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[andthebeatgoeson]

I can't speak for black voters but I can give my opinion as a 27 year old Hispanic Democrat. Discrimination will still exist for me either way so that's irrelevant. In regards to Bernie and income inequality I don't believe any of his policies will ever be implemented given the current political landscape. So I see two scenarios:

1) vote for Hillary and see policies passed that might be more centrist but they can be pushed through
OR
2) vote for Sander's and have none of his income equality policies pass

Why would anyone go for #2 except for ignorance of the current political landscape? Just my opinion on what would benefit me most as a minority.

Seems like a very reasonable post. I guess ignorance isn't rampant. We should address the feeling that minorities don't feel like the country changes from one candidate to another. Maybe Bush but some of those problems were started with Bill Clinton. So, it's a very real belief that you want an electable candidate. So, Bernie can choose to address that or not. Doesn't matter. Nothing is written that he has to be elected. The country will still move on.

No matter his beliefs or platforms, black people will still get locked up, called lazy or ignorant, blamed for things they didn't do, etc.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Bernie's going to lose because people will hype him up and not actually vote for him. He or his fans didn't cause this. He was doomed no matter what he did.

 

[Bronx-Man]

I can't speak for black voters but I can give my opinion as a 27 year old Hispanic Democrat. Discrimination will still exist for me either way so that's irrelevant. In regards to Bernie and income inequality I don't believe any of his policies will ever be implemented given the current political landscape. So I see two scenarios:

1) vote for Hillary and see policies passed that might be more centrist but they can be pushed through
OR
2) vote for Sander's and have none of his income equality policies pass

Why would anyone go for #2 except for ignorance of the current political landscape? Just my opinion on what would benefit me most as a minority.

The modern left-wing demands perfection instead of "good". They're in for a rude awakening once primary season comes around.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Well, his numbers are at the same level as Obamas in 2007;

From r/data is beautiful; https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeau...bernie_sanders_has_officially_caught_up_with/

 

[maxcriden]

Black populations in the north grew during the industrial boom where many left the South and said ''fuck it, I'm going to work in the city.'' Overtime that spilled into neighboring suburban municipalities.

Vermont doesn't have large metropolitan cities and never attracted much inter-state migratory changes to cause large demographic changes. It's more of a big city thing that VT doesn't have

I'm sure you're right. Just made it a very odd place to live. (Wonderful meeting you when we lived there, though!)

 

[Red Mage]

Sanders base is mostly made up of white, young liberals. Which is not a coalition that can win a democratic primary in any scenario.

Which is why so many of us consider him the Ron Paul of Democrats. The more serious question is, if Sanders will try and run third party and split the ticket.

 

[noshten]

Which is why so many of us consider him the Ron Paul of Democrats. The more serious question is, if Sanders will try and run third party and split the ticket.

The more serious question that has already been answered by Sanders?

Sanders explained that when he was making his decision to run for president in 2016, he considered doing it as an Independent because he feels the Democratic Party is “too conservative, too cozied up with big money and corporate America.” But ultimately he decided that the “only way” to run for president “at this unique moment in history” would be to do it as part of the two-party system.

“If it happens that I do not win that process, would I run outside of the system? No, I made the promise that I would not and I will keep that promise,” Sanders said. “And the reason for that is I do not want to be responsible for electing some right-wing Republican to be president of the United States.”

 

[Pastry]

Which is why so many of us consider him the Ron Paul of Democrats. The more serious question is, if Sanders will try and run third party and split the ticket.

I believe he has already said he won't run third party.

 

[Hazmat]

Which is why so many of us consider him the Ron Paul of Democrats. The more serious question is, if Sanders will try and run third party and split the ticket.

He won't. I'm pretty sure he's already said that, plus essentially no one ever does this. People lose campaigns and then move on.

 

[dramatis]

He won't. I'm pretty sure he's already said that, plus essentially no one ever does this. People lose campaigns and then move on.

Well.

Maybe not Donald Trump.

 

[BowieZ]

Surprise surprise.

MSM running with "won't gain enough ground!" rather than "gaining a huge amount of ground".

It's a nifty trick known as the self fulfilling prophecy.

"Here's why this won't happen!" rather than "this is what's happened so far"... you know, news/facts.

 

[HiResDes]

Standers war on Blackness cost him big. He could have corrected but picked not to.

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[noshten]

Surprise surprise.

MSM running with "won't gain enough ground!" rather than "gaining a huge amount of ground".

