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[Zombie James]

yes because clearly GPU's rot away while imprisoned within the confines of the average pc. my 9800 pro lasted me three years, and i'm sure i could have pushed it even further.

That problem is that developers should be the ones pushing hardware. Six-month hardware cycles never let developers get the most out of anything, that 9800 Pro of yours got tossed aside long before it was ever fully utilized.

 

[blackadde]

huh? FEAR gave it a pretty good workout.

 

[Mrbob]

That problem is that developers should be the ones pushing hardware. Six-month hardware cycles never let developers get the most out of anything, that 9800 Pro of yours got tossed aside long before it was ever fully utilized.

It isn't a problem with developers as much as it is bloated version of Windows eating up resources.

Vista should change a ton and allow developers to squeeze much more out of gaming hardware.

A 9800 Pro is still fine for mid level PC gaming.

 

[professor_t]

the wii and its fans troll themselves, really

i wanna post "cognitive dissonance lol" in every wii thread but i feel like i'm stating the obvious

I like where you're headed, but if you use psychology terms like cognitive dissonance incorrectly I will seriously bitch slap you and have sex with your imaginary girlfriend.

 

[Pimpbaa]

That problem is that developers should be the ones pushing hardware. Six-month hardware cycles never let developers get the most out of anything, that 9800 Pro of yours got tossed aside long before it was ever fully utilized.

What are you talking about? It's still runs a lot of stuff quite good.

 

[Zombie James]

What are you talking about? It's still runs a lot of stuff quite good.

You're confusing effectiveness with utilization.

 

[VALIS]

Just this weekend I upgraded my motherboard, video card and jumped from 1gb to 3gb of ram for the sole purpose of getting back into PC gaming. Also bought AoEIII, Empire Earth II, Galactic Civilzations 2, Tycoon City NYC and Myst End of Ages. That was the 400 bucks that would've gone for a PS3. Thanks Sony.

 

[Compton's Most Wanted]

You're confusing effectiveness with utilization.

What exactly do you mean by "utilization"? My 9800 Pro was pumping out Far Cry (which STILL is comparable to many 360/PS3 titles) with 2xAA and 4xAF with everything maxed. Pretty impressive eh?

 

[Phoenix]

Even the PS2 can pull off polygonal grass, i can't name a single PC game that does.

Oblivion looks at you, points, and laughs... repeatedly.

 

[fartblast]

Just this weekend I upgraded my motherboard, video card and jumped from 1gb to 3gb of ram for the sole purpose of getting back into PC gaming. Also bought AoEIII, Empire Earth II, Galactic Civilzations 2, Tycoon City NYC and Myst End of Ages. That was the 400 bucks that would've gone for a PS3. Thanks Sony.

at least on ps3 you would get new games besides the same crap that comes out on pc every year

 

[Pimpbaa]

You're confusing effectiveness with utilization.

It is getting utilized quite well. It may be tossed aside due to it not being made anymore, but there are tons of people out there with them and they are being given a full workout with recent games. The only time a video card never gets fully utilized is when it first comes out and games benefit little from it's new features and performance.

 

[Mr.Potato Head]

better than ps3 gfx plus better than wii controls plus better than xbox360 internet

i wonder

Great! but sir, you fail to mention the fact that the next gen consoles AAA grade videogame library drawfs the pc platform's videogame library, im talking about quality titles now...easily and quite simply is the most inportant factor.

Oh wait, you also forgot to mention how much a pc system such as your would cost.... "Oops!"

 

[VALIS]

at least on ps3 you would get new games besides the same crap that comes out on pc every year

Like Devil May Cry 4. And Gran Turismo 5. And Final Fantasy 59. Games I've been bored of for years now.

 

[Pimpbaa]

at least on ps3 you would get new games besides the same crap that comes out on pc every year

Yeah, cause consoles only get new stuff every year. No sequels, always fresh new games. So when is final fantasy 12 coming out? :lol

 

[demi]

Beyond Good & Evil, Advent Rising and Freedom Fighters are on PC

wow, consoles dwarfed

 

[Mrbob]

What exactly do you mean by "utilization"? My 9800 Pro was pumping out Far Cry (which STILL is comparable to many 360/PS3 titles) with 2xAA and 4xAF with everything maxed. Pretty impressive eh?

