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Y'all don't want to see the maintenance log from my weekend toy.

The total cost at the bottom is listed as "THE SHAME OF IT ALL" and I think that's appropriate.

It's in the shop again right now. :(

Edit: I should note that my daily is only a little over two years old, and never gives me problems. Having your daily driver break down on the regular just isn't workable--when your fun car needs work it's just a hobby.
 
I was also sick of maintaining my 6 year old Subaru Outback. I changed jobs so my commute increased to 70 miles per day. That meant more maintenance and repair work, and I didn't have a service plan anymore. I ended up trading it in for a new Nissan Leaf last year. The upkeep for new cars is already minimal, and going full EV means even less moving parts and maintenance. So I am really happy for the past year now.
 
I feel like I'm going go to be like the OP in a few years when I get out of school and will inevitably need a car.

I hate cars, I hate driving, and the things seem like completely ridiculous money sinks. How have we not figured out how to make cars more cheaply by now? Actually, don't answer that, because I'm sure there's a ton of stupid reasons I'd know if I owned/cared about cars. But still.

Even some of the most inexpensive cars are very, very reliable today with very little maintanance. A 2014 used Corola or Civic could very well last you until your kids are in college and they're asking the same question on whatever the future hypersexual VR internet is.

A really nice 2013 or 2014 used Corolla runs you like $12k - $14k, it'll have bluetooth, good air conditioning, automatic windows, maybe automatic seats, have all sorts of integrated features, will be nice and quiet, and get great gas mileage. And it could very well last you for 15 years with pretty standard upkeep. If you want to spend a lot less, a 2006 or 2007 Corolla with average use will run you a few grand and still probably not require much work and be a damn good car.

Can't really ask for much more.
 
Dumb question but a guy going out of the country is offering me a 2002 Ford Taurus with 214K miles for $1000. All it needs (according to him) is a new headlight cover and to pass inspection. Anyone have any experience with that vehicle or am I getting taken for a ride?
 
Dumb question but a guy going out of the country is offering me a 2002 Ford Taurus with 214K miles for $1000. All it needs (according to him) is a new headlight cover and to pass inspection. Anyone have any experience with that vehicle or am I getting taken for a ride?

Anything going for that price is a total crapshoot. It will almost certainly need at least $500 of work within a year and more after that.
 
First car is a 2002 Ford Explorer, with over 150,000 miles on it. Dad's car is a Ford Escape (dunno the year and frankly do not care) with over 120,000 miles.

Yeah, I'd probably hate driving too if those were my only cars.

Get a scooter?

Dumb question but a guy going out of the country is offering me a 2002 Ford Taurus with 214K miles for $1000. All it needs (according to him) is a new headlight cover and to pass inspection. Anyone have any experience with that vehicle or am I getting taken for a ride?

Even he regularly serviced that vehicle (and there's a good chance he didn't), it's going to have issues on the reg.

200+K miles is A Lot! Especially for an American car.

I wouldn't buy it. Save a few more grand, and buy a reliable used Japanese car with less than 100K miles.
 
It sounds like with the first car most of the problems were probably related. Looks like you had a radiator problem that caused it to overheat, got part of it fixed but the radiator finally went out on you. Since you were driving hotter than the car wants to it probably caused the engine problems. The heat caused by the faulty radiator probably started to eat away at some of the gaskets in the engine and then after repairing the radiator the damage continued (a small break in a gasket can get bigger once it starts and will lead to many engine problems depending on what gasket it is)

I highly recommend you start to read a little about basic car repairs if you are going to continue to drive older vehicles like that. A lot of small problems that might go unnoticed will lead to much bigger problems if not taken care of quickly. If the cars are always running hot and you aren't aware of it, might be time to get a new thermostat, usually pretty cheap and will help prevent bigger problems.

Get used to looking at the different fluids in the car, especially the engine oil. Just pulling the dipstick out and seeing if you see water, coolant or metal can help you quickly see if you have major problems starting and give you an idea of where to start looking. When you drive long distances, make sure that you are actually seeing if you are getting short on any fluids, oil still ok? Coolant levels still good?

Make sure you have an idea about how the engine should sound and can start to notice little extra noises. Is the timing ok? Is there any extra knocks you are hearing, even if very faint? An screeching and if so when does it start.
 
Dumb question but a guy going out of the country is offering me a 2002 Ford Taurus with 214K miles for $1000. All it needs (according to him) is a new headlight cover and to pass inspection. Anyone have any experience with that vehicle or am I getting taken for a ride?