It's a nifty trick known as the self fulfilling prophecy.

"Here's why this won't happen!" rather than "this is what's happened so far"... you know, news/facts.

Hardly a surprise, they won't get too much money from Bernie this election cycle - media is in the business of making money as opposed to keeping the populace educated. Thankfully at least now everyone has ample opportunity to find information outside of the mainstream media.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Don't you know opponents of Sanders on message boards are moving to racial issues. Only white male voters apparently are going to vote for Sanders. Hillary Clinton is now the champion of equality, the same Clinton whose campaign staff tried to smear Obama last election cycle . You bring that up and the reply is "That was 8 years ago", guess just like Hillary her campaign staff also flip flop on such issues

 

[Slayven]

What the fuck are you talking about?

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/21/dear_white_progressives_stop_telling_black_people_how_to_vote/

Sanders supporters list his involvement with the civil rights movement as though they have now come to collect on his debt — black people must repay Sanders for his service by voting him into office

 

[entremet]

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/21/dear_white_progressives_stop_telling_black_people_how_to_vote/

His supporters. Did he say say this though?

 

[Slayven]

His supporters. Did he say say this though?

last time i use slang

 

[lednerg]

His "don't know" / "unsure" numbers are still quite high. Hillary and Trump don't have that to deal with.

 

[entremet]

last time i use slang

Ah. Misread. Gotcha.

 

[Flo_Evans]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Apparently its ok to use the actions of a few to slander entire groups of people now.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

His "don't know" / "unsure" numbers are still quite high. Hillary and Trump don't have that to deal with.

Yes. About 40% of Democratic primary voters don't know who he is. If a quarter of those who don't currently know who he is decided to vote for him, he'd be drawing with Hillary right now [36-32].

 

[Pastry]

Apparently its ok to use the actions of a few to slander entire groups of people now.

Fuck the south.

Oh no a socialist. Never mind the fact that the south is a net loss of federal tax dollars.

I say fuck 'em. If you hate socialism so much give me back my money please.

Okay.

 

[Stumpokapow]

I like Nate Cohn and I agree that Bernie isn't going to win.

That being said, I don't understand the core argument here; He has more volunteers or supporters (the article is kinda ambiguous on what the data source is) in Portland than Boise? Duh. That's going to be true of Hillary as well. With no comparison of how "unequal" Sanders' campaign is versus Hillary's or any Republican candidate's (surely we do not expect that Scott Walker has his base of support in Portland), it's not even clear if his number is particularly unequal as far as campaigns go.

The back half of the article is an analysis that says "well, Bernie is down in the polls in a bunch of key primary states and can't resonate with black voters". This is true and helps to explain why he's going to lose. But... what does it have to do with the article's nominal topic, which is that his coalition is geographically unequal? If the summary is just "Bernie's numbers in New Hampshire don't tell us much more about his broader chances", then yes but duh?

 

[dave is ok]

His supporters. Did he say say this though?

I'll clear it up.

Stan - Song by Eminem about an obsessive fan. Recently became slang to say people were 'stanning' for someone if they were obsessively defending them.

Standers - Portmaneau of slang term 'Stan' and Sanders

I honestly don't know why anyone would consider the word 'stanning' to be understood anywhere on GAF but in the BCT thread, though

 

[entremet]

I'll clear it up.

Stan - Song by Eminem about an obsessive fan. Recently became slang to say people were 'stanning' for someone if they were obsessively defending them.

Standers - Portmaneau of slang term 'Stan' and Sanders

I honestly don't know why anyone would consider the word 'stanning' to be understood anywhere on GAF but in the BCT thread, though

I get the slang, but I read it quickly and my mind processed "Sanders" instead of "Standers"

 

[Foffy]

I guess Democrats are large tools and fools too, if they don't have any feeling of Wall Street corporatism with Hilldawg. I'm actually more surprised that people don't see her as an oligarch, but I imagine that's a result of playing ingroup vs outgroup; one will always paint the "other" as a demon and their inner circle - in this case, their identified party - as the white knights. Hillary is a savior this world needs from the evil Republicans, even if some of her positions are terrible, too.

In fact, haven't both Democrats and Republicans played this game with Sanders? I know both have pulled the evil S O C I A L I S T card on him, as if that somehow actually disqualifies any points being made. Oh wait, this is America...it actually does. :/

 

[Red Mage]

The more serious question that has already been answered by Sanders?

