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I'm disappointed with the MGSV news.
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Kojima's getting more and more obsessed with western games, the problem is he's looking at the wrong ones to motivate his game design. Western stealth series like Thief, Hitman and Splinter Cell have always had better and deeper stealth than MGS until this gen but it seems like he's looking at those recent games in those franchises as well as weird non-stealth games like GTA and TLoU for inspiration.
I was excited when he said he wanted to make an open world stealth game because it hasn't really been done before, and even an open world stealth game with MGS' traditional mechanics would have been intriguing at the very least. But this...this may as well be assassin's creed with modern guns. I hope their future showings are much improved.
pixlexic said:
What is....statements that did not apply to the vast majority of games and older franchises in this generation?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
You still have a radar who also shows all the tagged enemies...
shinobi602
Member
Play it on European Extreme and you'll have nothing of all that crap.
There's still the lack of Hayter though...
There's still the lack of Hayter though...
From the videos it's clear that the game is having a huge identity crisis, it look like a bad mishmash of so many games and genres, there is no vision or focus behind it, I'm not surprised really since Kojima clearly lost his touch after MGS3 because MGS4 and MGSW were very awful.
It's amazing that you were able to extrapolate all of this from a 12-minute tutorial.
fyi, genocide is a crime against humanity.
it's a wonder how they even made MGO with how completely broken the controls are.
or are you implying that because you didn't get "it", no one else should, and anyone that did is just a glutton for punishment.
also you know right analog moves the camera...right? because I would argue that resembles a "modern video game".
Dingo Egret
Banned
Same way I feel - and I'm a Metal Gear SUPER fan.
In addition, when is this even coming out? 2014 - 2015?!?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
It's really nowhere close to Splinter Cell.
This, game looks a bit rough but it's still way out. Most of the changes are for the better, MGS4 gameplay was a bit archaic
Lostconfused
Member
Did you actually play Blacklist? Because turns out that the final game isn't like the demo you saw. It's actually a rather fun stealth game, to everyone's shock and surprise. Your post is a great counter argument to the very argument you were trying to make.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Yeah, kinda makes me think IF I buy it unless the rest of the old cast is back
This might be the first MGS I play in Japanese.
The story stuff from the E3 trailer is pretty the only thing that got me hyped at all so far.
I actually don't care about gameplay much MG2SS as basic as it was is still my favorite.
Always-honest
Banned
I'm sure the game wil be great. But it does look a bit more like other games now.
Ground Zeroes will probably be out in the next few months. Phantom Pain is targeted for fiscal year 2015, so Holiday 2014 is probably the most likely option.
That dude is Newman. Mind blown.
ZeroMaverick
Member
It really hangs on one thing: Can we turn all that bullshit off?
If Kojima knows what's good for him, he'd let us turn it off. I've been playing Metal Gear Solid since I was 8! I don't need to see through walls and kill dudes in slow mo!
I was stung, right in the childhood, when they dropped Hayter, but if that "casual" bullshit is impossible to turn off, I might actually cry. I just want Metal Gear Solid. Don't alienate your true fans Kojima!
If Kojima knows what's good for him, he'd let us turn it off. I've been playing Metal Gear Solid since I was 8! I don't need to see through walls and kill dudes in slow mo!
I was stung, right in the childhood, when they dropped Hayter, but if that "casual" bullshit is impossible to turn off, I might actually cry. I just want Metal Gear Solid. Don't alienate your true fans Kojima!
Storm Raider
Banned
In MGS2 & 3 it was just SQUARE to shoot.. With R1 of you wanted it more precisely and you could strafe..
I don't know, maybe from playing south I got used to it.
BlazingRain
Banned
Still waiting for a return to MGS2-style gameplay.
"Modernizing" (read: Westernizing) the gameplay was never something I was particularly fond of.
"Modernizing" (read: Westernizing) the gameplay was never something I was particularly fond of.
Future PhaZe
Member
Was hoping we'd see more of the MGS4 direction. Stealth in open warfare had so much more potential in terms of A.I manipulation, having to make morally wrong choices in order to make stealth easier, hiding in plain sight, etc.
This footage here is SC:Blacklist thumbed down. I'll give Kojima the benefit of the doubt and will wait for more videos, but if the gameplay vids keep trending in this direction then people would be better served by just playing SC:Blacklist.
This footage here is SC:Blacklist thumbed down. I'll give Kojima the benefit of the doubt and will wait for more videos, but if the gameplay vids keep trending in this direction then people would be better served by just playing SC:Blacklist.
GalacticSushiman
Member
The dumbed down stealth does not annoy me as much as the very generic feeling I have from this video...
Vyse The Legend
Member
Watched the video, and yeah, that's Metal Gear alright. It has plenty of sneaking and moving bodies. It looks absolutely nothing like the new Splinter Cell. The slow-mo is the only offensive thing in there.
What? The stealth there looked the same as MGS4, sans octocamo: guards on patrol, using tranq gun to knock them out, moving bodies, etc.
Love the bold.
I welcome changes. It's 2013, you have to evolve to reach the broader audience and it sounds awesome.