As much as I love Fords this is something that probably won't be alive for much longer. Not that the old Tauruses were bad cars, but that thing has been driven to hell and back. It's probably best to just pass it up.
 
Bleah. This thread reminds me that I just bought a 2007 Focus* w/ 80k miles. For the first couple months everything was great. Hell, everything is still great, except starting up.

Weirdest damn thing. The ignition is always slow or takes a second turn in order for the car to start. The battery is fine, the alternator/starter checks out, and none of the mechanics I've visited have reported anything. I work in pizza delivery, so I didn't want to buy a new car and put a shit-ton of miles on it. My brother's Chevy Cobalt (2006 IIRC) has the same issue.

*My previous car was a 2005 Focus. Aside from the transmission going and a few issues with the radiator, I got a respectable 260k miles out of it.
 
Anything going for that price is a total crapshoot. It will almost certainly need at least $500 of work within a year and more after that.

Even he regularly serviced that vehicle (and there's a good chance he didn't), it's going to have issues on the reg.

200+K miles is A Lot! Especially for an American car.

I wouldn't buy it. Save a few more grand, and buy a reliable used Japanese car with less than 100K miles.

As much as I love Fords this is something that probably won't be alive for much longer. Not that the old Tauruses were bad cars, but that thing has been driven to hell and back. It's probably best to just pass it up.

Thanks guys. I actually spoke to my father about the vehicle and he was basically saying the same thing. We're going to check it out to see how bad the actual car is and see if we can talk him down. That way, if the car is on it's last legs, I can get a little bit of use out of it until I find another one.
 
I am definitely debating whether i need a car. I have the cash for something middling (50-75,000 miles in the $10k range). They're budget drains, but so is public transportation $5/day to commute here, over $1200 a year if you take out vacation time and offdays and presuming no for-fun travel, and the convenience of having it when you need it for non-routine travel (like going to pick up my dry cleaning yesterday) definitely trumps the alternative. Going without, even in a city, can make some simple things into a schlep.

Maybe a carshare service like zipcar is what i should look into instead. Once i iron out where i'm going to be working for the next year (left one temp job for a temp-to-hire, but that's still not guaranteed).

Yeah this.

I have been leasing a car for the past 18 months, and while a lease was sort of a shit decision for me financially, it's been really nice to almost never worry about maintenance. My oil changes are free, as are some six month inspections I believe. The only time I needed to get work done is when I got rear ended late last year.

That being said, I fucking hate commuting two hours every day, and I hate spending about four hundred bucks a month between the lease, insurance, and gas. Also just got a nice 240 dollar bill of excise tax for this year, I forgot about it :)

I reverse commute, and it's the only real reason why I need a car. I like cycling, I live about 10 minutes from a subway stop, and I have zipcars all around me. I'm trying to look for jobs in the city so I can dump my car when my lease expires. I know some things will be more inconvenient to do, and I might see some of my suburban friends less, but I need more money damnit!
 
From January 2015 to now (in order):

Replaced windshield
Replaced Radiator
Replaced front train

Replaced Thermostat
Replaced the whole engine (for $4k canadian)
Replaced breaks, bushings, some other crap

Space between repairs means I changed mechanic cuz I thought I was getting ripped off.

Car is: Hyundai Accent Hatchback 2006 with 70,00 km (44000 miles)

Im absolutely sick of this car, but I need it and every repair has been cheaper than getting a used car.

What the hell? I could get a used LS3 for $4000. What's "front train"? A brake job is like $60.

Fuck I feel bad for some of you people. Getting taken for a ride and you have no idea.
 
Fiancee got a car a few years ago for $1000 in a decent deal. It was good for the first and second year. Second year it just kept getting more and more problems as it went on. We were pretty much in the same boat as OP. Every month was some new several hundred dollar problem. In one six month period I think we dumped almost $800 into a wide assortment of problems.

Just said fuck it, figured out how much we could afford, I called up a family friend who owns a Ford dealership, told him the situation, he hooked us up with a really great deal on a 2016 Ford Escape. I'm incredibly happy with it. With the warranty we got we basically have to worry about nothing but oil changes for the next three years. It's fantastic.

Obviously not everybody has the connections and money to do something like we did, but it is just so incredibly vindicating to not have to worry about whether your car is going to start or not.
 
