 2024, Korea's annexation has continued throughout Southeast Asia, including its emerging economic powers, giving the GKR an empire reminiscent of Imperial Japan. Finally, in 2025, the Greater Korean Republic launched a supposed advanced GPS satellite that would be a signal of peace, but is actually an orbital weapon that detonated a high-altitude nuclear device over the U.S.

This sounds familiar. Is it Homefront?
 
If anyone wants to know more about the camps, this is a documentary that is about the experience of a camp escapee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUOHARC_Og

There is also a new documentary with smuggled footage from inside of NK from PBS which shows how people are no longer afraid to stand up to the authority and how the tone of North Koreans is changing. It also goes into how North Koreans don't really accept Kim Il Sung as a leader because of his young age. The documentary also shows some of the smuggling outside media into NK on flash drives to be sold on the black market and how due to that North Koreans have become more aware of the outside world. It was really interesting and I would highly recommend it to anyone interested: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/secret-state-of-north-korea/
 
The inhumane "punishments" that transpire within North Korean prison camps seem like the kind of gruesome and chilling practices you would read about in a history book, things you would hope remained buried in the distant past along with the rest of the acts that show how disgusting humanity can potentially be. And yet all most of us realistically can do is hope that they die quickly, and that their suffering meets an end sooner rather than later. Well, there's probably a bit more we could do, but it's easy for it to seem like a distant distraction that is out of sight and out of mind.
 
They're's gonna be a genocide of insane proportions uncovered when the North Korean government finally crumbles. This is far worse than most people can imagine.
 
If anyone wants to know more about the camps, this is a documentary that is about the experience of a camp escapee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUOHARC_Og


There is also a new documentary with smuggled footage from inside of NK from PBS which shows how people are no longer afraid to stand up to the authority and how the tone of North Koreans is changing. It also goes into how North Koreans don't really accept Kim Il Sung as a leader because of his young age. The documentary also shows some of the smuggling outside media into NK on flash drives to be sold on the black market and how due to that North Koreans have become more aware of the outside world. It was really interesting and I would highly recommend it to anyone interested: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/secret-state-of-north-korea/



"We are sorry but the video is not available in your area due to rights retricruons. "

Ironic?



Anyways this is god damn tragic I wish there was something I could do...
 
it's pretty chilling that all we have of this situation is eyewitness illustration, and secondhand report. all that brutality is going on right now in excess, completely unchecked, disconnected from the modern world.
 
This is just messed up, I'm sure there are individuals working in the government that are against this and could stop these atrocities but choose not take action and instead opts for self-preservation. Same with the civilians they have the power to change, but they would rather snitch on their fellow countrymen to get ahead. It's depressing...
 
If anyone wants to know more about the camps, this is a documentary that is about the experience of a camp escapee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUOHARC_Og

There is also a new documentary with smuggled footage from inside of NK from PBS which shows how people are no longer afraid to stand up to the authority and how the tone of North Koreans is changing. It also goes into how North Koreans don't really accept Kim Il Sung as a leader because of his young age. The documentary also shows some of the smuggling outside media into NK on flash drives to be sold on the black market and how due to that North Koreans have become more aware of the outside world. It was really interesting and I would highly recommend it to anyone interested: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/secret-state-of-north-korea/

I finished watching the PBS one (it's on YouTube for anyone outside of the US) just now. Good watch. I never quite knew how there are all these SK initiatives to kind of support and inform NK citizens. Some of the stuff really touched me.
 
Wait, that's the reason?
Seems quite little considering what country they're supporting.

He's partly right. It's not that China doesn't want "another" country with US military bases, it's that they don't want a country right on their doorstep to have US military bases. Right now we have military bases in Seoul (and other parts of South Korea). A unified Korea would mean military bases right on China's border.
 
As was mentiioned China's reluctance to cut off NK is primarily due to the fear of an unprecented influx of refugees into China if North Korea collapses. It is easier to get into China from NK as a refugee than into South Korea and it is already happening to very limited degree.
 
Spent about 5 minutes reading about Camp 22...

Yea, I need to go to bed, this shit is terrible. Why the international community isn't doing more is baffling. The scale is grand, it's as barbaric as we've ever seen in history, and yet we let it happen.

CountAntonius said:
When that regime falls and we discover the atrocities we are gonna wish we did something sooner.
 
Why does North Korea even have these camps, what's the point of it?

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It's the only way to keep totalitarian states in power. When people dissent... you arrest them or kill them.

Spent about 5 minutes reading about Camp 22...

Yea, I need to go to bed, this shit is terrible. Why the international community isn't doing more is baffling. The scale is grand, it's as barbaric as we've ever seen in history, and yet we let it happen.

It isn't baffling when you realize that an attack on NK means risking the safety of Seoul. I'm literally texting an ex from there right now. Your humanitarian dream of going in guns blazing would endanger a developed city of 10 million people.

I still say the people saying "why don't we do something" are generally ignorant of the history that led to the SK/NK situation (it's a stalemate from a war that never ended!), and are mapping schoolboy lessons from WWII onto a situation that is more like a hostage situation than an expansionist rogue state.

Forget the camps. All the western world would LOVE to eliminate the Kim regime. It's the raison d'être for South Korea's existence. NK aren't spared for reasons of apathy.... trust me.
 
Why does North Korea even have these camps, what's the point of it?

:(

It's a brutal dictatorship, they have to do away with/discourage any opposition.

t isn't baffling when you realize that an attack on NK means risking the safety of Seoul. I'm literally texting an ex from there right now. Your humanitarian dream of going in guns blazing would endanger a developed city of 10 million people.

I still say the people saying "why don't we do something" are generally ignorant of the history that led to the SK/NK situation, and are mapping schoolboy lessons from WWII onto a situation that is more like a hostage situation than an expansionist rogue state.

Forget the camps. All the western world would LOVE to eliminate the Kim regime. It's the raison d'être for South Korea's existence. NK aren't spared for apathy.... trust me.

To be fair the eventual approach to hostage situations is to take out the hostage taker.
 
Seoul (with a population of 10m) would be wiped off the face of the earth in the first couple hours of a war. It's only 35 miles from the DMZ.

That's why.
Well that's mostly sensationalism. US and SK airpower would quickly put an end to artillery shelling. NK is a political and diplomatic problem, not a military one.
 
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