PowderedToast
Junior Member
sry, i meant like in the earlier games. that doesn't exist, right?
also i recognise that my post sounded like a defence, didn't mean to, the TGS demo doesn't look very good to me at all
4 had it so right. maybe a teensy bit too easy, but so many systems to play with in a sandboxy, but designed environment. removal of octo camo seems like a regression to me
Icecold Derrick, icecold
I really just hope everything they've shown so far is available with "Very Easy" difficulty only - I mean that slow motion shot can take up to several seconds, way too much and besides it doesn't look impressive
Thats right.
FallingEdge
Member
How is tagging any different than what is going on now? Currently you have a radar and a vision cone.
Dingo Egret
Banned
That's about as lame as it gets.
By the time "The Phantom Pain" comes out - I will have long since been done with/lost interest in "Ground Zeroes" and my enthusiasm to play TPP will have nearly diminished after over a year of waiting.
Not a good move, Kojima Productions.
DerZuhälter
Member
How can u be disappointed with MGS V when it better driving than GTA V?
Devilgunman
Member
Also lack of details eg. footprints, tire tracks etc. I'm surprised not many complained about this.
These long gameplay videos give you a clear idea about were the game is going and what the focus (or lack of focus) people saw the same thing in the first demo of Hitman Absolution and Splinter Cell Blacklist and it wasn't changed later, it's same situation here, from trailers and videos it look like it's many things in a blender just to be that modern western cinematic game and far and away from MG/MGS original vision.
yeah and it wasn't good, not even in the same galaxy as Chaos Theory, super dumped down.
BlazingRain
Banned
Evolution is not always a good thing, and newer things are not always better than older things.
I tire of this notion that things are better by virtue of being newer.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
MGS4 already went 3rd person by default and worked towards bringing the controls up to snuff. Having full stamina/hunger in MGS3 regenerated health.
Strident moves in that direction are a good thing for me. Slow mo sounds fine. In MGS3 you could literally run right up to guards without sneaking, and CQC them to the ground into instant dizzy status, without them ever knowing you were there. A second or two of slow motion on top of that fundamental exploit is like a special effect and visual feedback.
Having a lifebar is inconsequential and eating "rations" to restore it is no great loss. Replaying the game for perfect stealth/zero alert no healing etc ranks, always made the lifebar a meaningless screen presence. Cool down for health probably greatly benefits an open-world design and the much larger scope and scale of "bases" - it probably also greatly enhances actually being able to just enjoy a stealth playground and dick around with guards, experiment etc... which has always been one of, if not the most enjoyable elements of the series for me.
Lack of any of these listed features aren't what made MGS to begin with, and I'm sure you'll get a difficulty setting that lets you turn off things like binocular tagging, limit regeneration etc
I'm a massive fan of this series, and I'm not feeling the same way some of you guys are.
Strident moves in that direction are a good thing for me. Slow mo sounds fine. In MGS3 you could literally run right up to guards without sneaking, and CQC them to the ground into instant dizzy status, without them ever knowing you were there. A second or two of slow motion on top of that fundamental exploit is like a special effect and visual feedback.
Having a lifebar is inconsequential and eating "rations" to restore it is no great loss. Replaying the game for perfect stealth/zero alert no healing etc ranks, always made the lifebar a meaningless screen presence. Cool down for health probably greatly benefits an open-world design and the much larger scope and scale of "bases" - it probably also greatly enhances actually being able to just enjoy a stealth playground and dick around with guards, experiment etc... which has always been one of, if not the most enjoyable elements of the series for me.
Lack of any of these listed features aren't what made MGS to begin with, and I'm sure you'll get a difficulty setting that lets you turn off things like binocular tagging, limit regeneration etc
I'm a massive fan of this series, and I'm not feeling the same way some of you guys are.
You're likely getting that feeling because of the dumbed down stealth. Think of the many AAA shooters (or just AAA games in general) that have lazy tacked on stealth mechanics. You can usually knock guys out silently or blend into the environment in some way but the core game is still a shooter/action game. That's what the footage they showed is like, that's why it doesn't differentiate itself from the rest of those games. It's the homogenization of the stealth genre in the AAA space.
It's the same way with these games adding RPG elements. They never do them anywhere near as well as real RPGs do them but it still homogenizes the genre when they succeed in sales.
ColourRevolt
Member
With the exception of tagging the enemies, this didn't remind me of Splinter Cell. I've always wanted Snake to be more agile. It was always frustrating that Snake couldn't climb atop a 7-foot ledge. They certainly improved on that front.
The slow-mo feature isn't much of an issue for me either. It gives you a sense of what a professional badass is capable of when placed in a life or death situation. Time slows down -- and a badass like Snake thinks quickly and with more precision than his opponents.
I was hoping to see Snake snatch the rifle from one of the NPC's hands as we saw in the E3 trailer.
The slow-mo feature isn't much of an issue for me either. It gives you a sense of what a professional badass is capable of when placed in a life or death situation. Time slows down -- and a badass like Snake thinks quickly and with more precision than his opponents.
I was hoping to see Snake snatch the rifle from one of the NPC's hands as we saw in the E3 trailer.
Storm Raider
Banned
God that bothered me too! Even the first level of GTA5 has that.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Son, you've got a way to fall...
MGS4 controls say otherwise.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Looks great to me.
In fact, this footage blew me away and made me want it even more.
In fact, this footage blew me away and made me want it even more.