dragonballjoseph
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Screw the haters, Infinite Undiscovery is fun.
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infinite undiscovery or last remnant
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Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Neither.
Save your money.
Put it into MS points and buy some stuff off of Live.
Save your money.
Put it into MS points and buy some stuff off of Live.
Schopenhauer
Member
Go with The Last Remnant. I did not enjoy Infinite Undiscovery.
Honestly, at the time it came out there wasn't a huge selection of great RPG's, so I at least played through IU for what it was. Most definitely not a great game, but fun nonetheless. Chrono Cross amount of playable characters and splitting them into groups on the field was a blast. Should be able to find it under $10 too, so for that it is worth it. TLR I can't say, I always thought it looked good but heard of so many technical problems. I can say at the very least, IU ran smooth. Just have to get past the very slow start, then it becomes decent.
Arpharmd B
Banned
Infinite Undiscovery is my favorite game of all time.
Add my consent for TLR for PC. I remember borrowing TLR for the 360 from a friend but did not get that into it due to some of the issues. Got TLR off steam during those holiday sales and I rather enjoyed it. It fix some of the gameplay issue and has no glaring tech problems. I actually played and beat the game, a rarity for me these days.
One thing I must say tho....I spent way to much time grinding
I am looking at you!!!
One thing I must say tho....I spent way to much time grinding
Bai Ze
louis89 said:
I found it nice. Not the best Tri-Ace game, not the worst either.
Good soundtrack, some great environments. Basic but enjoyable battles.
The characters ? I really don't mind cheesy characters, but I can understand the hate over Rita & Rucha.
The story is unsurprising most of the time, except for
the bond between Sigmund and the hero
My vote goes to Infinite Undiscovery.
The first hour or so is bad, yes. But once you've gone past that, you'll find a seemless battle system that keeps you engaged, a serviceable plot that excels in keeping things moving (the pace of the game was one of the great things about it, it never really had a slow moment once it actually got started), and music and atmosphere that harkens to tri-Ace's good side (read: not Star Ocean).
Every tri-Ace game has that clip that people can put on YouTube and laugh at. But unlike SO4 where it barrages the player until submission, IU only has the token scene that you groan at, then get over quickly and move on as you look forward to the next adventure.
While now with Resonance of Fate, this generation might actually have a contender for most awesome tri-Ace game, before it, if you weren't solely obsessed with battle systems, IU beats SO4 by a good country mile. It's just too many people couldn't get over the initial bump and undiscover IU.
The first hour or so is bad, yes. But once you've gone past that, you'll find a seemless battle system that keeps you engaged, a serviceable plot that excels in keeping things moving (the pace of the game was one of the great things about it, it never really had a slow moment once it actually got started), and music and atmosphere that harkens to tri-Ace's good side (read: not Star Ocean).
Every tri-Ace game has that clip that people can put on YouTube and laugh at. But unlike SO4 where it barrages the player until submission, IU only has the token scene that you groan at, then get over quickly and move on as you look forward to the next adventure.
While now with Resonance of Fate, this generation might actually have a contender for most awesome tri-Ace game, before it, if you weren't solely obsessed with battle systems, IU beats SO4 by a good country mile. It's just too many people couldn't get over the initial bump and undiscover IU.
Sanic
Member
IU is hard, but i'm not much of an RPG kinda guy so that's to be expected. It's kinda early to comment on everything else, but i'm finding the battle system to at least be enjoyable so far, though it's difficult to keep yourself alive if you need to jump into the menu to do something while enemies are around.
Also, The Last Remnant is turn based right? I'm trying to expand my gaming horizons so I think i'm gonna go buy a bunch of JRPGs.
Also, The Last Remnant is turn based right? I'm trying to expand my gaming horizons so I think i'm gonna go buy a bunch of JRPGs.
fortified_concept
Banned
Both are terrible, IU is worse.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I also say The Last Remnant. It's not a bad game.