Fiancee got a car a few years ago for $1000 in a decent deal. It was good for the first and second year. Second year it just kept getting more and more problems as it went on. We were pretty much in the same boat as OP. Every month was some new several hundred dollar problem.

Who buys a car for $1000 and thinks "yep, this should definitely last me several carefree years!"
 
Fiancee got a car a few years ago for $1000 in a decent deal. It was good for the first and second year. Second year it just kept getting more and more problems as it went on. We were pretty much in the same boat as OP. Every month was some new several hundred dollar problem. In one six month period I think we dumped almost $800 into a wide assortment of problems.

Who buys a car for $1000 and thinks "yep, this should definitely last me several carefree years!"

When you really think about it, there's going to be a lower limit for how much it costs to operate and maintain a vehicle. Even taking insurance out of the equation, you're probably going to be spending at least $1500-$2000 per year on a vehicle. Either that cost is going to be loan/lease on a cheap new vehicle, or purchase price and maintenance on a $1000 vehicle. There's no such thing as a no cost car, and people really need to better set their expectations for vehicle ownership.

For example, there's a saying for Porsche 944 buyers is that every 944 costs at least $5000. Either the car is $5000 and doesn't need work, or it costs under $5000 and needs enough work to make up the difference. That example may be on a classic sports car, but the rule holds true for just about everything, just with different numbers (e.g., every 2002 Ford Taurus costs at least $2500, regardless of purchase price).
 
I feel you. Just dropped around a grand for repairs and tires for mine. Two weeks later I can't pass inspection due to other problems. I have no money for those repairs and shit credit so I can't figure out how to trade in or buy another vehicle. It's never ending.
 
Bleah. This thread reminds me that I just bought a 2007 Focus* w/ 80k miles. For the first couple months everything was great. Hell, everything is still great, except starting up.

Weirdest damn thing. The ignition is always slow or takes a second turn in order for the car to start. The battery is fine, the alternator/starter checks out, and none of the mechanics I've visited have reported anything. I work in pizza delivery, so I didn't want to buy a new car and put a shit-ton of miles on it. My brother's Chevy Cobalt (2006 IIRC) has the same issue.

*My previous car was a 2005 Focus. Aside from the transmission going and a few issues with the radiator, I got a respectable 260k miles out of it.

Were the spark plugs changed on vehicle?

When you really think about it, there's going to be a lower limit for how much it costs to operate and maintain a vehicle. Even taking insurance out of the equation, you're probably going to be spending at least $1500-$2000 per year on a vehicle. Either that cost is going to be loan/lease on a cheap new vehicle, or purchase price and maintenance on a $1000 vehicle. There's no such thing as a no cost car, and people really need to better set their expectations for vehicle ownership.

For example, there's a saying for Porsche 944 buyers is that every 944 costs at least $5000. Either the car is $5000 and doesn't need work, or it costs under $5000 and needs enough work to make up the difference. That example may be on a classic sports car, but the rule holds true for just about everything, just with different numbers (e.g., every 2002 Ford Taurus costs at least $2500, regardless of purchase price).


Truth be told, it's fully feasible to DIY on a modern Porsche.
 
Truth be told, it's fully feasible to DIY on a modern Porsche.

Oh for sure, any sort of day to day DIY issues will be easy to handle on a 991, but I bet a lot of the internal components won't be available for purchase for quite some time. It took 8 years before you were able to buy OEM transmission components from Porsche for the 996; before 2008 you had to replace the entire $9000 transmission if you had a failing 1-2 synchro.
 
The Turbo on my Jeep 3.0 CRD just shat itself, go to Jeep Australia and get quoted $9200 for a replacement and $1000+ for labour. Go to UK/EU Ebay because it's the same turbo used in the Mercedes Sprinter which is very popular in Europe and pick one up for $700 including delivery, local shop will fit it for $350 or I could do it myself, but I'd probably pay $350 for tools I'd need, plus skinned knuckles. All I'd suggest is if car upkeep is getting you down then shop around. Ebay delivery is getting cheaper and cheaper for heavy parts so get your kit from where the car is at it's most popular and get a good local garage to fit it.
 
Oh for sure, any sort of day to day DIY issues will be easy to handle on a 991, but I bet a lot of the internal components won't be available for purchase for quite some time. It took 8 years before you were able to buy OEM transmission components from Porsche for the 996; before 2008 you had to replace the entire $9000 transmission if you had a failing 1-2 synchro.

