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infinite undiscovery or last remnant
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SlasherJPC
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Skilletor said:
My point is that that excuse is made for any and all games. Its not exactly stating what or why you didn't enjoy it. Its just like a general "its shit" statement. Though the main thing I find ludicrous is that people down right want to condemn people that enjoyed that game and while there are plenty of haters, this thread shows that some people enjoyed it and actually prefered it over Last Remnant, so in relation to the topic creator, he is inclinded to know both sides.
I bought both of them full price. Both have framerate issues and could benefit from another run through with the QA team and whatnot. But I ended up finishing IU and having some good fun spamming skills and even dabbled in the post-game dungeon. TLR I never got past the 5 or 6 bases (think I got 3) and just couldnt grind past them because of some wonky BR bullshit. I'd actually love a sequel to IU, sorry overwhelming majority that thought it was shit. Even if TLR was on PC and better, I couldnt imagine myself double dipping to run all over that damn desert again for those sidequests that took for fcking ever to finish. So IU is my vote 
I finished IU and still think it's mediocre, even though I enjoyed it enough obviously to finish it. A lot of wasted potential, and a lot of questionable design decisions. Dinner dinner dinner was the best part of the game, yeah :lol
TLR 360 doesn't have turbo, but I think it had an auto-QTE option which I didn't use.
It also has a cap on number of leaders in your party (which increases as you progress through the story, up to a a max of 6). I actually found this to be very beneficial to the game, since it significantly changes how you approach party customization. By being able to fill your entire party with leaders, the game embraces a more 'JRPG'-esque nature, where you get a full party and keep them throughout the whole game, as they gain more and more skills along various paths. By being limited to only a set number of leaders, the rest of your unions had to be composed of generic soldiers. Thus, I found to be a large boon for the game (and in replaying the game through PC, will be how I play it again), because - given their generic nature and relatively limited growth potential - you can swap them in and out of the party and not suffer many setbacks. Everytime you go back to the main town, you can just check the recruitment officer and change your soldiers around. This allows you to customize your party based on your current needs, rather than based on which units you leveled up and which you didn't. This is because the newest recruits are always at a skill level more or less equivalent to the soldiers you have in the party (just, with a different skillset), allowing you to swap between them very painlessly.
TLR 360 doesn't have turbo, but I think it had an auto-QTE option which I didn't use.
It also has a cap on number of leaders in your party (which increases as you progress through the story, up to a a max of 6). I actually found this to be very beneficial to the game, since it significantly changes how you approach party customization. By being able to fill your entire party with leaders, the game embraces a more 'JRPG'-esque nature, where you get a full party and keep them throughout the whole game, as they gain more and more skills along various paths. By being limited to only a set number of leaders, the rest of your unions had to be composed of generic soldiers. Thus, I found to be a large boon for the game (and in replaying the game through PC, will be how I play it again), because - given their generic nature and relatively limited growth potential - you can swap them in and out of the party and not suffer many setbacks. Everytime you go back to the main town, you can just check the recruitment officer and change your soldiers around. This allows you to customize your party based on your current needs, rather than based on which units you leveled up and which you didn't. This is because the newest recruits are always at a skill level more or less equivalent to the soldiers you have in the party (just, with a different skillset), allowing you to swap between them very painlessly.
gregor7777
Banned
Yasae said:
Can you defeat all of the sidequest bosses without the grinding? I can't recall.
I've been playing JRPGs since the original Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy on the NES, and felt I should weight in on this topic too since I did buy both games at release.
I am in the few minority that actually enjoyed Infinite Undiscovery. I beat it three times on the 360, got all 1000 Achievement points, and even wrote a guide for the hardest difficulty on it. Infinite Undiscovery is a pretty standard JRPG for this generation, and hasn't done much evolving at all. It could have very well been a PS2 game - but to me the gameplay was still enjoyable.
I played about an hour or two into The Last Remnant after doing a full install on my 360 and I stopped playing it shortly after that. The questing, combat system, storyline, etc. just didn't work for me so I stopped it and got rid of it. In a way, I pick up JRPG games because I like the traditional elements that they possess - The Last Remnant was not what I would consider a traditional JRPG.
My argument for the two is that The Last Remnant tries a lot of "innovative" things, and if they work for you, you'll enjoy it more. But if you prefer a more traditional JRPG that actually plays more like an action-RPG, Infinite Undiscovery was good enough for me to play through three times. The characters and storyline were typical throwaway JRPG fare, but being able to jump and perform special attacks and seeing 9999 pop up on enemies was more gratifying that I expected.
