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[How About No]

Protecting them from the advice of idiots like you.

Because they are so moe

Man I almost want to find a dealer and take a hit just to spite you

But inner me says that means I'm not mature enough to do that sort of thing safely

but man

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Cj is naive about what psychedelics can do but not wrong about someone who sits around and smokes weed all day and not do shit.

 

[Citizen_Insane]

Do not drink a crazy amount of water without getting some salt in you. You can get water poisoning.

Don't take it super late. It keeps you up for hours.

Don't take a dose then an hour later think it isn't working and take another. It can take over two hours to kick in.

Don't drink lots of booze on it. It makes for an awful hangover.

If you want to have sex on it (and you should!) you may find it makes you impotent. It's a common effect. Take a low dose of Viagra if you want to.

Don't make it a regular thing. It's hard on the body.

You may find you get a slight 'down' feeling for a day or two after. It passes.

Be aware that the drugs you take could be a bunch of different things, like speed, meth, MDMA, or a wide bunch of pharmaceuticals. No regulation on the black market! there is always some risk involved.

This guy rolls. All great advice.

 

[Ibuki]

Than ecstacy use? This has to be some elaborate troll.

 

[ryseing]

Get some of those rave glasses that have colored lenses or whatever.

That + dance music and lights makes for an absolutely fantastic trip.

 

[Wolfe]

There is a serious echo chamber in regards to the endorsement of drug use on this board, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who tries to be a voice of reason.

And yes, you're damn straight I'll go into every thread I can. If there's a chance someone will be convinced to not take that shit, I'll be that guy to tell them not to.

Get off your self righteous high horse.

 

[torre_avenue]

nobody cares, cj

nobody

cares

drop acid

take molly

get fucked up

party hard

You literally described every EDM song that has ever been or will be made.

 

[Psychoward]

Than ecstacy use? This has to be some elaborate troll.

E usage isn't addictive unlike cigarettes. Obviously if someone is doing it weekly yeah that's an issue, but everyone I know who's done it has done it like once or twice in their lives lol. I'm comparing the average usage of someone who takes E vs. the average smoker.

 

[Renekton]

Personally, I think that since a lot of people are going to use drugs they should know how to use them as safely as possible, but I totally respect your stance. I find it far more annoying how many people harass the anti-drug posters in these threads than the anti-drug posts themselves.

I think GAF is not so much anti-anti-drug as anti-absolutism. Even the anti-Trump camp got scolded for broad black-n-white strokes.

 

[QuantumSquid]

As long as you're not using shit that's laced with poison and you're doing it in a safe environment with people you know and trust, I see no reason not to try ecstasy.

cj, you aren't stopping anyone from doing drugs with your posts.

 

[Ibuki]

E usage isn't addictive unlike cigarettes. Obviously if someone is doing it weekly yeah that's an issue, but everyone I know who's done it has done it like once or twice in their lives lol. I'm comparing the average usage of someone who takes E vs. the average smoker.

It contains all kinds of different addictive substances. I can't believe you are trying to make this argument.

 

[Psychoward]

It contains all kinds of different addictive substances. I can't believe you are trying to make this argument.

I mean it's not free of addictive substances obviously but it's scientifically proven to be less addictive than nicotine/tobacco so

 

[phanphare]

Protecting them from the advice of idiots like you.

you would rather someone vote for a dude who might start a nuclear war and bring back internment camps for muslims instead of responsibly take a drug and you're calling other people idiots?

 

[Jzero]

There is a serious echo chamber in regards to the endorsement of drug use on this board, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who tries to be a voice of reason.

And yes, you're damn straight I'll go into every thread I can. If there's a chance someone will be convinced to not take that shit, I'll be that guy to tell them not to.

You have never taken any of these substances, why the hell are you even trying to tell people not to take them if you have no experience or knowledge of drugs.

 

[Ibuki]

I mean it's not free of addictive substances but it's scientifically proven to be less addictive than nicotine so

What are you referring to? Pure MDMA? You think that is what the average person can obtain?

Ecstacy is cut with many different drugs, most (if not all) of which are addictive.

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

There is a serious echo chamber in regards to the endorsement of drug use on this board, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who tries to be a voice of reason.

