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[darkressurection]

No. But close.

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[Prothero]

The thought had actually crossed my mind, but I don't think that's it yet. Mechanical twist = pseye? I don't know, doesn't quite sound right.

Do you guys remember that guy who played with the Wiimote's sensor to do all those cool tricks in the YouTube videos? There was a video of a guy at Sony doing something similar and it had to do with movement in 3D space--I don't remember if it was PSEye or not.

 

[Raist]

It's pretty obvious that it should come around june 12th IMO. THey're pushing MGS4 really hard and it would be the right time for this kind of update.

Can't wait to see people scream because they want to play MGS4 and can't because they have to update their firmware and it will take 3 hours or something.

 

[wazoo]

Can't wait to see people scream because they want to play MGS4 and can't because they have to update their firmware and it will take 3 hours or something.

Just enough time to watch at a cutscene then.

 

[badcrumble]

Or make a sandwich.

 

[rollingstart]

I am guessing it will be out Thursday. At least it should be on Thursday so if they fuck up they have time to fix it before MGS4 launches.

 

[Pimpwerx]

I am guessing it will be out Thursday. At least it should be on Thursday so if they fuck up they have time to fix it before MGS4 launches.

Firmware updates come out on Wednesday mornings around 1am EST IIRC. At least, the last two did. PEACE.

 

[Raist]

Or make a sandwich.

 

[FabCam]

It's not like you have to install the FW to run a game. If it did it would come on the disc so install would be very short. If you want to play MGS4, just play it instead of DLing the update.

 

[Mets39]

:lol

It's the only thing that miss in the MGS4 OP (install: 2 sandwiches )

 

[Panajev2001a]

It's not like you have to install the FW to run a game. If it did it would come on the disc so install would be very short. If you want to play MGS4, just play it instead of DLing the update.

See, say that the FW update were ready for this Wednesday... if they had a facility for FW updates background downloading (Steam like pre-loading) they could release it on Wednesday and require it for PSN sign-in by Thursday or Friday when they would also sync up the PSN Store and PSN sing-in procedures requiring the newly released FW.

It would help people to hide the time it takes them to download the FW updates which is time well spent (PS3 FW updates have been kicking ASS, keep up the good job SCE!) is still time taken away from playing games .

 

[keyrat]

See, say that the FW update were ready for this Wednesday... if they had a facility for FW updates background downloading (Steam like pre-loading) they could release it on Wednesday and require it for PSN sign-in by Thursday or Friday when they would also sync up the PSN Store and PSN sing-in procedures requiring the newly released FW.

It would help people to hide the time it takes them to download the FW updates which is time well spent (PS3 FW updates have been kicking ASS, keep up the good job SCE!) is still time taken away from playing games .

If it's that big a problem, you could try the following: boot up your ps3, avoid the update, play the hell out of your game until you absolutely need to take a break. now, instead of shutting off how you normally would, quit back to the xmb and put the update to download.

 

[DarienA]

See, say that the FW update were ready for this Wednesday... if they had a facility for FW updates background downloading (Steam like pre-loading) they could release it on Wednesday and require it for PSN sign-in by Thursday or Friday when they would also sync up the PSN Store and PSN sing-in procedures requiring the newly released FW.

It would help people to hide the time it takes them to download the FW updates which is time well spent (PS3 FW updates have been kicking ASS, keep up the good job SCE!) is still time taken away from playing games .

To this day I still don't get the complaints about updates.

 

[AndyD]

Do you guys remember that guy who played with the Wiimote's sensor to do all those cool tricks in the YouTube videos? There was a video of a guy at Sony doing something similar and it had to do with movement in 3D space--I don't remember if it was PSEye or not.

It was actually done with the old eyetoy, not the newer one. With the new eye we saw the tech demos with the tank game, the foam bat and a coupl emore.

 

[Panajev2001a]

If it's that big a problem, you could try the following: boot up your ps3, avoid the update, play the hell out of your game until you absolutely need to take a break. now, instead of shutting off how you normally would, quit back to the xmb and put the update to download.

It is not a problem for me, if you followed my "lots of times per day" routine of "Run Microsoft Update --> Run AVG Update --> Search for Firefox Add-on updates --> Search for Firefox updates --> etc..." (not to talk about yum updates on PS3 Linux and checking out the ps3 focused kernel from its git tree...) you would know that keeping my things running with the latest updates is far from being a boring/anger-inducing task for me .

I am saying that making a process the least painful for users as possible without any extra user intervention/decision required makes the most sense (business wise too) or an evolving product which gets new features and optimizations over time.

Why do you think Windows and (Mac and Linux distributions IIRC) allow for automatic updates?

