shadyspace
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I've never considered Stark a powered hero.
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In a way, it is wrong to say Batman is a non-superpowered hero
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Face it Tiger..
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Stark is technically a cyborg now.
unless you read his latest comic.
I think he'd be a more compelling character if he was less capable in a fist fight. I don't want him to be a wimp or anything, but he would be cooler if he used the gadgets and stealth to avoid fist fights due to the fact that he's a rich nerd... but instead he's a rich, handsome, genius whose a martial arts master to boot.
krypt0nian
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No, sorry. He's not super powered.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
That's how I view Batman as well.
For me, the appeal of a "normal dude who hangs along with superpowered heroes" loses his appeal when he can trample on them. He's pretty much invincible.
shadyspace
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Nah, there's not much better than Batman breaking a dude's fucking jaw with a right hook.
krypt0nian
Banned
See but he can't "trample" them. It was one story and prep time is a farce. Any of the JL could take him out in a few seconds.
shadyspace
Banned
I really liked that story. Batman sees himself as humanity's true champion and he's not wrong.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
The only time he was actually stopped was with Zatanna. So far he seems untouchable.
He's not wrong that JL really need some sort of takedown countermeasure.
He is wrong in that he has this air of arrogance going around and he pretty much says JL is the one who will stop him should he go rogue... but then he knows how to stop them so...
Then again Babel is shit and JL Doom only managed to make the story tolerable.
shadyspace
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He's right in that all the other heroes aren't or are no longer human and thus are more likely than him to reach a point where their interests diverge from humanity's.
krypt0nian
Banned
Again. They only "fought" in one story. Almost anyone in the JL would take him out in seconds. It's just common sense.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah but then that's assuming Superman is Superman and not Clark Kent, etc. It's ignoring that Batman himself suffers from paranoia.
Hopefully that's the case.
TheKaeptain
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I believe you meant "most of comic book characters"
Alex Connolly
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The best superpower is hardline fascism. Creep.
In the end, it's the application of "super" that throws things out of whack. Is it a question of semantics? In my eyes, Dredd, Batman, Iron Man etc. are not superheroes, just heroes.
Although, Dredd is more an ideological allegory for a number of things. But that's what makes him fucking awesome. Best comic "hero" ever.
Finaika
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He can only fuck Black Widow.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Another comicbook thread!!! GAF is fast becoming one of my favorite forums comics, all day everyday(not being sarcastic)
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Well some time back....a really long time ago actually Marvel and DCs heroes were split into tiers and the prominant tiers were:
Street Level - Heroes who werent "very" Super and were seen cleaning up the streets of villains not big enough to truly be a city, country or worldwide threat their comics usually only cover a small area of town.
Super Level - Heroes who either have superpowers or technology that gets them to a level where they clean up city to countrywide threat level villains....every now and then even worldwide threat level.
Cosmic Level - These Heroes might flirt with earth but really they focus more on galactic level villains and the scale and scope of their universes usually is much larger than simply worrying about Earth.
I didnt list every hero just a small selection to give you an idea.....but basically we might call all these guys SuperHeros not because they are Super powered, but because their actions go beyond that of the average hero(police officers, firefighters, doctors etc etc) the actions of a super hero are Super Heroic.....so even someone without superpowers can be called a super hero if their actions show it to be true.
Batman is a Superhero....however he has no Super powers so yes you could call him a non-superpowered Hero....but thats a little long winded dont you tink
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Well some time back....a really long time ago actually Marvel and DCs heroes were split into tiers and the prominant tiers were:
Street Level - Heroes who werent "very" Super and were seen cleaning up the streets of villains not big enough to truly be a city, country or worldwide threat their comics usually only cover a small area of town.
- Batman
- The Punisher
- Luke Cage to a certain extent
- DareDevil
- NightWing
- Wolverine - arguably
- Taskmaster
- Deadpool
- Iron Fist
- Spider-man
- Moon Knight[
- Elektra
Super Level - Heroes who either have superpowers or technology that gets them to a level where they clean up city to countrywide threat level villains....every now and then even worldwide threat level.
- Superman when he isnt exerting himself
- Ironman
- Hulk
- Spider-man - Ends of the earth and a number of other feats put him in Super at times
- Ms. Marvel
- Thor
- Wonder Woman
Cosmic Level - These Heroes might flirt with earth but really they focus more on galactic level villains and the scale and scope of their universes usually is much larger than simply worrying about Earth.