I'd say The Last Remnant. It's probably the most complete game of the two (three if you include Eternal Sonata that somehow popped in here). Great soundtrack, vast towns, well-integrated sidequests and nice short field areas with visible enemies. I really liked the combat system but it does punish you for not playing a certain way and has randomness that is bound to frustrate you at times. Technical issues on the 360 when installed were a non-factor for me but the PC version does sound superior.
Infinite Undiscovery was okay. I thought the game would have been much better off if it focused every mission/area with the multi-party system. It felt awesome having practically your whole team romping an entire dungeon. The real-time fighting elements seemed mostly fine minus giving you maybe a better defensive ability or two. Unfortunately the crap like connect abilities, "rain", real-time item usage, some ridiculous dungeon designs really dragged it down. AI seemed sufficient but I didn't play it on the harder settings.
Infinite Undiscovery was okay. I thought the game would have been much better off if it focused every mission/area with the multi-party system. It felt awesome having practically your whole team romping an entire dungeon. The real-time fighting elements seemed mostly fine minus giving you maybe a better defensive ability or two. Unfortunately the crap like connect abilities, "rain", real-time item usage, some ridiculous dungeon designs really dragged it down. AI seemed sufficient but I didn't play it on the harder settings.
charlequin
Banned
duckroll said:
:lol Amazing.
Ysiadmihi said:This thread is making me want to finish TLR, but I remember quitting because I got to a really annoying part of the game (though I can't remember exactly what was annoying about it).
May as well try it since I haven't played it on my new hardware yet
Probably the 6 Bases fights?...awesome Boss fights but some where hard as hell hehe...
Sanic
Member
I thought I should mention that IU is, literally, the first JRPG i've ever played. I'm starting to make a list of the ones I should play next.
So GAF, out of these, which one should I play first/at all? Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean 4, and I guess we'll throw the Last Remnant in there though it's already been thoroughly discussed. Keep in mind I have no sense of standards as far as JRPGs go, so I won't really be comparing it to anything else in the genre.
So GAF, out of these, which one should I play first/at all? Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean 4, and I guess we'll throw the Last Remnant in there though it's already been thoroughly discussed. Keep in mind I have no sense of standards as far as JRPGs go, so I won't really be comparing it to anything else in the genre.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
i've got to ask.....what kind of gibberish is 'infinite undiscovery' as a title? does it really mean something in the scheme of the story?
Star Ocean 4 is a lot of fun if you don't mind really awful story and cutscenes (I don't mean awful in the way that 'awful' is usually thrown around on an Internet video game forum; it is vile). If IU is your starting point, it's the closest on your list to that experience - just much faster paced, and yet more forgiving (in that the game pauses when you open the menu, and if your entire party dies you can swap in a reserve character to revive them, until you run through all your characters/items). If you think you could put up with a dumber story than IU, it's worth a shot if you can find it cheap.Pandoracell said:
Lost Odyssey is probably the most newbie-friendly in that list. The combat system is turn-based, and not particularly deep or challenging (which probably isn't a bad thing if you haven't played any similar games before), and it's a really pretty game with nice music, decent humour, and some really good writing (in the short stories you find, moreso than the ordinary cutscenes).
The Last Remnant is good, but I wouldn't recommend it as one of the first five JRPGs you play. A lot of the mechanics are really obtuse, and the sheer volume of information the game throws at you could be kind of overwhelming if you're not used to the very basics of the genre (by the time I got all the achievements in TLR, I'd absorbed about as much knowledge as you would in a first-year university course).
Tales of Vesperia is incredibly good, and by far the best game on your list. The question you should be asking yourself with Vesperia isn't so much whether you should play it or not, but whether you think you would be spoiling yourself if you didn't save the best for last. Chances are, if you play another JRPG immediately after Vesperia, you're going to end up disliking it a lot more than you would otherwise, because it just doesn't stack up.
None of those four are really 'bad', though, as long as you aren't put off by Star Ocean's awful, awful cutscenes.