 

[Panajev2001a]

To this day I still don't get the complaints about updates.

Sigh... do you really think I was complaining about the frequency of FW updates? I LOVE the way PS3 and PSP are handled FW updates wise: I like that they do not hold updates just to bundle them together in a big yearly (or one every six months) update!

I am just saying that it is an area in which SCE could improve, just like they could with PSN Store Image Caching making it persistent across different Store sessions (which would save them money too as they waste less bandwidth sending to users data they already received earlier on).

 

[gbovo]

To this day I still don't get the complaints about updates.

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[Panajev2001a]

...

 

[Zoe]

I can see how the automatic downloading could be useful, but would Sony really want a feature that would admit that people leave their consoles idle for long periods of time? It works for a PC because those are multitasking machines, but you're supposed to be using the PS3 to play games or movies.

 

[Tiduz]

Arent firmware updates on a Tuesday most of the time?

DONT KILL ME IF IM WRONG.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I can see how the automatic downloading could be useful, but would Sony really want a feature that would admit that people leave their consoles idle for long periods of time? It works for a PC because those are multitasking machines, but you're supposed to be using the PS3 to play games or movies.

Theoretically a FW update background download function could work just like regular PSN Store background download work: with the same limitations (you cannot advance background downloads when performing certain functions) and advantages that you are already familiar with.

 

[Integra]

hmmm. this is interesting news indeed. I'll have to keep an eye out for it. someone already posted a youtube video on the in-game xmb menu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q84sLg17658

 

[GeoramA]

I am guessing it will be out Thursday. At least it should be on Thursday so if they fuck up they have time to fix it before MGS4 launches.

I'd love to get it that soon. It'll help ease the disappointment of the inevitable shitty PS Store update for the third week in a row.

 

[Zoe]

Theoretically a FW update background download function could work just like regular PSN Store background download work: with the same limitations and advantages that you already experience with PSN Store background downloading.

Yes, but downloads from the Store are initiated by the user, and the user accepts those limitations and advantages when the download starts.

Edit: Now if they allowed user-initiated bg downloading of the update, that'd be a different matter.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yes, but downloads from the Store are initiated by the user, and the user accepts those limitations and advantages when the download starts.

The limitations you talk about are limitations because the user has to accept that the demo or game or whatever will take a bit longer to download when he performs a certain activity. The worse it can happen with FW updates is that if you have not finished downloading it by the time the new FW is required you will be told that it still needs to finish and you could choose to wait there or do other things.

If it makes you feel better it could be introduced as an XMB option that the user has to activate in order to use this new functionality .

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Mechanical twist = time limit to accept the friends invite, I guess it will give you time to save your game and then accept the invite

 

[Aginor]

Wow ! moaning about having to update firmware :lol

Simple solution ,

Turn on PS3 start update ,

Go for a shit

Make a brew

Make a phone call

Tidy up

Clean PS3

Or any other menial task you choose not to do on a daily basis then bobs your uncl firmware updated everybody happy .

 

[Panajev2001a]

Wow ! moaning about having to update firmware :lol

Simple solution ,

Turn on PS3 start update ,

Go for a shit

Make a brew

Make a phone call

Tidy up

Clean PS3

Or any other menial task you choose not to do on a daily basis then bobs your uncl firmware updated everybody happy .

Nice puns, concise directions, etc..., but I kind of lost the part in which you read what I typed in this thread though.

Seriously now, debating whether automatic updates are useful or not would have felt out of place 5 years ago...

 

[BeEatNU]

hmmm. this is interesting news indeed. I'll have to keep an eye out for it. someone already posted a youtube video on the in-game xmb menu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q84sLg17658

:lol

your super late

 

[kaching]

I am saying that making a process the least painful for users as possible without any extra user intervention/decision required makes the most sense (business wise too) or an evolving product which gets new features and optimizations over time.

Why do you think Windows and (Mac and Linux distributions IIRC) allow for automatic updates?

There's plenty of contention in user/tech circles over just how painless and beneficial automatic updates are to users. Might seem all well and good to eliminate the "pain" of a few extra clicks required to actively initiate an update...until you're at the losing end of an update gone awry, due to a feature or features being removed or changed that you liked in their previous state or due to bugs introduced inadvertently.

"Least painful" is a real matter of perspective, Pana. Least painful to some is not walking into an update blindly and getting caught off guard by the changes introduced.

 

[Panajev2001a]

There's plenty of contention in user/tech circles over just how painless and beneficial automatic updates are to users. Might seem all well and good to eliminate the "pain" of a few extra clicks required to actively initiate an update...until you're at the losing end of an update gone awry, due to a feature or features being removed or changed that you liked in their previous state or due to bugs introduced inadvertently.