I believe he has already said he won't run third party.

He won't. I'm pretty sure he's already said that, plus essentially no one ever does this. People lose campaigns and then move on.

I know what he's said, but even if he doesn't run, there's a chance his supporters will be turned off out of spite.

 

[Bronx-Man]

The idealism is this thread is just adorable. All HilDawg gotta do is wait till primaries and say "First Female President" and boom, shit is a wrap.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

I'll clear it up.

Stan - Song by Eminem about an obsessive fan. Recently became slang to say people were 'stanning' for someone if they were obsessively defending them.

Standers - Portmaneau of slang term 'Stan' and Sanders

I honestly don't know why anyone would consider the word 'stanning' to be understood anywhere on GAF but in the BCT thread, though

Popgaf would like a word with you.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I'll clear it up.

Stan - Song by Eminem about an obsessive fan. Recently became slang to say people were 'stanning' for someone if they were obsessively defending them.

Standers - Portmaneau of slang term 'Stan' and Sanders

I honestly don't know why anyone would consider the word 'stanning' to be understood anywhere on GAF but in the BCT thread, though

Negro humor always escapes me..damn Eminem.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Negro humor always escapes me..damn Eminem.

Hey! Eminem actually has something to say, thank you very much.

 

[noshten]

I know what he's said, but even if he doesn't run, there's a chance his supporters will be turned off out of spite.

I'm sorry the DNC has chosen a candidate that doesn't inspire enthusiasm that problem was apparent the first time HRC ran - perhaps next time the establishment might find a more inspiring candidate.

 

[Foffy]

I'm sorry the DNC has chosen a candidate that doesn't inspire enthusiasm that problem was apparent the first time HRC ran - perhaps next time the establishment might find a more inspiring candidate.

You're getting Hilldawg and you're gonna fuckin' like it!

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

I guess Democrats are large tools and fools too, if they don't have any feeling of Wall Street corporatism with Hilldawg. I'm actually more surprised that people don't see her as an oligarch, but I imagine that's a result of playing ingroup vs outgroup; one will always paint the "other" as a demon and their inner circle - in this case, their identified party - as the white knights. Hillary is a savior this world needs from the evil Republicans, even if some of her positions are terrible, too.

In fact, haven't both Democrats and Republicans played this game with Sanders? I know both have pulled the evil S O C I A L I S T card on him, as if that somehow actually disqualifies any points being made. Oh wait, this is America...it actually does. :/

Oh man, already jumped to the crucifixion. We've already played the 'other side is ignorant' card, bumblefucks, black, lamestream media, etc. Any homophobic cards in that deck?

Heaven forbid Bernard slow down his perfect campaign.

 

[B-Dubs]

Surprise surprise.

MSM running with "won't gain enough ground!" rather than "gaining a huge amount of ground".

It's a nifty trick known as the self fulfilling prophecy.

"Here's why this won't happen!" rather than "this is what's happened so far"... you know, news/facts.

It's because despite all the ground he has gained, he hasn't gained it where it counts. He's not making any significant inroads with African-american, Hispanic, or white southern voters. Winning with just young Northeast/Northwest white liberals is impossible. If this was the hundred meter he'd be running perpendicular to the track right now.

 

[User 463088]

The issue I have with some (read: Some not all) Sander's supporters is this idea that anyone who doesn't support him is somehow ignorant or foolish. If he would get the nomination, Sander's will need the support of these people too. Unless, of course, you simply believe that everyone will flock in unprecedented droves to the polls because of ideological purity.


Anecdote is anecdotal:

Last weekend we did some canvassing for Hillary. We went door to door to registered Democrats and asked who they would be supporting in the primary. We also were giving out information for local elections this November. If the person said they were supporting Hillary, we gave them a card and thanked them. If they were voting for Bernie or anyone else (It was at least 4-1 for Hillary if that matters), we thanked them for their time and gave them the information on the local elections and our local Democrat Headquarters so they could get involved during the General.

At least three or four times my boyfriend and I got a lecture from one of Sander's supporters. They threw a lot of the same insults you see online towards those who don't support Bernie. It was way worse than any of the PUMA shit from 2008.

This is not how you win elections. You don't get to piss off huge voting blocks. You don't tell those who don't support your candidate you're ignorant, uninformed or a corporate shrill. It's just not how it's done.