Sanic
Member
Thanks for the suggestions. I can pick up all of these games for very cheap right now besides Star Ocean, so that'll be the last one I play If I decide to at all. I'm gonna give IU a few more hours and, if i'm not feeling it, move on to Lost Odessy. I'm probably most interested in playing The Last Remnant if only because of what i'm reading about regarding the combat system, it seems like a cool concept.
Oh, and is it worth it to shell out the extra cash for the PS3 version of tales?
Oh, and is it worth it to shell out the extra cash for the PS3 version of tales?
I think this is actually a way better generation to start playing them than the last one was. There were a lot of good JRPGs on the PS2, but finding one meant weeding out probably at least seven or eight horrible pieces of shit. The odds of finding a current-gen one that's at least decent is probably 50-50 or better.Alucrid said:
The PS2 is a goldmine if you know what to look for, and a trash heap if you don't.
Cep said:
No, I agree with him. There may have been "putrid" rpgs this past decade, but I've avoided playing any of those titles. I bought IU because, typically, I like Tri-Ace games. However, IU is certainly one of the worst RPGs I've ever played. I rank it with Beyond the Beyond in quality.
Monocle
Member
On my second playthrough I obliterated the 6 Bases, the souped up DLC version of Hell's Gate, and the ultimate version of the final boss with minimal effort. You don't have to grind for very long to make your party powerful when you understand TLR's combat and leveling systems. All you have to do is take a bit of time to research the game on GameFAQs, whose TLR forum is one of the best on the whole site in terms of the useful info to bullshit ratio.Ricker said:
You know what? They did exactly that for the bases in the PC version. You can now save after the long opening battles outside, right before you fight each boss. Considering the difficulty rebalancing, the bases aren't quite so overpowered anyway. They're a good challenge, but not a trial by fire like on the 360.miladesn said:
The Xbox version has enough problems that I can't recommend it. The PC version legitimately has fixes for quite a few of these problems, however. People have been a tad bit unfair to this game considering it has a version which is significantly better.
Pandoracell said:
Well, I would start with Lost Odyssey of those. It's the most "Traditional" JRPG on the list, and IMO it will give you a nice solid feel for the genre. The battles may start off a bit difficult, but it's not incredibly hectic, you have time to think things through at the very least. There's no complex subsystems or crafting or anything, it's just straightforward rpg goodness. As you progress through the game you unlock short stories that aren't vital to the gameplay, but really flesh out the story experience. But that's also a pretty good summary of the game as a whole -- If you're willing to stop playing for 5-10 minutes to read a story, and you're okay with spending a while just watching the story unfold, the game will be fine for you. But if you think you'll find yourself itching to just get out to the action, story be damned, it may not be the game for you.
Tales of Vesperia is also really good. It will play like a much more well refined Infinite Undiscovery, without the benefit of having battles on the same screen you explore. The real-time, action based nature of the battles might be a bit overwhelming for someone new to the genre, but it's pretty doable. There is a lot of extra depth to the game with various battle nuances and crafting, but you shouldn't have too much of a problem playing even if you completely ignore them. ToV has a demo available, but it's not a great representation of the game. They toss you into a seemingly arbitrary point in the story and toss all sorts of terms you're unfamiliar with around between characters you haven't had a proper introduction to, and then top it off with a boss who is unusually (for that game) difficult. You can get a taste for the game from the demo, but it's not a very accurate or fair one. The story is more character-driven, which allows it to tell you it's tale more concisely than say Lost Odyssey. Admittedly, the characters suffer a bit from kind of being anime archetypes (and maybe a teensy bit juvenile), but they can surprise you from time to time.
I don't want to discourage you from The Last Remnant, but to me the game's biggest appeal is that it brings something new and interesting to jrpg battles. That doesn't mean a damn thing to you, since you don't have prior jrpg experience. It's still interesting, but I feel like without that novelty the game won't hold up for you.
Thinking about it now, starting you on jrpgs with IU may not be the best choice, but if you're enjoying it then you've probably got a pretty bright future with the genre, haha.
Arpharmd B
Banned
Giant douche or a Turd Sandwhich?