And yes, you're damn straight I'll go into every thread I can. If there's a chance someone will be convinced to not take that shit, I'll be that guy to tell them not to.

Anyone this strictly stuck in their ways about opposing something they've never even tried is far from being qualified as being "a voice of reason." I used to look down on people who drank alcohol until I realized how crazy I was for being so offended by something I've never even tried. Be substance free. There's nothing wrong with that. That's your choice and I respect that. But if you are this aggressive about opposing any and all recreational substances including alcohol and marijuana, I have to wonder what kind of company you keep.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Here's a simple and smart move if you're going to participate: Test Kit

http://testkitplus.com/product/mdma-test-kit

 

[Wolfe]

You have never taken any of these substances, why the hell are you even trying to tell people not to take them if you have no experience or knowledge of drugs.

Didn't you read? He has to save them from themselves.

The hero we deserve.

 

[Psychoward]

What are you referring to? Pure MDMA? You think that is what the average person can obtain?

Ecstacy is cut with many different drugs, most (if not all) of which are addictive.

Still not more addictive than nicotine and tobacco and if you find a reputable study that disproves that I'd love to read it.

 

[curiouscharles]

Do not drink a crazy amount of water without getting some salt in you. You can get water poisoning.

yes.

Don't take it super late. It keeps you up for hours.

only if there's speed in it [which i LIKEY].

Don't take a dose then an hour later think it isn't working and take another. It can take over two hours to kick in.

meh, debatable, you can't actually re-up your high on mdma, doesn't work like that.

re-upping will just increase the hangover, so still best to not do that.

Don't drink lots of booze on it. It makes for an awful hangover.

yeah, it will increase the hangover, but it's also fun.

if you decide to drink, just do so responsibly.

If you want to have sex on it (and you should!) you may find it makes you impotent. It's a common effect. Take a low dose of Viagra if you want to.

i just make out with people, getting to the sex part has always weirded me out lol.

Don't make it a regular thing. It's hard on the body.

agreed.

You may find you get a slight 'down' feeling for a day or two after. It passes.

YMMV.

depends largely on the quality / purity of the substance, but i typically feel "glowy" for a few days afterwards - not down / depressed / sad, just introspective in a positive manner.

as though i've just been across the sea and discovered the world wasn't flat after all, and it was a gruelling experience, but FULFILLING and eye-opening.

Be aware that the drugs you take could be a bunch of different things, like speed, meth, MDMA, or a wide bunch of pharmaceuticals. No regulation on the black market! there is always some risk involved.

most important point to highlight.

just a generally great post though dude.

 

[Ibuki]

Still not more addictive than nicotine and tobacco and if you find a reputable study that disproves that I'd love to read it.

You said that usage of this drug isn't addictive.

 

[cj_iwakura]

You have never taken any of these substances, why the hell are you even trying to tell people not to take them if you have no experience or knowledge of drugs.

I guess you just put every rehab and drug counselor in the country out of work, good job. I don't need to do drugs to know what it does to someone, come on.

 

[jellies_two]

It contains all kinds of different addictive substances. I can't believe you are trying to make this argument.

pure E or E cut with something boring, doesn't have all kinds of substances.
It just has MDMA.
MDMA is not physically addictive but an idiot might think, oh, one is good, so four must be insane! And since the first is the best, the temptation is to do it again (after, say, a week). But you quickly gain a partial immunity to the joy of it and so the comedown starts to be a problem and thus (most sane people) don't abuse it. I mean there are always idiots who manage to make it a habit but they are really rare.

 

[Psychoward]

You said that usage of this drug isn't addictive.

I mean relatively everything is addictive but when comparing it to tobacco and nicotine it's hardly worth mentioning. I'll admit I slipped up when I said it wasn't addictive (and seemed to imply it wasn't at all).

 

[Sai-kun]

I guess you just put every rehab and drug counselor in the country out of work, good job. I don't need to do drugs to know what it does to someone, come on.

but you do need knowledge

 

[blame space]

I don't need to do drugs to know what it does to someone, come on.

🤔

 

[cj_iwakura]

but you do need knowledge

And you sure seem so knowledgeable on the subject with your thoughtful and insightful contributions.

 

[BennyBlanco]

That happened when I took too many caffeine tablets one time. Fuck it was almost as bad as a bad acid trip to be honest. That feeling you have to piss, but can't.. and it won't stop. Horrible.

