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Aaargh, it's Tucker Carlson. Already trying to bash Obama right now

 

[Diablos]

Zogby has Obama at +4.0, which matches what I previously posted thinking it could have been wrong.

(31% Obama/24% Clinton/27% Edwards)

 

[eznark]

Go Obama!

He certainly needs this if he is to win.

I've never really felt so detached before, as I know none of these chuckle heads will make me anything less than furious. It's sort of like watching the Yankees v Red Sox. I just wish they'd all go away.

 

[Artie]

He certainly needs this if he is to win.

I've never really felt so detached before, as I know none of these chuckle heads will make me anything less than furious. It's sort of like watching the Yankees v Red Sox. I just wish they'd all go away.

Kind of how I feel about ALL of the candidates. :/

Go Obama, I guess.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Dems
1. Obama
2. Edwards
3. Clinton

Republicans
1. Huckabee
2. Romney
3. Paul/McCain tie

 

[Karma Kramer]

CNN has actually been giving Paul some props today... they seem slightly optimistic that he will do well.

 

[Sylar]

Whats the difference between the Iowa Caucus and the New Hampshire Primarys?

 

[camineet]

as long as hillary comes in 3rd, i don't care who's 1st or 2nd.

 

[Flo_Evans]

as long as hillary comes in 3rd, i don't care who's 1st or 2nd.

QFT.

 

[perfectchaos007]

CNN has actually been giving Paul some props today... they seem slightly optimistic that he will do well.

I have been switching from MSNBC and Fox News all day. ( Mainly MSNBC ) and they haven't mentioned Paul once. I guess I'm watching the wrong networks. *changes to CNN*

 

[eznark]

Kind of how I feel about ALL of the candidates. :/

Go Obama, I guess.

Meh. I'm probably leaning Romney. This is a year I could see myself voting for a democrat, but I can't abide socialized health care.

 

[APF]

I was dead center/center on that political compass link above.

 

[Amir0x]

He certainly needs this if he is to win.

I've never really felt so detached before, as I know none of these chuckle heads will make me anything less than furious. It's sort of like watching the Yankees v Red Sox. I just wish they'd all go away.

Yeah, there's no candidate I'd really love to win... except Bill Richardson. Too bad he has a negative fifty two percent chance of actually being president.

Of the frontrunners, I prefer Obama. But it's really not saying anything at all, because the rest of the candidates aren't exactly anything I'd vote for ever.

 

[Tamanon]

BTW, read an interesting book today, Confessions of a Political Hitman, written by an opposition research(dirt-digger) who worked campaigns for decades. Basically a look at negative campaigning and what effects it had on politics.

 

[eznark]

BTW, read an interesting book today, Confessions of a Political Hitman, written by an opposition research(dirt-digger) who worked campaigns for decades. Basically a look at negative campaigning and what effects it had on politics.

I didn't think that was out yet??

 

[Tamanon]

I didn't think that was out yet??

Picked it up from Barnes & Noble. Had some interesting stuff in there also on the whole Abramoff thing that I hadn't seen anywhere else.

 

[eznark]

Picked it up from Barnes & Noble. Had some interesting stuff in there also on the whole Abramoff thing that I hadn't seen anywhere else.

If you're into political reads, check out The Myth of the Rational Voter. A little dry but incredibly interesting.

 

[siamesedreamer]

Yeah, there's no candidate I'd really love to win... except Bill Richardson.

Bill Richardson is the governor of New Mexico. He was re-elected governor of New Mexico in 2006. The citizens of New Mexico elected Bill Richardson governor by a margin of two-to-one.

 

[eznark]

Bill Richardson is the governor of New Mexico. He was re-elected governor of New Mexico in 2006. The citizens of New Mexico elected Bill Richardson governor by a margin of two-to-one.

What is the point here??

 

[Thomper]

Yeah, I really don't think they place the candidates very well.

They're placed depending on their position on the issues you're asked about. The website has been very popular the last few years with Dutch elections - they've only recently been creating versions for elections in other countries. Also, they're very clear on saying that this website doesn't tell you what to vote, it just gives you a better view of the issues out there and helps you collect your opinions on those issues, and which candidates match up with those views.

 

[Tamanon]

What is the point here??

He was making fun of Bill Richardson's "resume" method of extolling his virtues.

 

[NWO]

Yeah, there's no candidate I'd really love to win... except Bill Richardson. Too bad he has a negative fifty two percent chance of actually being president.

America is just not ready for a Hispanic President.

 

[eznark]

He was making fun of Bill Richardson's "resume" method of extolling his virtues.

ahhh, well, better than "my husband was the president" I suppose.

 

[Tamanon]

Hrm, wonder when the JebIn2012 website will be going up.