Turd Sandwhich 04
gregor7777
Banned
Yasae said:
If memory serves me, there are like 3 areas in the game that they removed or forgot to cap, so you can grind. Breaks the game though.
I really liked LO, but I really like traditional turn based RPGs so....well, yeah.
Last Remnant is by far the more fun of the two...Install the game and the framerate drops aren't as bad...The gameplay is pretty fun and with such a wide selection of enemies at your disposal to level up and customize the game is quite addicting. The only problem is that at times the difficulty ramps up so high at the end when fighting the special bosses that you basically have to get lucky in order to win.
jon bones said:
Yeah, I heard they were originally gonna make a game based off Snow Crash, wonder what ever happened to it? It's my favorite fiction novel ever so I would agree with you.
Never played TLR, IU was a very unpolished game, but it wasn't the worst game I've ever played by any means. You could definitely do worse, in the RPG genre (see: Eternal Sonata). I didn't like the whole "link" system for attacking, crappy AI, lack of a quick travel function, tons of missables... A few of the story events were kind of interesting, and some of the later environments in the game were absolutely beautiful. Probably the worst game tri-Ace has ever made.
The "dinner dance" scene was awesome though
SlasherJPC
Banned
Played both, only ever beat IU. Hate to say it but I bet most people bitching about IU never even completed it.
Last Remnant is cool but flawed out the ass graphically/performance wise.
Last Remnant is cool but flawed out the ass graphically/performance wise.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Skilletor said:
Like I haven't heard THAT before...:lol (and in relation to all sorts of games, good, bad, ok, etc) I'd look at your post history if I could and I'm sure I could say the same about some game you played.
I'm really enjoying TLR so far (PC version was $20 on Steam a few weeks back, and has been as low as $10).
Were the Turbo Mode (battle animations are super fast) and "auto" QTE not present in the 360 version? Both feel mandatory to my enjoyment of the game. Also, there could only be one non-generic member per Union? Is that about it with regards to the changes?
Performance-wise, the PC Version seems pretty good; low settings use very sparse models in battle to keep the framerate high, but in cutscenes or on the map the engine can't seem to decide what textures to use (high, low, high, low, all throughout a single scene) and it sticks with the high-poly models at the expense of performance. Also, some of the interface choices weren't really designed well for PC. You can't adjust graphics settings or controls during the game, there is no "load" option outside of the title menu, and it won't recognize the d-buttons on my PS2 controller so I have to use the keyboard.
Still, fun stuff, especially after you get access to the gameplay mechanics (which is pretty damn quick compared to most RPGs). It's a SaGa game that tries to at least be a little closer to a "normal" RPG, while keeping some of the more interesting gameplay mechanics from the SaGa series, and some of its flaws/things-that-piss-people-off.
Were the Turbo Mode (battle animations are super fast) and "auto" QTE not present in the 360 version? Both feel mandatory to my enjoyment of the game. Also, there could only be one non-generic member per Union? Is that about it with regards to the changes?
Performance-wise, the PC Version seems pretty good; low settings use very sparse models in battle to keep the framerate high, but in cutscenes or on the map the engine can't seem to decide what textures to use (high, low, high, low, all throughout a single scene) and it sticks with the high-poly models at the expense of performance. Also, some of the interface choices weren't really designed well for PC. You can't adjust graphics settings or controls during the game, there is no "load" option outside of the title menu, and it won't recognize the d-buttons on my PS2 controller so I have to use the keyboard.
Still, fun stuff, especially after you get access to the gameplay mechanics (which is pretty damn quick compared to most RPGs). It's a SaGa game that tries to at least be a little closer to a "normal" RPG, while keeping some of the more interesting gameplay mechanics from the SaGa series, and some of its flaws/things-that-piss-people-off.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Alucrid said:
This is actually the best part of the game.
Yaweee said:
Actually Unions could be made up entirely of non-generics if one was crazy enough but there was a cap on them(6 iirc). Still played through the 360 version performance issues and lack of Turbo/QTE aside. Great game but some of those story battles...yikes.