One of the worst feelings Ive ever experienced.

 

[blame space]

And you sure seem so knowledgeable on the subject with your thoughtful and insightful contributions.

you too seem smart

 

[Psychoward]

And you sure seem so knowledgeable on the subject with your thoughtful and insightful contributions.

Why would he bother engaging when you take such an absurdly absolutist stance to the subject? Still haven't replied to anyone about being mostly ambivalent towards alcohol and cigarette usage yet being against marijauana in all forms just because it's ~illegal~

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo

 

[norm9]

This thread made me wish they still sold mini-thins aka trucker speed for some reason.

 

[SnakeXs]

I guess you just put every rehab and drug counselor in the country out of work, good job. I don't need to do drugs to know what it does to someone, come on.

The point is you're preaching ignorance. Don't do it because why? Because you won't?

Preach information. Preach logic. Don't preach scare tactics and prohibition.

 

[Forerunner]

Personally, I think that since a lot of people are going to use drugs they should know how to use them as safely as possible, but I totally respect your stance.

That’s pretty much how I feel. Personally, I don’t advocate the use of drugs. However, it really doesn’t matter what I think people are still going to do it. People are curious, they want to experience new things and have fun. I get that. Furthermore, the majority of people here are adults and they can make their own decisions. They also have to realize there are consequences if something does happen. The difficult things about drugs are they affect everyone differently. You and nobody else will know how you’ll react to it until you take it. Some people it doesn’t do shit to, other have more issues. This is made worse by the fact that drugs are generally laced with other things. Which is why people here are saying get a test kit. So if you’re going to do drugs just do it safety.

Since this is his first time, I wouldn’t recommend him going anywhere at all since he doesn’t really know how he’ll react to it. If he does go somewhere, for the love of god do not operate a vehicle whatsoever. Now you’re just putting other peoples’ lives in danger. I would avoid alcohol entirely. So yeah, if you’re going to do it have fun and just be smart about it.

 

[cj_iwakura]

Why would he bother engaging when you take such an absurdly absolutist stance to the subject? Still haven't replied to anyone about being mostly ambivalent towards alcohol and cigarette usage yet being against marijauana in all forms just because it's ~illegal~

I'm against alcohol and cigarette use too, but it's legal. I'm not a fan of it, but if someone wants to do it, that's their right. The subject here is something that's not, so I'm well within my rights to advise them to avoid it. I'm more shocked that it's commonplace to endorse it.

 

[okno]

MDMA saved my life.

I mean that with all my heart.

Make sure you are in a comfortable environment and around people who you love and trust. The first time is very special, and can be very overwhelming in a very good way. The most important thing to remember is to just relax and lean into the feeling, do not resist it. Play music that is important to you. Do not drive. Do not drink alcohol until you are coming down (MDMA acts on the liver, so combining alcohol and MDMA is bad for your body, but alcohol also counteracts the feelings of the drug). Have a Vick's inhaler with you, and also some Vick's vap-o-rub. Apply a small amount of the rub under your nostrils and eyes once you begin feeling the effects.

MDMA helped me get through my deep, deep depression and social anxiety. I can comfortably and with all certainty say I would not be where I am if I had never tried MDMA. It is a beautiful and profound drug. Enjoy it.

 

[blame space]

your rights stretch so far into what we consider to be unreasonable that we could surprise you.

 

[cj_iwakura]

The point is you're preaching ignorance. Don't do it because why? Because you won't?

Preach information. Preach logic. Don't preach scare tactics and prohibition.

The 'logic' should be common sense. This is a mind-altering substance. You hallucinate. You see things that aren't there. You can be convinced to do things against your will, and not even remember what happened.

How the hell could someone say that's a good thing? The burden of proof is on them.

 

[Psychoward]

I'm against alcohol and cigarette use too, but it's legal. I'm not a fan of it, but if someone wants to do it, that's their right. The subject here is something that's not, so I'm well within my rights to advise them to avoid it. I'm more shocked that it's commonplace to endorse it.

So basically

Poster A wants to try marijuana, lives in Washington -> it's within their right and you won't advise them against it

Poster B wants to try marijuana, lives in New Jersey -> it's illegal and therefore you'll condemn their choice and try to get them to stop


That about right?