At what resolution, Nintendo approved 640 X 480? I love my 9800PRO, but I never was able to max everything at 1280 X 1024 in the game, yet I ran everything very high. Farcry looks very nice on a 9800PRO indeed. Better than the 360 version.

 

[fartblast]

Like Devil May Cry 4. And Gran Turismo 5. And Final Fantasy 59. Games I've been bored of for years now.

yeah but you pay 400 bucks or whatever and you get an awesome piece of hardware (ps3 sucks but for arguments sake) that will last 5 years and still have comparable graphics to what will be on PC at the end of ps3's life as opposed to shelling out 400 bucks every two years to keep up with the same old shit

 

[Archie]

Beyond Good & Evil, Advent Rising and Freedom Fighters are on PC

wow, consoles dwarfed

dont forget psychonauts

 

[Pimpbaa]

Great! but sir, you fail to mention the fact that the next gen consoles AAA grade videogame library drawfs the pc platform's videogame library, im talking about quality titles now...easily and quite simply is the most inportant factor.

Oh wait, you also forgot to mention how much a pc system such as your would cost.... "Oops!"

OMG! He's from teh future!

 

[Zombie James]

Oblivion looks at you, points, and laughs... repeatedly.

Sorry, what?

 

[LCGeek]

Compromised...

Jeez is this another lame argument console fanboys use to put down pcs. It be valid if developers these days didn't make scalable engines that can take advantage of crap pcs while making the most of the more advanced gpus and cpus, like Doom3. As for variety a usb to controller converter and whatever ol sko gaming you like can easily fix what online game or single player pc titles don't. Lastly upgrading, if you rich and like wasting money go ahead and upgrade every year otherwise most pc gamers simply get the hardware that best suits their needs upgrading when it makes sense.

 

[demi]

forget psychonauts

i was just about to until you came along

 

[Phoenix]

Like Devil May Cry 4. And Gran Turismo 5. And Final Fantasy 59. Games I've been bored of for years now.

And the EA Sports set, another bad release of Dead or Alive (or God help you, Rumble Roses), etc.

If you want to talk about variety, the PC still has the most variety of any platform by virtue of the large number of developers for it.

 

[Zombie James]

If you want to talk about variety, the PC still has the most variety of any platform by virtue of the large number of developers for it.

Where are the fighters? Where are the ICO, Rez, Shadow of the Colossus, and Katamari equivalents?

 

[Phoenix]

Sorry, what?

 

[Lyte Edge]

And the EA Sports set, another bad release of Dead or Alive (or God help you, Rumble Roses), etc.

If you want to talk about variety, the PC still has the most variety of any platform by virtue of the large number of developers for it.

Uh, what? Sorry, I must have missed something amidst the mountain of FPS, strategy/sim, and MMORPG games out there.

Consoles get the most unique games nowadays. PC got them back in the 80s and early 90s.

 

[Compton's Most Wanted]

At what resolution, Nintendo approved 640 X 480? I love my 9800PRO, but I never was able to max everything at 1280 X 1024 in the game, yet I ran everything very high. Farcry looks very nice on a 9800PRO indeed. Better than the 360 version.

Far Cry was COMPLETELY playable at 1024 w/ some AA and AF....some slight chug in the thicker jungle parts and towards the end with a large number of enemies on screen at once. Recent games like DOOM 3, FEAR and Oblivion have really pushed the 9800 Pro to it's breaking point (hence why I upgraded in '04 to an 800xt p.e that runs like a dream to this day).

 

[Mr.Potato Head]

OMG! He's from teh future!

teh stupid lol jk but ok..here, i'll simplify it for ya lol

take a look at last gen console gaming library, take it and stand it up to the pc's library, with both gaming library's sit'n side by side, tell me which gaming library has more AAA titles.

Or since im from the future, take the pc's upcoming gaming library and compare it to the next gen consoles gaming library, tell me which has more quality titles.