"Least painful" is a real matter of perspective, Pana. Least painful to some is not walking into an update blindly and getting caught off guard by the changes introduced.

You might be given choice to start an update or not, it could also be an option: the point is do we really want to force users to let their PS3 idle every time a new FW update needs to be downloaded ? Do we want to make that the only choice possible ?

Also, consoles FW wise, not updating the FW is not an option any of the three console manufacturers really wants to give users . Still, as I already said, such a FW update background downloading system would have to be activated by the user with an appropriate XMB mechanism (the same one you use to enable ATRAC playback, WMA playback, etc...) and not turned on by default.

I am all for giving people choice.

I am also for attending to the needs of the many without hurting the few: tough balance, maybe impossible to achieve, but the important thing is aiming toward such a goal .

The current status quo is not good enough IMHO, it can and should be improved.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

The current status quo is not good enough IMHO, it can and should be improved.

Via firmware update?

 

[kuYuri]

:X

Have you been talking to your Sony rep or something?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Via firmware update?

:lol, touche' .

 

[quest]

I can't wait this will make PSN so much better. I do hope this is the last firmware update for a while. It is quite the pain in the ass to download them on my 1.5mb dsl connection.

 

[disappeared]

Does anyone know yet how the custom soundtracks are going to work? Will they be custom-tuned and hard coded into the OS like the 360 in that songs play during gameplay and menus but are muted or toned down during cutscenes and the like?

 

[BobTheFork]

Can't wait to see people scream because they want to play MGS4 and can't because they have to update their firmware and it will take 3 hours or something.

I'd would be kind of interesting to see the firmware updates take 20 times longer than normal

 

[msdstc]

I'd would be kind of interesting to see the firmware updates take 20 times longer than normal

seriously :lol :lol :lol . 3 hours!? what the hell kind of connection does he have?

Oh and by the way, if it really does come with MGS4 you won't have to download it, you can just install it directly from the disc.

 

[androvsky]

I get the funny feeling the firmware update will be included with MGS4. It's only me speculating, but you know how Kojima loves to screw with people, right? It's probably important that the user interface when you hit the PS button looks a certain way when you play MGS4.

Again, just me guessing.

 

[BobTheFork]

seriously :lol :lol :lol . 3 hours!? what the hell kind of connection does he have?

Oh and by the way, if it really does come with MGS4 you won't have to download it, you can just install it directly from the disc.

Thats what I think they are going to do. They reinstated rumble with a minor update that was preloaded on Ratchet and Clank, it seem very likely they will do it again.

 

[Kittonwy]

I'd love to get it that soon. It'll help ease the disappointment of the inevitable shitty PS Store update for the third week in a row.

Don't be so bitter plz, you can't have awesome-wowsomeness everwy week.

 

[kaching]

Also, consoles FW wise, not updating the FW is not an option any of the three console manufacturers really wants to give users .

You wink, Pana, like this isn't a major hole in your argument. Think about it. If it were strictly a question of software engineering, the console manufacturers would have already done it by now.

I am all for giving people choice.

This is overwrought rhetoric. There isn't a lack of choice in the current state.

 

[Tiduz]

Sony should lock ingame xmb, and you can only update if you buy mgs4

BILLIONS OF SALES.

ok maybe not billions, but MILLIONS!

Spoiler

I am obviously bored and not serious

so we we know kinda what it is, BUT WHEN.

F5 @ PS Blog this whole week for me it seems.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Or make a sandwich.

 

[BobTheFork]

Or make a sandwich.

Theres no way the install is that long.

 

[Aginor]

Nice puns, concise directions, etc..., but I kind of lost the part in which you read what I typed in this thread though.

My bad i posted recklessly in awe of the stupidity of people moaning about FW update , you can commence the tar and feather now .

 

[Kagari]

Have you been talking to your Sony rep or something?

Nope. But I can confirm it's real. AND it will happen in June, but not before MGS4.

 

[Dibbz]

Nope. But I can confirm it's real. AND it will happen in June, but not before MGS4.

Is it the same day as it then? 12th June or after?

 

[Kagari]

Is it the same day as it then? 12th June or after?

A highly reliable source told me to expect it on the 18th... which is a Wednesday, which would be in line with previous updates. Also, expect it to be about a 100MB download size.

 

[Tiduz]

A highly reliable source told me to expect it on the 18th... which is a Wednesday, which would be in line with previous updates. Also, expect it to be about a 100MB download size.

<3

I trust you, awesome awesome awesome.