Yes, that is true, but fortunately those issues don't creep up as much. A lot of folks that don't follow the industry underestimate how well Porsche builds their cars lol
 
Everything I've learned about upkeep, maintenance, and DIY work on cars is that it's easier than you would expect. Cars aren't these super complex overwhelming machines. They can give that impression looking under the hood of a modern car, but it's a trick, they're actually fairly straight forward and simple. Almost like building your own PC with only a handful of main components and everything else is just connecting them. There's also a wealth of videos and tutorials for just about every error code a car can throw.
 
From January 2015 to now (in order):

Replaced windshield
Replaced Radiator
Replaced front train

Replaced Thermostat
Replaced the whole engine (for $4k canadian)
Replaced breaks, bushings, some other crap

Space between repairs means I changed mechanic cuz I thought I was getting ripped off.

Car is: Hyundai Accent Hatchback 2006 with 70,00 km (44000 miles)

Im absolutely sick of this car, but I need it and every repair has been cheaper than getting a used car.

You're crazy or badly advised on car subjects!

I found in 30 secs a 2008 accent with 40k km for 4000$ on kijiji!

Replacing a whole engine on a hyundai? Scrap it and get something else.
 
Bought my Ford Fiesta from new 10 years ago with a view to upgrade later.

Haven't bothered.

All I've need to do are routine changes, brakes, tyres, timing belt, lights etc.

Now content on keeping it and if I get to a stage where she's going into the garage more times than I'm getting any from the other half.

That's when I'll switch
 
This is why I stay on the new car train. Sure its expensive, but the budget can support it fine and I get 60,000 miles of worry free driving. Come 60k, I trade her in and buy a new one. I've done it enough times now that I've went from breaking even on the trade it to now paying a majority of a car off and taking a short auto loan out. Next new one I buy I'll be down to likely only taking a 12 month note out on it if I dont just pay for it outright.

I recently switch my wife onto this path too and its work very well.

Can you give a real world example of how you are doing this? Why don't you just get a lease? Essentially this is what you're doing except you're self financing the lease.

I'm also on the new car train except that I drive the car into the ground. Once it starts needing repairs more frequently, I ditch it for a new car. This means that I will hold a car for about 10+ years, 150K miles.
 
Thanks for the thread. Rant warning for incoming...

I have a 2003 BMW 330i that will likely get refreshed in a year or maybe a bit less. Knock on wood and all that, but it's really been a great car. Aside from the usual maintenance, I've replaced some valve cover gaskets and had the tail lights rewired due to a defect that should have been a recall. Bought this one nearly-new as a demo-type vehicle back in the day. Also replaced the stand gasket, which is around the oil dipstick, I believe. All told, a few hundred bucks in 13+ years, for stuff outside the normal (brakes, tires, oil, etc).

Meanwhile my wife splurged on a brand new Acura MDX in 2012, so that's been the primary family transport for the past few years. This is our first new car. By all accounts they are reliable vehicles but ours has had:
-Sunroof leaked right out of the box. Wife got wet the first time she washed it.
-Noticed a bubble defect in the paint on the driver's-side door that will eventually cause a repaint there. It was too late to swap it tho.
-Transmission failed at 30,000 miles, even worse they kept trying to deny it and had her driving long distances in an unsafe vehicle after 3+ visits to the dealer.
-Navigation system failed and was replaced. This was a huge PITA because it's tied into the radio and a bunch of other crap so all that was down for weeks and multiple parts order snafu's (allegedly b/c these never break?).
-When we got the vehicle back there was a solid green line down the middle of the NAV display, so that had to be replaced.
-There's a motor that adjusts the tilt of the steering wheel when you start the vehicle. That motor died, or some electrical fault caused it to stop working.
-There's another motor that adjusts the angle of the side mirrors while backing up. That stopped working when the wheel adjustment stopped working.
-Almost forgot the latest, thus far unsolved issue. The vehicle now frequently forgets to dim the NAV LCD and other various dash lights and indicators when it gets dark. It'll be pitch dark outside with headlights on, but the stupid interior stuff is blazingly bright. It's a pretty bad distraction and isn't fixed by turning the car off/on, lights off/on etc. Basically all the dash indicators, NAV stuff, radio indicators, etc should dim and don't... sometimes.