BTW, from a sports blog I visit, list of athletes and sports figures and who they donated to.

Ron Paul obviously wins this list.

REPUBLICANS

• Rudy Giuliani: George Steinbrenner, Brian France, Jeff Gordon, Kiki Van De Weghe, John Elway, Alex Rodriguez, Fran Tarkenton.
• John McCain: Roger Goodell, Jerry Reinsdorf, Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, George Bodenheimer, Lute Olson.
• Ron Paul: Wrestling "superstar" Kane.
• Mitt Romney: Robert Kraft, Vin Scully.
• Fred Thompson: Peyton Manning.

DEMOCRATS

• Hillary Clinton: David Stern, Bob Bowman, Rodney Peete, Maloof Brothers, James Dolan, Jeffrey Lurie.
• Chris Dodd: Bud Selig, Dick Ebersol, Robert DuPuy, George Bodenheimer, Jim Calhoun.
• John Edwards: Scott Boras.
• Barack Obama: Juanita Jordan, Jerry Reinsdorf, John Papenek, Desmond Howard, Scoop Jackson, Billy King, Stephon Marbury, Emmitt Smith, Phil Jackson.

 

[eznark]

Hrm, wonder when the JebIn2012 website will be going up.

BTW, from a sports blog I visit, list of athletes and sports figures and who they donated to.

Ron Paul obviously wins this list.

REPUBLICANS

• Rudy Giuliani: George Steinbrenner, Brian France, Jeff Gordon, Kiki Van De Weghe, John Elway, Alex Rodriguez, Fran Tarkenton.
• John McCain: Roger Goodell, Jerry Reinsdorf, Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, George Bodenheimer, Lute Olson.
• Ron Paul: Wrestling "superstar" Kane.
• Mitt Romney: Robert Kraft, Vin Scully.
• Fred Thompson: Peyton Manning.

DEMOCRATS

• Hillary Clinton: David Stern, Bob Bowman, Rodney Peete, Maloof Brothers, James Dolan, Jeffrey Lurie.
• Chris Dodd: Bud Selig, Dick Ebersol, Robert DuPuy, George Bodenheimer, Jim Calhoun.
• John Edwards: Scott Boras.
• Barack Obama: Juanita Jordan, Jerry Reinsdorf, John Papenek, Desmond Howard, Scoop Jackson, Billy King, Stephon Marbury, Emmitt Smith, Phil Jackson.

Where are Bob Knight (huge GOP guy) and Dean Smith (rabid socialist)??

 

[infiniteloop]

• Hillary Clinton: David Stern, Bob Bowman, Rodney Peete, Maloof Brothers, James Dolan, Jeffrey Lurie.

lulz

 

[NWO]

Hrm, wonder when the JebIn2012 website will be going up.

BTW, from a sports blog I visit, list of athletes and sports figures and who they donated to.

Ron Paul obviously wins this list.

REPUBLICANS

• Rudy Giuliani: George Steinbrenner, Brian France, Jeff Gordon, Kiki Van De Weghe, John Elway, Alex Rodriguez, Fran Tarkenton.
• John McCain: Roger Goodell, Jerry Reinsdorf, Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, George Bodenheimer, Lute Olson.
• Ron Paul: Wrestling "superstar" Kane.
• Mitt Romney: Robert Kraft, Vin Scully.
• Fred Thompson: Peyton Manning.

DEMOCRATS

• Hillary Clinton: David Stern, Bob Bowman, Rodney Peete, Maloof Brothers, James Dolan, Jeffrey Lurie.
• Chris Dodd: Bud Selig, Dick Ebersol, Robert DuPuy, George Bodenheimer, Jim Calhoun.
• John Edwards: Scott Boras.
• Barack Obama: Juanita Jordan, Jerry Reinsdorf, John Papenek, Desmond Howard, Scoop Jackson, Billy King, Stephon Marbury, Emmitt Smith, Phil Jackson.

Rudy campaign choking confirmed.

 

[Tamanon]

Rudy campaign choking confirmed.

We also would've accepted "Steinbrenner makes sense, he's used to throwing money away on a losing New York team"

 

[eznark]

We also would've accepted "Steinbrenner makes sense, he's used to throwing money away on a losing New York team"

If donors are a reflection of the candidates, I have two words.

Scoop. Jackson.

 

[Kusagari]

Hrm, wonder when the JebIn2012 website will be going up.

BTW, from a sports blog I visit, list of athletes and sports figures and who they donated to.

Ron Paul obviously wins this list.

REPUBLICANS

• Rudy Giuliani: George Steinbrenner, Brian France, Jeff Gordon, Kiki Van De Weghe, John Elway, Alex Rodriguez, Fran Tarkenton.
• John McCain: Roger Goodell, Jerry Reinsdorf, Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, George Bodenheimer, Lute Olson.
• Ron Paul: Wrestling "superstar" Kane.
• Mitt Romney: Robert Kraft, Vin Scully.
• Fred Thompson: Peyton Manning.

