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[Monocle]

India pls stop electing morons. (Not that India is the only country with this problem.)

Why? You think you're that irresistible?

I'm thinking the irresistibility of rape victims is probably not relevant.

 

[Shadoken]

Dude, are you kidding me? Maybe this sounds ridiculous to me because I'm Indian (or was, I emigrated to Canada when I was 9), but rape is as immoral in India as it is in the west. You have to remember that India is the 2nd most populous country in the world. Over a BILLION people reside in a relatively small country.

Of course we're going to have our share of lunatics. To judge an entire country so poorly based on a few crazies is fucking infuriating and I am actually angry at GAF for having this view on India.

Our culture absolutely shuns rape, and you'd be socially outcast if anyone were to find you responsible for it. There MIGHT be exceptions where the overly rich get away with such incidents because of their wealth and status, but that is a rarity and is as prevalent as it is anywhere else in the world.

But but ... All indians are rapists , one must never visit India because you are going to get raped.

Srsly with that insanely high population . Having nearly 1/6th of the worlds population , you are going to have ALOT more criminal cases that the other countries. But hey GAF seems to have labelled India based on news articles reporting crimes.

 

[Monocle]

But but ... All indians are rapists , one must never visit India because you are going to get raped.

Srsly with that insanely high population . Having nearly 1/6th of the worlds population , you are going to have ALOT more criminal cases that the other countries.

Why the strawman? It seems disingenuous to act like certain backward attitudes regarding women's rights aren't prevalent there. You can't just explain all the crime away by pointing out the size of the population.

 

[Derwind]

Home minister in BJP-run Madhya Pradesh state describes rape as a 'social crime' in comments playing down rapes

"This is a social crime which depends on men and women. Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong," said Babulal Gaur, the home minister responsible for law and order in the BJP-run central state of Madhya Pradesh.

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This motherfucker...

I'm throughly and utterly disgusted by this. I mean wtf...

When is rape right? Ugh.

Dude, are you kidding me? Maybe this sounds ridiculous to me because I'm Indian (or was, I emigrated to Canada when I was 9), but rape is as immoral in India as it is in the west. You have to remember that India is the 2nd most populous country in the world. Over a BILLION people reside in a relatively small country.

Of course we're going to have our share of lunatics. To judge an entire country so poorly based on a few crazies is fucking infuriating and I am actually angry at GAF for having this view on India.

Our culture absolutely shuns rape, and you'd be socially outcast if anyone were to find you responsible for it. There MIGHT be exceptions where the overly rich get away with such incidents because of their wealth and status, but that is a rarity and is as prevalent as it is anywhere else in the world.

Generalizations are absolutely horrid. I think its reactionary and fueled by outrage more than a reasoned thought.

I agree, GAF is disappointing with so many people painting a whole nation of people with the same brush.

Its about as useful as saying everyone is racist in the US with so many instances of institutionalized racism happens.

 

[DarkKyo]

What a grotesque nation that is.

 

[Shadoken]

Sure but it seems disingenuous to act like certain backward attitudes regarding women's rights aren't prevalent there. You can't just explain all the crime away by pointing out the size of the population.

Yes there is a backward attitude towards women , India is obviously not as developed and modern as some other countries. And Yes there is a lot of crimes committed against women . But to label it as some kind of rape country , saying its part of the culture and stuff is just retarded and ignorant.

 

[timetokill]

saying its part of the culture and stuff is just retarded and ignorant.

"Retarded," huh?

Why is it ignorant? Some would say rape is a part of most if not all cultures.

 

[Vermillion]

Dude, are you kidding me? Maybe this sounds ridiculous to me because I'm Indian (or was, I emigrated to Canada when I was 9), but rape is as immoral in India as it is in the west. You have to remember that India is the 2nd most populous country in the world. Over a BILLION people reside in a relatively small country.

Of course we're going to have our share of lunatics. To judge an entire country so poorly based on a few crazies is fucking infuriating and I am actually angry at GAF for having this view on India.

Our culture absolutely shuns rape, and you'd be socially outcast if anyone were to find you responsible for it. There MIGHT be exceptions where the overly rich get away with such incidents because of their wealth and status, but that is a rarity and is as prevalent as it is anywhere else in the world.

