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I'm really disappointed in Illusory Revelations#FE (SMTxFE)
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Astral Dog
Member
Thats awesome, just silly over the top, makes you wonder what the other idol special attacks are.
Could be shorter though
Honestly, the Treehouse footage warmed me up to the idol part because it feels like they're actually focusing on the thematic ideas of creativity and following your dreams that come with the idol fantasy. It seems less like pandering and more like one of the core ideas of the game. Granted, it's still not my cup of tea, but I have more respect for the idea.
Too bad the E3 Digital Event trailer was just a mess of random Anime tropes and untranslated Japanese with zero gameplay.
Too bad the E3 Digital Event trailer was just a mess of random Anime tropes and untranslated Japanese with zero gameplay.
Everyone involved with this game have previously worked on games where "shit goes bad." Radiant Historia, SMT: Nocture, SMT: Strange Journey, Devil Survivor... Wonder if part of the reason this ended up the way it did was because they just wanted to do a 180 on what they're used to work on.
Either way, the game's still apparently going to be rated M, so something's up.
Either way, the game's still apparently going to be rated M, so something's up.
They've only shown two so far: The one in this video and the one between Ellie (the girl with short blonde hair who's also in this video) and Toma (the red haired pretty boy and wannabe actor). The one with Ellie and Toma is shorter and more humorous, though I'm a bit afraid they'll all get old pretty quickly.
One thing that does bother me about the game is the general design of the fantasy characters. It feels really garishly colored and detailed without actually being very interesting or coherent, like the art of Cardfight Vanguard.
It doesn't help that armor in anime-style almost always looks really bad. You either get it looking flat or throw on tons of unnecessary detail to add depth so it's a mess.
It doesn't help that armor in anime-style almost always looks really bad. You either get it looking flat or throw on tons of unnecessary detail to add depth so it's a mess.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Didn't even need to be a Street Fighter or Smash style fighter. Could have been something more like a J-Stars or XenoVerse game.
I'm a simple man with simple wishes.
Relentless 757
Member
I'm starting to think there exists more to the game than meets the eye. Calling it now, the idol theme is an elaborate ruse. At some point in the game, the apocalypse will occur at some point, and a setting closer to Nocturne will emerge!
At least I hope.
If that were to happen, the entire aesthetic and UI of the battle scenarios would have to change.
Maybe just because with all the crotch and titty thing going on tho
Locamotable
Member
I'm pleasantly surprised by Illusory Revelations#FE (SMTxFE). Completely different to initial hype, but my hype is still present. Its just different hype.
I don't think that should be enough for an M rating unless it goes to Senran Kagura levels. Omega Quintet got a T rating, and that had some crazy stuff in it.
I think I've reached the point where I can't tell when people are joking or not.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
So am I getting a Big Bad Kanye West game or not?!?!?!
It's just con-TROV-ersy at work there, and nothing more.
Having the marketing messaging swinging violently back and forth on these two polar extremes before launch would be oddly hilarious.
It's just con-TROV-ersy at work there, and nothing more.
Having the marketing messaging swinging violently back and forth on these two polar extremes before launch would be oddly hilarious.
Sylverstone14
Member
Another #FE thread, another instance of "I was deceived by a concept that was barely there and I'm upset that what I expected didn't line up quite right" + "anime was a mistake, it's nothing but trash".
I think people have a right to be dissappointed. Everyone here, I'm sure, envisioned something completely different when an SMTXFE game got announced. Either a Fire Emblem with the dark, cool designs SMT is know for, or an SMT game done up completely medieval Fire Emblem style. Not what we got. It's really jarring. It may end up being an amazing game, but it seems to have scant connections to either of those series based on what we've seen so far. And that definitely dissappoints me.
this game will be glorious
Wait, when did they put Callie and Marie in the game?
Sylverstone14
Member
I did initially, but I kinda realized that long silence between its re-reveal and initial reveal would lead to something like this.
I'm glad it is a new, hopefully long running SMT series instead of giving us some Project X Zone fan service. After getting nothing in terms of Atlus developed RPGs on console for a generation, we get 2 within a year. No amount of choreographed Jpop attacks will make me mad at that.
The song they were singing even sounds similar to that Splatoon splatfest song.
timetokill
Banned
I'm digging it, I like that it's a wild direction. It's definitely not "safe" Fire Emblem, which is what I was worried about. A FE x Persona game sounds wonderful.
While Nintendo announced this game way too soon, there was nothing concrete said about it until PV1 came out. And PV1 seems to be very much what this game is about, so I don't think that there was any intentional misleading going on. Yeah, the working title was too suggestive, but it's no longer relevant and it shouldn't be used to form any preconceptions any more.
It's not Callie and Marie.
I have to agree with him, though. I'm interested in the game but the pop--idol stuff is just so unappealing.
zero shift
Banned
I want to like the game but the whole Idol setting just turns me off so much. I abhor it.
People want to gauge their eyes out because of virtual performers on a stage?
Hope these people weren't online in the early naughties when it was all the rage to share images that would make you actually want to gauge you eyes out because there's a good chance they wouldn't be with us to this day if they were.
Hope these people weren't online in the early naughties when it was all the rage to share images that would make you actually want to gauge you eyes out because there's a good chance they wouldn't be with us to this day if they were.
iBlue
Member
I do, I bet half the people adore persona games, yet hate this already. It just looks like Persona: Idols. Which frankly sounds amazing. It's like getting another mainline Persona game within a year of P5 releasing. The only difference is that instead of demons, it's FE characters, and instead of high school, it's idols.