DEMOCRATS

• Hillary Clinton: David Stern, Bob Bowman, Rodney Peete, Maloof Brothers, James Dolan, Jeffrey Lurie.
• Chris Dodd: Bud Selig, Dick Ebersol, Robert DuPuy, George Bodenheimer, Jim Calhoun.
• John Edwards: Scott Boras.
• Barack Obama: Juanita Jordan, Jerry Reinsdorf, John Papenek, Desmond Howard, Scoop Jackson, Billy King, Stephon Marbury, Emmitt Smith, Phil Jackson.

Looks like McCain has the power of the NFL behind him.

 

[NWO]

We also would've accepted "Steinbrenner makes sense, he's used to throwing money away on a losing New York team"

Steinbrenner doesn't own the Mets.

 

[The Orange]

In how many hours are the results coming out? I'm contemplating staying up, unless it's at 7am Europetime.

 

[Incognito]

Fuck I'm all anxious... kinda nervous, too.

 

[siamesedreamer]

We'll probably have a good idea by 10 est.

 

[perfectchaos007]

44 minutes and counting till it starts. 1 hour 44 minutes till we know results! ZOMG!

We'll probably have a good idea by 10 est.

They said 9est on MSNBC. But who knows...

Sometime between 9 & 10 est.

 

[Tamanon]

Zogby has Huckabee ahead by 6 points, basically 3 way tie between Paul, McCain and Thompson at 10%.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Zogby has Huckabee ahead by 6 points, basically 3 way tie between Paul, McCain and Thompson at 10%.

If it truly is a three way tie for third between decided voters, then Paul will get third because of the Paul recruiters.

 

[Incognito]

First entrance polls should be available within the next 15 minutes...

I'm already down one Corona. Who's with me?!

 

[Tamanon]

Man, every new piece of Romney footage I see, I'm convinced he's a robot crafted for politics. Everything is just too neat about him.

 

[Incognito]

Man, every new piece of Romney footage I see, I'm convinced he's a robot crafted for politics. Everything is just too neat about him.

There is an excellent piece about Romney, "How to build the perfect conservative" (paraphrase) at Harpers written by Ken Silverstein. I'll dig it up. It also delves into the machinery of South Carolina primary politics. Good stuff...

Making Mitt Romney: How to fabricate a conservative

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Obama really needs this

I can't wait to see who wins tonight, anxious is a good word

 

[Macam]

Fuck I'm all anxious... kinda nervous, too.

Honestly, I'm not the least bit concerned; the "worst" the Democrats could do is have Edwards or Obama lead the candidates. The chips will fall where they will, and while I have no doubt the vast majority of the punditry will be wrong, I don't think they'll be altogether that far off either in terms of some of their predictions.

 

[g23]

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA !!!

 

[Smiles and Cries]

http://www.cnn.com < --- has live streams all the action should start in 25 mins

 

[eznark]

There is an excellent piece about Romney, "How to build the perfect conservative" (paraphrase) at Harpers written by Ken Silverstein. I'll dig it up. It also delves into the machinery of South Carolina primary politics. Good stuff...

Making Mitt Romney: How to fabricate a conservative

When following politics old fashioned's are the only way to go my friend.

edit: I meant to quote your Corona comment

 

[deadbeef]

44 minutes and counting till it starts. 1 hour 44 minutes till we know results! ZOMG!



They said 9est on MSNBC. But who knows...

Sometime between 9 & 10 est.

Wait, this only takes 1 hour?

 

[thefro]

early anecdotal evidence has sounded good for Obama.. liveblogs say huge turnouts and lots of young people.

Also the media hasn't budged yet on their narrative today even though they should have some entrance poll data by now.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Whats the difference between the Iowa Caucus and the New Hampshire Primarys?

I didn't know, until I read the article -jinx- posted.

http://www.slate.com/id/2181008/

I had no idea. What a fucking joke. :\

 

[Smiles and Cries]

The Media will focus on Clinton

 

[Synth_floyd]

On the Democrats: ANYBODY BUT CLINTON. Can't decide if Edwards or Obama is better.

On the Republicans: Let's hope my libertarian man can pull out a strong showing!

Also, the amount of influence that the Iowa caucus has is crazy stupid. It's one of those things that if they were going to setup the electoral practice from scratch right now in 2008 they would never do anything like it but because it's already in place then that's the way it is. Same with New Hampshire. These two states have way too much influence every single year. Though it's also the voters' fault in other states for being influenced by these early, almost meaningless contests.