First chart in this post:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=114847375&postcount=31

On another note, people criticize America for having a rape culture as well, despite the conditions being better than in India. No one thinks all Indians are rapists - just that there is a very bad rape culture there. That's factual.

Generalizations are absolutely horrid. I think its reactionary and fueled by outrage more than a reasoned thought.

I agree, GAF is disappointing with so many people painting a whole nation of people with the same brush.

Its about as useful as saying everyone is racist in the US with so many instances of institutionalized racism happens.

You see nothing ironic about the bolded? Also, strawman. No one said that everyone in India was a rapist.

 

[Derwind]

You see nothing ironic about the bolded? Also, strawman. No one said that everyone in India was a rapist.

No, I see no irony because I did not suggest everyone on GAF is making blanket statements.

And strawman? What argument have I created in your mind that needs a strawman statement? Simply stating that GAF is disappointing with the prepetuation of blanket statements is not a strawman of any sort.

Where are you going with this?

 

[Vermillion]

No, I see no irony because I did not suggest everyone on GAF is making blanket statements.

And strawman? What argument have I created in your mind that needs a strawman statement? Simply stating that GAF is disappointing with the prepetuation of blanket statements is not a strawman of any sort.

Where are you going with this?

No one ever said that all Indians were rapists. Therefore, to compare that argument to saying "all Americans are racists" because of institutionalized racism is flawed.

Furthermore, you appear to have gotten that from people commenting on India itself. Saying that GAF has a problem is not only a generalization, but echoes the very same argument that you misconstrued in the first place.

 

[Dead Man]

I understand ur ppl reaction. But let me tell you this dirty politician don't represent India. I bet this guy is from bihar the most backward place in India where politicians are murders and former rapists themselves. But the Bihar ppl still vote for them cause they high cast and control land. Here in the south our politicians are pigs too most of them but they not like sadist people. That's why south its safer for women, cause we respect and actually follow Hindu values. In the north they dirty, you all should visit Indian just make sure u don't go north.

Sorry mate, he does represent India. Just like our racist homophobic Prime Minister represents Australia, as much as I wish he did not.

Doesn't mean an attribute is universal.

 

[Eppy Thatcher]

Wat in the serious fuck.

I'll never understand how some elected(?) official motherfucker can say something like this and not just be completely run the fuck up out of town. I mean I know some talking heads on the news and every once in a while a senator or someone will have some utter nonsense spill from their mouth and get raked over coals for it but this?

can you - fucking imagine - if someone in the white house let this insane bullshit spill out of their evil fuckin brain in a public fashion? they would be gone before the end of the day.

disgraceful.

 

[Derwind]

No one ever said that all Indians were rapists. Therefore, to compare that argument to saying "all Americans are racists" because of institutionalized racism is flawed.

No its not flawed. Saying all indians support rape is the counterpoint or perpetuate it, since there are instances institutionalized rape sympathisers.

That is where the comparison lies.

If I said all Americans are performing Hate crimes, that would be more apt comparison for the all East indians are Rapists.

I don't know why you're projecting your outrage at me but kindly find another outlet because this is the very last time I will tolerate it.

 

[Vermillion]

No its not flawed. Saying all indians support rape is the counterpoint or perpetuate it, since there are instances institutionalized rape sympathisers.

That is where the comparison lies.

If I said all Americans are performing Hate crimes, that would be more apt comparison for the all East indians are Rapists.

I don't know why you're projecting your outrage at me but kindly find another outlet because this is the very last time I will tolerate it.

Dude. Literally no one said anything about all Indians being rapists nor all Indians supporting rape. You're arguing a point that was never made.

No one's outraged. You're just wrong.

 

[Derwind]

Dude. Literally no one said anything about all Indians being rapists nor all Indians supporting rape. You're arguing a point that was never made.

No one's outraged. You're just wrong.

I was speaking in general terms of reactionary GAF and the post below my original post was a picture perfect example of a blanket statement.

Keep me out of whatever argument you think is being made here.