Essentially a bunch of people tried to imagine what SMTxFE was, then were disappointed when it wasn't what they dreamed up, rather than taking the game for what it is. NIntendo seems to be good at fucking with people's expectations then delivering an amazing product - look at Wind Waker and Metroid Prime. I have a feeling this will follow their trajectory.
Gaiaknight
Member
since this game is gonna be about singing Nintendo needs to one up Square enix and top this scene from FFX-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKlQ9_7A-Hc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKlQ9_7A-Hc
Scrooge McDuck
Member
I think the idea is interesting, but to be honest I'm not really convinced the would be able to do it well. Granted, we only saw a very short slice of the game during Treehouse, but the dialogue and plot orchestration there felt really trite.
Of all things to channel, hopefully they wouldn't actually be faithful to the writing quality of Fire Emblem.
Well said.
SMT is more than just the Mainline Games. There're a whole bunch of Spinn-Offs or the even more popular side-series Persona. There was a lot where #FE could have taken Inspiration from.
That one Teaser we got in 2013 meant nothing, as this had been most likely thrown together a few weeks (or even Days?) after Nintendo and Atlus decided to work together.
hurricanes
Member
Yep.
They screwed up by announcing it in a way that made me think about this:
Had they just announced it with something like this:
I wouldn't be dissapointed. (I would have know from the start that I've zero interest in it)
This is exactly what I thought when I saw the first trailer...
flatearthpandas
Member
Maybe it isn't the same people but I have to admit being a bit baffled at the hugely positive reception P4
AN got compared to the hatefest #FE has. DAN is about as idol as I can imagine an Atlus game ever getting while the other is a full console RPG with idol themes made by people who worked directly on Radiant Historia, Devil Survivor, SMT III, and SMTIV. I do partially wonder if it isn't an issue of people looking to convince themselves the Wii U exclusive is crap so they feel like they aren't missing out by not owning one. But then, the same would probably need top apply to DAN since no one owns a Vita either. I don't know, but I have no doubt the game will be the tits.
Also, a bit confused at those saying it has nothing to do with SMT. It is modern Tokyo being invaded by another dimension, possibly leading to an apocalypse. That is basically what SMT is about, considering it couldn't have ever been linked into the main storyline.
I can understand the disappointment at it being more SMT than FE, but them's the breaks. We're getting another FE the same year and it's possible many of us will end up wishing Atlus had just made DeSu3 instead, but I think there's a lot to be excited at this more bizarre fusion.
AN got compared to the hatefest #FE has. DAN is about as idol as I can imagine an Atlus game ever getting while the other is a full console RPG with idol themes made by people who worked directly on Radiant Historia, Devil Survivor, SMT III, and SMTIV. I do partially wonder if it isn't an issue of people looking to convince themselves the Wii U exclusive is crap so they feel like they aren't missing out by not owning one. But then, the same would probably need top apply to DAN since no one owns a Vita either. I don't know, but I have no doubt the game will be the tits.Also, a bit confused at those saying it has nothing to do with SMT. It is modern Tokyo being invaded by another dimension, possibly leading to an apocalypse. That is basically what SMT is about, considering it couldn't have ever been linked into the main storyline.
I can understand the disappointment at it being more SMT than FE, but them's the breaks. We're getting another FE the same year and it's possible many of us will end up wishing Atlus had just made DeSu3 instead, but I think there's a lot to be excited at this more bizarre fusion.
Maybe it isn't the same people but I have to admit being a bit baffled at the hugely positive reception P4
Oh come on, you have to know as well as I do how much of a false equivalence this is in so many ways.
Defending #FE is fine, but not at the cost of defying logic. You can't compare a full fledged console RPG with a rhythm spin-off game. Plus, you should have seen the reactions to Persona 4: Dancing All Night when it was announced. As the thread shows, it was nowhere near "hugely positive." And as things settled down, as P Studio's future slate became clearer and as people learned more about the game, people started anticipating it more. The same could very well happen for #FE.
Entryhazard
Banned
The hate towards anime feels like reactionary patriotism
Again, can you then explain why a game like Persona 5—which presumably fits into this description of "anime"—has been universally praised from its trailers compared to #FE?
Entryhazard
Banned
Different audiences? Many "hystorical" fans of the FE series are bitching about the anime drift in looks since Awakening
I could see that, but then we have so many people in this thread stating they're excited for this game because it makes them think of "Persona X Fire Emblem."
Those are the people who would rather to see the franchise die, than to play with a more "anime-stylish" type of game. Awakening its a fantastic game.
Entryhazard
Banned
And those are people that aren't hating on the anime looks, so I don't know what is your point.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
This is not hate towards anime....this is hate towards a certain kind of anime and how its shown.
There are people who love Persona 5's aesthetic while disliking #FE's, despite both being "anime." "Anime" isn't an all-encompassing term that covers everything that is Japanese animation as if they're all equivalent with no visual and/or conceptual nuance or differences to sort them apart. People can like "anime" without liking how #FE looks.
I don't much care for how something like Love Live! looks (by the way, Love Live! composers are responsible for the music in #FE), while I do like how something akin to Cowboy Bebop looks.
Entryhazard
Banned
Still on this very page you can see some people hating hating on the game because of the anime looks and to me those posts are plagued with prejudice.
TheSlySoul
Member
I think it is disappointing if you wanted a SMT x FE game.
This is more like Atlus with FE guest characters, which I am cool with.
This is more like Atlus with FE guest characters, which I am cool with.