But, of course, Sanders doesn't need money, a ground game, polls, party support or anything else. (Seriously, I cannot believe that his campaign doesn't run polls. How in the heck do you target areas of weakness without freaking polls!?!)

Like I said, this is anecdotal. Most of the Sanders supporters (all of whom were white, ironically in a racially diverse neighborhood) were quite nice. But a healthy minority felt the need to attack us and not our candidate's ideas.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Apparently its ok to use the actions of a few to slander entire groups of people now.

That must suck

 

[Wreav]

This thread taught me the origins of the slang "stan". That's not what I expected when I came in here.

 

[dramatis]

I guess Democrats are large tools and fools too, if they don't have any feeling of Wall Street corporatism with Hilldawg. I'm actually more surprised that people don't see her as an oligarch, but I imagine that's a result of playing ingroup vs outgroup; one will always paint the "other" as a demon and their inner circle - in this case, their identified party - as the white knights. Hillary is a savior this world needs from the evil Republicans, even if some of her positions are terrible, too.

In fact, haven't both Democrats and Republicans played this game with Sanders? I know both have pulled the evil S O C I A L I S T card on him, as if that somehow actually disqualifies any points being made. Oh wait, this is America...it actually does. :/

Let me get this straight. You called Democrats "tools and fools" for being dumber than you and your imagined evil oligarchy helmed by Hillary Clinton and painted a picture of an apocalypse. Then you complain and play victim, claiming that both sides have played the socialist card on Bernie.

Except...only Trump has talked about Bernie Sanders (I think???) out of the whole crowd of candidates. Maybe O'Malley too. Hillary hasn't attacked anyone on the Democratic side. Neither has O'Malley. There's also some Chafee dude and some Webb dude, but nobody knows what they're doing. The candidate who has received the most attacks this cycle so far is Hillary Clinton.

So in the face of this bad news for Bernie Sanders, Foffy, what are you going to do to help him win? Call primary voters stupid?

Last weekend we did some canvassing for Hillary. We went door to door to registered Democrats and asked who they would be supporting in the primary. We also were giving out information for local elections this November. If the person said they were supporting Hillary, we gave them a card and thanked them. If they were voting for Bernie or anyone else (It was at least 4-1 for Hillary if that matters), we thanked them for their time and gave them the information on the local elections and our local Democrat Headquarters so they could get involved during the General.

What state are you in?

 

[Bronx-Man]

The issue I have with some (read: Some not all) Sander's supporters is this idea that anyone who doesn't support him is somehow ignorant or foolish. If he would get the nomination, Sander's will need the support of these people too. Unless, of course, you simply believe that everyone will flock in unprecedented droves to the polls because of ideological purity.


Anecdote is anecdotal:

Last weekend we did some canvassing for Hillary. We went door to door to registered Democrats and asked who they would be supporting in the primary. We also were giving out information for local elections this November. If the person said they were supporting Hillary, we gave them a card and thanked them. If they were voting for Bernie or anyone else (It was at least 4-1 for Hillary if that matters), we thanked them for their time and gave them the information on the local elections and our local Democrat Headquarters so they could get involved during the General.

At least three or four times my boyfriend and I got a lecture from one of Sander's supporters. They threw a lot of the same insults you see online towards those who don't support Bernie. It was way worse than any of the PUMA shit from 2008.

This is not how you win elections. You don't get to piss off huge voting blocks. You don't tell those who don't support your candidate you're ignorant, uninformed or a corporate shrill. It's just not how it's done.

But, of course, Sanders doesn't need money, a ground game, polls, party support or anything else. (Seriously, I cannot believe that his campaign doesn't run polls. How in the heck do you target areas of weakness without freaking polls!?!)

Like I said, this is anecdotal. Most of the Sanders supporters (all of whom were white, ironically in a racially diverse neighborhood) were quite nice. But a healthy minority felt the need to attack us and not our candidate's ideas.

But...all my friends told me Bernie was gonna win the presidency in a landslide and stop all the big banks and give us free weed

 

[Jenov]

Okay.

Haha, I caught that too. It's especially funny since those 'bumblefuck' Southern primaries are about getting the black vote.. so essentially people are telling black democrats to fuck off.

 

[Armaros]

So in the face of this bad news for Bernie Sanders, Foffy, what are you going to do to help him win? Call primary voters stupid?

Judging by some of the rhetoric in this thread.

That is exactly the plan. Insult Southern (mostly Black) Democrats as not 'really' Democrats and closer to Republicans.