Thanks

 

[fartblast]

And the EA Sports set, another bad release of Dead or Alive (or God help you, Rumble Roses), etc.

If you want to talk about variety, the PC still has the most variety of any platform by virtue of the large number of developers for it.

what is so bad about doa?

 

[Phoenix]

Where are the fighters? Where are the ICO, Rez, Shadow of the Colossus, and Katamari equivalents?

Where is Spore, Sims2, Tycoon games, Evil Genius, non sucking RTS games, Card games, Casino Games, Board Games, Educational Games, etc.

There are more developers going across more genres on the PC than there are on the consoles - much of it has to do with the lower cost of deployment of content and lower barriers to entry.

 

[Ghengis Cohen]

$600!!!!!!!!!
My wife has a 3600$ laptop.
Get a job.

 

[Phoenix]

what is so bad about doa?

Virtua Fighter exists...

 

[karasu]

Where is Spore, Sims2, Tycoon games, Evil Genius, non sucking RTS games, Card games, Casino Games, Board Games, Educational Games, etc.

You can keep em. I'll take Ninjas any day. If I want to play Cards I'll pick up a deck.

 

[Chairman Yang]

Number of exclusive games per platform, rated 8.0 or above, according to Gamespot's list of games released this year so far:

PC: 10
PS2: 9
PSP: 9
Xbox 360: 4
DS: 3
Xbox: 1
GC: 1

That's not including the massive number of innovative/fun indie games and excellent mods/total conversions for existing games.

If you don't play PC games you're missing out on a huge chunk of quality output. However, I could understand not wanting to keep up with upgrading your PC every 3-4 years if you're low on the socioeconomic ladder (due to having to pay alimony for your failed marriage or something) or simply don't have the modest skills necessary operate a PC.

 

[Mr.Potato Head]

Where is Spore, Sims2, Tycoon games, Evil Genius, non sucking RTS games, Card games, Casino Games, Board Games, Educational Games, etc.

There are more developers going across more genres on the PC than there are on the consoles - much of it has to do with the lower cost of deployment of content and lower barriers to entry.

Seriously, i dont want people to think im some console fanboy with my reply's to this thread but honestly, it boils down to this, if your any kind of serious gamer ... you simply gotta have a decent pc for the pc games that are pc exclusive type games/genres and consoles for its huge and vast library of console exclusive games, and there is alot of quality console exclusive games.

I couldnt be satisfied with just a pc for my gaming needs, nor could i be satisfied with just a console for my gaming needs. I need both the pc platform and consoles to fullfill my gaming habits.

 

[Phoenix]

You can keep em. I'll take Ninjas any day. If I want to play Cards I'll pick up a deck.

Not the point

 

[Tain]

Here's the problem.

100% of the people who play PC games here also play console games.

Because they're sane enough to realize that even a Celeron 500 has at least as good of a library as the PS2, and that owning one doesn't mean you need to ignore the other.

Where are the fighters? Where are the ICO, Rez, Shadow of the Colossus, and Katamari equivalents?

Emulated and reverse-engineered for editing in less than 10 years. Seriously, I love having my entire PSX collection wherever I go, and I can hook it up to a TV and Dual Shock in the same way I'd hook up a PSX.

This is why open development platforms and closed development platforms coexist.

 

[Phoenix]

Seriously, i dont want people to think im some console fanboy with my reply's to this thread but honestly, it boils down to this, if your any kind of serious gamer ... you simply gotta have a decent pc for the pc games that are pc exclusive type games/genres and consoles for its huge and fast library of console type videogames..

I couldnt be satisfied with just a pc for my gaming needs, nor could i be satisfied with just a console for my gaming needs. I need both the pc platform and consoles to fullfill my gaming habits.

I don't disagree with that. While I have become more of a casual gamer over time, I still see the need for a console in my life.

 

[yjs666]

I can't believe these Xbots and Sony Crabs coming in here and trying to say that the PC isn't as technologically matured as consoles. The PC will always win technically, putting costs aside. Consoles don't stand a chance!

The PS3 and X360 are pretty much wannabe PCs. A real gamer would do pretty well with a mid-range PC, Nintendo Wii, and maybe a 360 somewhere down the line.