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

The 'logic' should be common sense. This is a mind-altering substance. You hallucinate. You see things that aren't there. You can be convinced to do things against your will, and not even remember what happened.

How the hell could someone say that's a good thing? The burden of proof is on them.

Nah if are against it all be against it all, you just a coward.

 

[cj_iwakura]

So basically

Poster A wants to try marijuana, lives in Washington -> it's within their right and you won't advise them against it

Poster B wants to try marijuana, lives in New Jersey -> it's illegal and therefore you'll condemn their choice and try to get them to stop


That about right?

I'd advise against it either way. Is the OP about marijuana? Pretty sure it's not. Quit making the issue about me and focus why the OP should or shouldn't avoid this stuff.

 

[glow]

You literally described every EDM song that has ever been or will be made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfiXprwIrEU

 

[Psychoward]

I'd advise against it either way. Is the OP about marijuana? Pretty sure it's not. Quit making the issue about me and why the OP should or shouldn't avoid it.

Maybe you should have started off your posts in the thread about helpful knowledge about why OP shouldn't take it then instead of well, making it about you.

 

[Renekton]

What are you referring to? Pure MDMA? You think that is what the average person can obtain?

Ecstacy is cut with many different drugs, most (if not all) of which are addictive.

Lots of bad cuts out there, but also lots of good ones too. Some of the good cuts contain psychedelic stuff instead of addictive, so you can hallucinate that Infected Mushroom song.

Unless your definition of addictive covers mental dependency as well 😽

 

[QuantumSquid]

Anyone this strictly stuck in their ways about opposing something they've never even tried is far from being qualified as being "a voice of reason." I used to look down on people who drank alcohol until I realized how crazy I was for being so offended by something I've never even tried. Be substance free. There's nothing wrong with that. That's your choice and I respect that. But if you are this aggressive about opposing any and all recreational substances including alcohol and marijuana, I have to wonder what kind of company you keep.

What is there to wonder about?

He hangs out with other substance free people exclusively because anyone who does I L L E G A L drugs for fun is a moron and cj wouldn't be caught dead hanging out with no morons

 

[okno]

The 'logic' should be common sense. This is a mind-altering substance. You hallucinate. You see things that aren't there. You can be convinced to do things against your will, and not even remember what happened.

How the hell could someone say that's a good thing? The burden of proof is on them.

In reference to MDMA, this is an ignorant statement. MDMA does make you hallucinate, but only lightly. It does not make you see things that aren't there. You cannot be convinced to do things against your will, because it is an empathogen, and you will remember every single thing you do while you are on it. I have taken well over 100 doses of MDMA, in varying strengths, and never did I feel like I was not in control of my actions. Of all of the psychedelics available for human consumption, MDMA is easily the safest of them all.

 

[AllIsOneIsNone]

The 'logic' should be common sense. This is a mind-altering substance. You hallucinate. You see things that aren't there. You can be convinced to do things against your will, and not even remember what happened.

How the hell could someone say that's a good thing? The burden of proof is on them.

The Scientist who discovered the double helix DNA strand was on acid when he did so. Steve Jobs gives acid credit for influences on his creative process. MDMA was initially used as a legal therapeutic drug. Drugs often bring disassociation, which can be a good thing in certain *cough* circumstances.

 

[cj_iwakura]

Maybe you should have started off your posts in the thread about helpful knowledge about why OP shouldn't take it then instead of well, making it about you.

My first post was telling OP he didn't need it to have a good time. Guess what? I got pounced on for it.

 

[SnakeXs]

The 'logic' should be common sense. This is a mind-altering substance. You hallucinate. You see things that aren't there. You can be convinced to do things against your will, and not even remember what happened.

How the hell could someone say that's a good thing? The burden of proof is on them.

Like I said, ignorance. I'm not saying you should or should not do drugs. But your assumptions are wildly off base.

 

[Jzero]

This is a mind-altering substance. You hallucinate. You see things that aren't there. You can be convinced to do things against your will, and not even remember what happened.

You do not hallucinate on MDMA (i haven't at least). You barely even hallucinate on LSD (unless you close your eyes). If anything getting drunk is a million times more likely to make you do stupid shit.