And call them stupid for not voting for Bernie.

 

[Red Mage]

I'm sorry the DNC has chosen a candidate that doesn't inspire enthusiasm that problem was apparent the first time HRC ran - perhaps next time the establishment might find a more inspiring candidate.

Doesn't bother me. I pretty much find all politicians unethical and unworthy to hold office. I'm putting my two cents in as I do find all of the Sanders noise kind of interesting.

 

[Cheebo]

I guess Democrats are large tools and fools too, if they don't have any feeling of Wall Street corporatism with Hilldawg.

Calling your fellow democrats tools, fools, stupid, etc is not how you win supporters over. Comments like this is exactly hurt Bernie, not help him.

I mean the attacks on Southern Democrats from Bernie supporters in this thread painting them as stupid and marrying their cousins when it turns out they support Hillary by near 9:1 ratio is INSANE.

Democratic primary voters by and large agree with each other on the issues, attacking the ones who pick a different candidate than you are stupid and fools does not win anyone over.

 

[Enzom21]

Haha, I caught that too. It's especially funny since those 'bumblefuck' Southern primaries are about getting the black vote.. so essentially people are telling black democrats to fuck off.

So pretty much what the white liberal Sanders supporters did when BLM "assaulted" their savior?

 

[Bronx-Man]

Calling your fellow democrats tools, fools, stupid, etc is not how you win supporters over.

These are people extremely new to how politics actually works. Just let them figure this shit out on their own.

 

[Armaros]

These are people extremely new to how politics actually works. Just let them figure this shit out on their own.

So its like Ron Paul all over again.

 

[Chariot]

But...all my friends told me Bernie was gonna win the presidency in a landslide and stop all the big banks and give us free weed

Huh, that's weird. Bernie is undecided on the weed issue. I think there is an experiment in Vermont and he wants to see how that goes first. So president Bernie wouldn't mean free weed. He would however get to work on chopping banks small, put in minimum wage (and equal the pay for men and women), increase healthcare, close tax loopholes and reform the prison system that is skewed to screw minorities. You guys could have a better society.

Not that Hillary is shit, she has the same opinion on some issues as Bernie, like the prison system and minimum wages, she is probalby be a ok president, in any case better than any of the republicans (if not nearly as amusing as Trump would be), but I honestly wouldn't trust her very much.

 

[User 463088]

Let me get this straight. You called Democrats "tools and fools" for being dumber than you and your imagined evil oligarchy helmed by Hillary Clinton and painted a picture of an apocalypse. Then you complain and play victim, claiming that both sides have played the socialist card on Bernie.

Except...only Trump has talked about Bernie Sanders (I think???) out of the whole crowd of candidates. Maybe O'Malley too. Hillary hasn't attacked anyone on the Democratic side. Neither has O'Malley. There's also some Chafee dude and some Webb dude, but nobody knows what they're doing. The candidate who has received the most attacks this cycle so far is Hillary Clinton.

So in the face of this bad news for Bernie Sanders, Foffy, what are you going to do to help him win? Call primary voters stupid?


What state are you in?

Ohio. I'm not 100% sure it was sponsored by Clinton's campaign or our county party. (I'm thinking county, but most of the people I know from there were active for Hillary in 08, then Obama in 08 and 12.) We were mainly pushing local issues but they told us to ask the primary question and give the card to Clinton supporters. We didn't have anything for any other candidate.

 

[Iorv3th]

But...all my friends told me Bernie was gonna win the presidency in a landslide and stop all the big banks and give us free weed

Bernie isn't going to win anything. Most of his policies aren't going to go over well with the majority of voters. I mean free college education, free healthcare, and income equality sound good, but the way he want's to implement all of these things is not going to get a lot of positive attention from voters.

 

[Cheebo]

So its like Ron Paul all over again.

These are people extremely new to how politics actually works. Just let them figure this shit out on their own.

It is exactly like that.

In one of the other countless Bernie threads someone made the "if Bernie doesn't win I am not voting for Hillary because she is the exact same as the Republicans" argument. Which someone pointed out is the exact argument some idiots said about Gore in relation to Bush when he beat the very liberal Bill Bradley for the nomination and thought Dems learned their lesson that time.

The Bernie guy admitted he was too young to remember who Gore was.

That is your Bernie supporter who attacks any Democrat that doesn't side with them as being foolish/stupid/not a true liberal right there in a nutshell.