Having said all that, none of these JRPG games compare to the SNES glory days though, but I guess we have to take what we can get in this day and age.
I am in the few minority that actually enjoyed Infinite Undiscovery. I beat it three times on the 360, got all 1000 Achievement points, and even wrote a guide for the hardest difficulty on it. Infinite Undiscovery is a pretty standard JRPG for this generation, and hasn't done much evolving at all. It could have very well been a PS2 game - but to me the gameplay was still enjoyable.
I played about an hour or two into The Last Remnant after doing a full install on my 360 and I stopped playing it shortly after that. The questing, combat system, storyline, etc. just didn't work for me so I stopped it and got rid of it. In a way, I pick up JRPG games because I like the traditional elements that they possess - The Last Remnant was not what I would consider a traditional JRPG.
My argument for the two is that The Last Remnant tries a lot of "innovative" things, and if they work for you, you'll enjoy it more. But if you prefer a more traditional JRPG that actually plays more like an action-RPG, Infinite Undiscovery was good enough for me to play through three times. The characters and storyline were typical throwaway JRPG fare, but being able to jump and perform special attacks and seeing 9999 pop up on enemies was more gratifying that I expected.
Having said all that, none of these JRPG games compare to the SNES glory days though, but I guess we have to take what we can get in this day and age.
Both have weak histories but TLR has better characters (i would send half of the cast of Infinite Undiscovery to die in a fire, and i'm being considerate). The combat system of Infinite Undiscovery is pretty good (the best thing of the game) but the entire game feels unfinished and half-assed.
The Last Remnant tried a lot of innovative things on the gameplay, and it's pretty interesting overall, but i'm my experience is pretty random. Sometimes you would mop the floor with your enemy in one or two turns....and sometimes the enemy would chain critical hits and special attacks like nothing.
The Last Remnant tried a lot of innovative things on the gameplay, and it's pretty interesting overall, but i'm my experience is pretty random. Sometimes you would mop the floor with your enemy in one or two turns....and sometimes the enemy would chain critical hits and special attacks like nothing.
GamePnoy74
Member
I've been trying to find a good deal on TLR for PC (under $20 or so like the 360 version nowadays) but to no avail...been wanting to play it out on my new rig, the benchmark even worked well on my hardware...
Harteex said:
Yep that outdoor,sunny area of the game was pretty good,Gran Pulse is a little like this also,it was big,you could see the ennemies from far away and all and the real time battles where fun in that area because of this...the game needed more places like that one,instead of the weird ``bring a snake to the door`` type quest it had.
Gaming Truth
Member
The Last Remnant:
- PC if you can
- 360 if you can install on the HDD
IU started out innocent enough and devolved to pure crap by the time I was finished.
- PC if you can
- 360 if you can install on the HDD
IU started out innocent enough and devolved to pure crap by the time I was finished.
I really didn't like TLR that much, but it wasn't a terrible game. I just couldn't find any reason to go further in it because of the awful story and the unrewarding battle system with excessive weird statistics. It's a great example of the niche Japanese RPG to me, as it has so much random shit that you don't see in a lot of other RPGs of either kind, and all of it feels like something you only get out of Japanese games. Mainly all the stuff like stats and crazy, almost arbitrary, unit movements and so on.
DeusTrinitas
Banned
Vorador said:
I totally agree. While I recommend TLR over IU, TLR's randomness drove me up the wall at times.
IoCaster
Member
clashfan said:
I haven't played IU, but TLR has a fun battle system going for it. The story/plot is utter tripe and the dialogue/VA kinda sucks. Also, although the battle system is fun once you learn how to get the most out of it, there's a lot of frustration and moments of incoherent rage involved. Once it clicks and you start to put the beatdown on some of the tougher mobs, it's very satisfying.
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
thebaroness said:
do not want
SEGAvangelist
Member
So I definitely spoke too soon about The Last Remnant. This thread inspired me to try out the PC version and it's really fun. It makes me wish I had stuck with the 360 version a little longer. The combat is awesome and it's a great game to look at with all the settings up. Just make sure to have a good gamepad. Right now I'm using the SixAxis emulated as a 360 controller and it's working great. I'm only about 3 hours in or so, but I'm definitely going to stick with this one.
Nose Master
Member
They're both not even worth it at discount. Fucking terrible.
Bay Maximus
Banned
Mass Effect 2.
No, but seriously, TLR is actually fun once you get into it. Not as good as Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, etc, but still a fun run through.
No, but seriously, TLR is actually fun once you get into it. Not as good as Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, etc, but still a fun run through.