- Full blown Superman
- The Silver Surfer
- The Green Lantern
- Nova
- Black Bolt
- Spawn
- Captain Atom
- Thor
- Ion
- Gladiator
I didnt list every hero just a small selection to give you an idea.....but basically we might call all these guys SuperHeros not because they are Super powered, but because their actions go beyond that of the average hero(police officers, firefighters, doctors etc etc) the actions of a super hero are Super Heroic.....so even someone without superpowers can be called a super hero if their actions show it to be true.
Batman is a Superhero....however he has no Super powers so yes you could call him a non-superpowered Hero....but thats a little long winded dont you tink
Honestly, considering the universe he occupies, and the intellect he supposedly has, I don't see how Batman can not have a super powered suit. I mean, hey it doesn't need to be Iron Man, but what about enhanced muscles, gecko-like sticking abilities to gloves and boots (climb walls with ease!), super powered batarangs etc. Him having to be some magical martial artist is dumb.
shadyspace
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This is one of many reasons why Terry is superior.
Batman would fuck all the Avengers by himself.
He's just trying to give the villains a chance.
MrCunningham
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True. Batman was originally conceived as a detective, not a superhero:
But over the years he has been elevated to a superhero like status, I suppose.
Superman on the other hand, was conceived to be a Superhero and was marketed under the "action" brand originally:
Also interestingly, Superman's powers became so over the top in later iterations too. Superman couldn't even fly in the original comics, instead he just leaped very long distances.
He dresses up in a bat outfit he's complicated!To kill more people before he stops them? lol
True. batman was originally conceived as a detective, not a superhero:
But over the years he has been elevated to a superhero like status, I suppose.
Superman on the other hand, was conceived to be a Superhero and was marketed under the "action" brand originally:
Also interestingly, Superman's powers became so over the top in later iterations too. Superman couldn't even fly in the original comics, instead he just leaped very long distances.
It was the Fleischers who made Superman fly so they wouldn't have to animate him leaping all the time.I have to find my dvd.
He used to freakin kill people...he's mellowed out I guess.
No one gives MM props for taking out the league by himself, when he really didn't want to.
ChubbyHuggs
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Uh, I just watched Year One and he kicked a tree in half. That bitch has super human strength.
No that tree just has super weakness.
ChubbyHuggs
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Also, I've never understood the I don't kill thing, when he's going around giving minions brain damage from super kicks to the face. Maybe he just doesn't kill the really bad guys.
I'm a big time comic back (spend about 30-50$ a month of them), but I can't really stand Super god level heroes. There is never a real feel of danger or threat. I did like that Planet Hulk run when he became a gladiator, because he was getting fucked up all the time. Even I even sub to that new batman series; i think we are up to issues 9 but i have yet to read past issue 3 because I'm incredibly annoyed at how everything is staged, how batman always had some random-ass gadget to save him, etc etc.
Wolverine is definitely super-powered wtf, he has crazy regenerative abilities...The X-men are all super-mutants.
That was just for the movie, Thor beat the crap out of him quite easily in the comics.
That was just for the movie, Thor beat the crap out of him quite easily in the comics.
You would only believe that if you have never read a Batman comic.
lets be honest
batman should be irrelevant and nobody would want him on their "superhero teamup"
the only reason he shows up everywhere is because hes popular
the fanboys demand him
lots of fans = lots of money
superman, the hulk, thor, etc etc just don't need a normal human in a bat costume
popular = why hes written to be relevant in these comic universes
batman should be irrelevant and nobody would want him on their "superhero teamup"
the only reason he shows up everywhere is because hes popular
the fanboys demand him
lots of fans = lots of money
superman, the hulk, thor, etc etc just don't need a normal human in a bat costume
popular = why hes written to be relevant in these comic universes
That and Batman pays for a lot of the JLA shit.
TheDiabolical
I didn't read my own avatar and now everyone knows I'm not too bright. :(
Batman is just a ninja with a billion bucks.
he's the only DC character with bad ass villains.
he's the only DC character with bad ass villains.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
To be fair most of the time it's tailored around him.
Not in the JLA, only the shit Tower of Babal did that.
The Rogues are about 156 times more interesting then Batvillains.
Tizoc
Member
I'd argue that he has the power of plot-related ammo
Nah you're prob. right in EVERY story he's in he always gets the scum of the earth, when other heroes in the Marvel U. have difficulty with that.
Ya. I was going to say the same thing. I am sure New 52 is trying its hardest to ruin them, but Flash had the best villains overall before the reboot.
Razgriz-Specter
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What are the people that are saying Batman shouldn't be with the Justice League opinions of Robin or any other Bat sidekicks?
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