 

[Vermillion]

I was speaking in general terms of reactionary GAF and the post below my original post was a picture perfect example of a blanket statement.

Keep me out of whatever argument you think is being made here.

Okay.

 

[triplestation]

You wat

 

[Fusebox]

India minister for tourism attempts to win back foreign female visitors with new international ad campaign, "Women, just get it India."

 

[Shaanyboi]

Fucking WHAT?!

 

[xenist]

Relax you guys. He's obviously only talking about rape and not about rape rape.

Stuff like that tempt me to adopt The Comedian's world outlook.

 

[Derwind]

Okay.

*rolls eyes*

 

[gogosox82]

I can't parse this. He said it was a crime, and then said it was sometimes right? I'm trying to approach this as a mistranslation, because that happens a lot.. But I don't know how it would be one.

Maybe he meant the "sex" in this case was a crime, and sometimes sex us right and sometimes it's wrong? It's still a ridiculous thing to say in response to this incident, but it makes him a smidgen less of a monster.

It sounds like he's saying that if its not reported as a crime then it isn't rape, just sex regardless of whether the sex is consensual or not which is just as perverted and disgusting as saying "boys will be boys" in response gang rape.

 

[Nikodemos]

The cruelly ironic thing about these cases is that they would be prosecuted a lot more if punishments were lighter. An automatic death sentence for a rape conviction means that people either walk away free or hang. Combine this with a conservative traditional view of women being 'lesser' people plus the still extant view (in the more backwards areas) that lower class women are of 'lower importance' and it's pretty obvious what the result looks like, in more than a few cases. I'd say the way forward would be to decrease the severity of punishments, say, instead of death make it 15 years of cracking open salt boulders with your face or something.

 

[VanquishUK]

Re-posting:

 

[IISANDERII]

1. Rape is a huge problem here but most cases we hear are from the least developed states, so problem is not wide spread across India and has nothing to do with culture, hearing comments like "part of the culture" and "women are animals to them" fucking enrages me.
2. Caste system is a problem as well but its not as bad as some people make out. Government is doing all the necessary stuff to reduce the gap between the upper and lower class. for e.g student from Upper class has to score 95%+ to get a medical seat in college but a lower caste student has to score only around 50%.

Two biggest problems are

1. illiteracy
2. corruption

Rape isn't part of the culture but is protection of rapists a part of the culture?

 

[Ken Masters]

and people wonder why rape is so prevalent there, and know you see it's even accepted

 

[Rest]

I can't parse this. He said it was a crime, and then said it was sometimes right? I'm trying to approach this as a mistranslation, because that happens a lot.. But I don't know how it would be one.

Maybe he meant the "sex" in this case was a crime, and sometimes sex us right and sometimes it's wrong? It's still a ridiculous thing to say in response to this incident, but it makes him a smidgen less of a monster.

I read it as "sometimes people make the distinction that a sexual act is rape; sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong." I guess, technically, that is true, but it has nothing to do with this story or this crime.

 

[scsa]

The home minister of UP one of the most lawless states in India doesn't represent the whole country. An idiotic statement made by the clueless akhilesh goverment there, these people should be removed given their mindset.

 

[Replicant]

What the fuck is this shit? India really need to update and upped their education on women's right. Actually, minority's right too while we're at it. Yes, this is just one guy but the strings of news where women have been abused or raped or have their rights ignored have came out pretty often lately.

 

[MacNille]

Stay Classy India. Stay Classy. Another reason why I would never go there.

 

[RiccochetJ]

Trying real hard to figure out how rape is sometimes right.

I got nothing.

 

[diamount]

Re-posting:

UK is yellow? That makes zero sense.

 

[crazy monkey]

I understand ur ppl reaction. But let me tell you this dirty politician don't represent India. I bet this guy is from bihar the most backward place in India where politicians are murders and former rapists themselves. But the Bihar ppl still vote for them cause they high cast and control land. Here in the south our politicians are pigs too most of them but they not like sadist people. That's why south its safer for women, cause we respect and actually follow Hindu values. In the north they dirty, you all should visit Indian just make sure u don't go north.

bringing up regions, casts and making sure whole north gets blamed lol. Whole India is fucked up. there.