 

[Scrow]

A real gamer would do pretty well with a mid-range PC, Nintendo Wii, and maybe a 360 somewhere down the line.

who told you about my secret plan?!

 

[Pimpbaa]

teh stupid lol jk but ok..here, i'll simplify it for ya lol

take a look at last gen console gaming library, take it and stand it up to the pc's library, with both gaming library's sit'n side by side, tell me which gaming library has more AAA titles?

Or since im from the future, take the pc's upcoming gaming library and compare it to the next gen consoles gaming library, tell me which has more quality titles?

Thanks

The pc would have more AAA titles easily. Of course if you are talking about within the same time frame it would be less simply because there was less games released on pc compared to the combined libraries of 3 other platforms. As for future libraries, there is more PC games at the moment that I'm looking forward to, but there is still a lot of unknown titles to be released.

 

[SapientWolf]

Ok, so let me summarize this thread:
PCs have mice and keyboards, lol. Suck on that console kidz!
Well, PCs don't have fighting games or JRPGS. So nyah!
Well, PCs have better graphix and RTS games. Go lick a weiner console lamers!
etc.

Trying to hold one as the ultimate platform for gaming is really immature. They are both very different platforms that complement each other perfectly.

 

[Adagio]

Wii + PC = win

Fixed.

 

[gutter_trash]

i can go on forever, if you catch my drift

 

[Ponn]

Some prices on amazon.com

Tomb Raider Legend PC - 34.99
Tomb Raider Legend 360 - 59.99

Oblivion PC - 39.99
Oblivion 360 - 59.99

A bit more than 10 bucks more.

Well, its nice when you can get a discount. I pulled this from ebgames.com for upcoming PC games.

Duke Nukem Forever
Platform: PC
Publisher:
ESRB: Rating Pending
Pre-Release
Ships 1/1/2007
$59.99

F.E.A.R. Extraction Point
Platform: PC
Publisher: Vivendi Universal Games
ESRB: Rating Pending
Pre-Release
Ships 1/1/2007
$59.99

Frontlines: Fuel of War
Platform: PC
Publisher: THQ
ESRB: Rating Pending
Pre-Release
Ships 1/1/2007
$59.99

Haze
Platform: PC
Publisher: UbiSoft
ESRB: Rating Pending
Pre-Release
Ships 1/1/2007
$59.99

Hellgate: London
Platform: PC
Publisher: id Software
ESRB: Rating Pending
Pre-Release
Ships 1/1/2007
$59.99

Huxley
Platform: PC
Publisher: Webzen
ESRB: Rating Pending
Pre-Release
Ships 1/1/2007
$59.99

Interstellar Marines
Platform: PC
Publisher: Zero Point Software
ESRB: Rating Pending
Pre-Release
Ships 1/1/2007
$59.99

I remember some PC games coming out at 59.99 before too, I think Warcraft III was one. Memory is hazy. PC games can save some money by going on PC though and not dealing with dev costs involved with consoles.

Still, my PC runs what I want it to now and theres nothing coming out that i'm interested in that can't be gotten on a console so i'm getting out of the PC upgrade rat race. If gaming is going to be more expensive this coming gen then something is going to get cut and for me PC gaming is the weakest link.

 

[Tain]

i can go on forever, if you catch my drift

Are you suggesting that these kinds of games don't come to the PC?

 

[Teknopathetic]

You can't be serious Ponn. Half of those games don't even have a release date. Hell, ALL of those games don't have a real release date. Yeah, DNF, Huxley, Haze, and Hellgate london are all being released on January 1st.

 

[Ponn]

You can't be serious Ponn. Half of those games don't even have a release date. Yeah, DNF, Huxley, Haze, and Hellgate london are all being released on January 1st.

Someone somewhere sure thinks future PC games are going to rise in price too. Do you really think PC game publishers won't take advantage of the rising cost of games?

 

[sprsk]

meh

 

[Scrow]

Fixed.

does this mean a new combination?

PC + Wii = PWii?

PS3 + PC = PC3?

Xbox 360 + PC = PC 360?