Keep in mind, all that stuff failed in the first 50,000 miles. I'm driving a 13 year old car and wife is already discussing replacement for this beast that's just now 4 years old, due to fear of what'll break out of warranty.

There is also a software bug that prevents the transmission from working properly for us in a very specific, but daily circumstance. At this point I know it will never be fixed. Unfortunately our garage sits below the street, so when you back out of the garage, you're going up a small incline. If you pause even for a moment while backing out, the automatic transmission will no longer engage (torque converter?) the engine, so the only way to make the vehicle move again is to put it in park.. put it in drive, pull back into the garage, and then start over and back out in a continuous motion.

The dealer also sucks, so they've done things like not have parts in stock when we arrive for scheduled service, order/receive the wrong parts, etc. Last visit (to swap the NAV LCD), one of their service people drove it with a black ink pen in his back pocket. It wrote all over the light beige driver's seat and they returned it to us that way. They nearly had to replace all the leather to solve this. Crazy thing is they have sales and service awards covering their walls. They've also found nickle and dime stuff to charge us for when the vehicle was getting all these ridiculous issues fixed. Anyone wishing to sell us another car would have comped these things as a gesture of good will. I'm sure corporate would have covered that.

We tried to get Acura/Honda to extend our warranty for free due to all the issues, but they pretty much told us to fuck off.
 
Can you give a real world example of how you are doing this? Why don't you just get a lease? Essentially this is what you're doing except you're self financing the lease.

I'm also on the new car train except that I drive the car into the ground. Once it starts needing repairs more frequently, I ditch it for a new car. This means that I will hold a car for about 10+ years, 150K miles.

Leases can come with some horrible upfront fees and some horrible turn in fees, plus mileage caps and higher insurance. Plus with this method I have full control over what I want to do and how long I will keep the car, if things were to suddenly get bad financially, I'm under no contracts with the car and no hidden fees, allowing me to keep the car longer than intended if needed and save more money. The goal is to eventually get to a point where I buy the car cash up front (though every time I go in now they always want to throw 0% finacing at me, more than happy to keep my lump sum in savings or invested, especially when you can get the "cash buyer" rebates easily thrown in with the 0% rate with just a bit of haggling and pushback.

Heres what I've done:

First new car:

2008 Honda Accord: Bought new with 215 miles on it, Paid $23,000/72 month loan, maintenance with oil changes included for first 5 years (dealership program). Put down 5k, 72 month finance (2.2% rate). Drove it for 5 years to 58k miles. Trade it in to dealership for 12k (had it fully paid off early by paying extra toward principle each month).

2011 Hyundai Sonata SE: Bought new with 8 miles on it, Paid $10,000 after trade in with 36 months financing (0% rate). Drove it to 37.5k miles, needed new tires and the schedule maintenance were going to cost $1500, said screw it and traded it in for $16,000, it had been completely paid off.

2014 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Limited - Bought new with 12 miles on it, Paid $9,000 after trade in, with 24 month financing (0% rate). Free maintenance till 60k, Currently driving this one and at 20k miles.

Basically the idea is my payments have always been around $250 - $350, its the range im more than comfortable paying, and all except the 2011 had its maintenance pre-paid in the sale price (excluding tires). When I trade this one In I'll buy my next car with its trade in money and only take out a 12 or 18 month loan (if not pay for it upfront if I can put enough in my car fund by then). I plan to drive this one to 60 though, so should have another 4 years on it at least, which means I'll be going a good 4 years without a car payment and no worry about major maintenance thanks to the car being under a bumper to bumper warranty the entire time I own in.

Like I said its not cheap, but once your in the new car system its easier and easier to get value out of it and stay in it.
 
When you really think about it, there's going to be a lower limit for how much it costs to operate and maintain a vehicle. Even taking insurance out of the equation, you're probably going to be spending at least $1500-$2000 per year on a vehicle. Either that cost is going to be loan/lease on a cheap new vehicle, or purchase price and maintenance on a $1000 vehicle. There's no such thing as a no cost car, and people really need to better set their expectations for vehicle ownership.

This needs to be quoted, great post

I have an older Honda that's generally very reliable, and even I spent over 1k on parts alone last year. Preventative maintenance on cars is worth its weight in gold.

Edit: If you somehow manage to get by with significantly less money than Dave mentions while driving even an average amount of kilometers each year on a car outside of warranty, you are most likely deferring maintenance that may come back to bite you or the next owner if you are in the habit of under-maintaining cars then passing the buck.
 
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