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[Rodney McKay]

Can't agree as I get a couple days worth of moderate usage off one charge. That's hours of web browsing, streaming audio over lte, Bluetooth on all the time and steaming audio over it for a couple hours. Maybe a couple calls.

It was only iffy when I had the failing battery. It's been awesome otherwise.

Whoa, this is the first impression I've seen of it having anything better than an average battery life.

I had one for a few weeks and it was always less than 50% at the end of the day with just moderate web browsing, calls, and texts. My girlfriend has had hers for a lot longer and even with the extra battery case she uses she has to charge it throughout the day to keep it going.

My Note 2 is the only phone I've had that has been able to have the kind of battery performance you're describing. Damn impressive that you can get that much out of your iPhone, since I probably would have kept mine if it had lasted longer on individual charges.

 

[VoxPop]

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In order for me to consider switching, I need to view multiple benchmarks. It's not switching to an iPhone 6 if the benchmarks don't average quadruple performance boosts over the iPhone 5.

I expect a 2600+ Mah battery. If it's not there then battery life better exceed most Android phones on the market.

Surprise me Apple with something I haven't seen.

I need a minimum QHD resolution because that LG G3 is looking real nice. I'd almost take the LG G3 over the iPhone 6 if the G3 had the option of disabling software buttons.

I'll erupt if Apple announces an iPhone with 128 GB of storage.

Will it take them three months to sell the unlocked version on their online store? I'm on record as saying they won't sell 80 million handsets.

The 5S already blew away a majority of the competition in benchmarks based on Anandtech.

As much as I would love a QHD screen, its pretty useless as none of the apps support it. They run at 1080p iirc. Some even being blocked on the Play Store for download due to non support. Unless you were talking about watching 1440p movies/pictures on your phone. But if anyone were to do it right with proper support, it would be Apple.

I don't think 128GB is far off and they will finally move on to 32/64 this year.

 

[Appleman]

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In order for me to consider switching, I need to view multiple benchmarks. It's not switching to an iPhone 6 if the benchmarks don't average quadruple performance boosts over the iPhone 5.

Not saying that this is impossible, but really what's the point of such an arbitrary qualification? If it falls just short numerically of 4x the speed of an already pretty speedy smartphone, it's not worth it?

I just want to see what the extra power will actually let me do, I went from a 5->5s which has a pretty sizeable performance increase but I have to say I only notice it occasionally.

 

[ReAxion]

Not saying that this is impossible, but really what's the point of such an arbitrary qualification? If it falls just short numerically of 4x the speed of an already pretty speedy smartphone, it's not worth it?

It totally devalues software by assuming iOS and Android (or whatever else) are equal and all that matters is hardware.

 

[LCfiner]

Whoa, this is the first impression I've seen of it having anything better than an average battery life.

I had one for a few weeks and it was always less than 50% at the end of the day with just moderate web browsing, calls, and texts. My girlfriend has had hers for a lot longer and even with the extra battery case she uses she has to charge it throughout the day to keep it going.

My Note 2 is the only phone I've had that has been able to have the kind of battery performance you're describing. Damn impressive that you can get that much out of your iPhone, since I probably would have kept mine if it had lasted longer on individual charges.

naaaah. there were lots of impressions of good battery life from people when the 5 came out. and from review sites too.

iOS 7 made things worse with background app refresh so that requires some more control on the user’s part to stop a bunch of apps from consuming more data. but, aside from that it’s still decent.

and keep in mind that when i say two days i mean it’s dead at the end of day 2. so that means, on average, I have between 50 and 60% left at the end of one day (usually 70% left at the end of the workday). So if you say your gf has less than 50% at the end of the day, how much less are we talking about? a little less would make it comparable to my results. a lot less would suggest she either has a bad battery (like I had for a few months) or her usage is much heavier.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

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In order for me to consider switching, I need to view multiple benchmarks. It's not switching to an iPhone 6 if the benchmarks don't average quadruple performance boosts over the iPhone 5.

I expect a 2600+ Mah battery. If it's not there then battery life better exceed most Android phones on the market.

Surprise me Apple with something I haven't seen.

I need a minimum QHD resolution because that LG G3 is looking real nice. I'd almost take the LG G3 over the iPhone 6 if the G3 had the option of disabling software buttons.

I'll erupt if Apple announces an iPhone with 128 GB of storage.

Will it take them three months to sell the unlocked version on their online store? I'm on record as saying they won't sell 80 million handsets.

So you're not getting an iPhone.

Apple generally doubles CPU performance across generation, so you're good there.

Battery most likely won't be 2600Mah, but what I think you're forgetting is iOS is already more energy efficient than Android, and this will be the first phone with a 20nm CPU. Not to mention all the energy efficiency gains from newer generations of all the other chipsets (LTE, WiFi, etc.). The energy efficiency gains of the iPhone 6 over the 5 are going to be huge, but it's not going to be because of a monstrously large battery.

I'm not sure why you need QHD, or why we're even talking about resolution, rather than PPI. What PPI is enough for you, and don't you think there are other improvements Apple could put into the phone instead that would have much bigger returns than the already diminishing returns of PPI?

 

[NotBacon]

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I need a minimum QHD resolution because that LG G3 is looking real nice. I'd almost take the LG G3 over the iPhone 6 if the G3 had the option of disabling software buttons.

You don't want QHD.
It really looks the same as 1080p, except now your battery has taken a hit, your gpu is constantly struggling, and your phone constantly overheats.
Phones that can comfortably handle QHD are still about 2 years away, but even then it's still a pointless decision...

 

[NotBacon]

but what I think you're forgetting is iOS is already more energy efficient than Android

How is iOS more energy efficient? I don't keep up with iOS too much.

 

[Mindwipe]

Can't agree as I get a couple days worth of moderate usage off one charge. That's hours of web browsing, streaming audio over lte, Bluetooth on all the time and steaming audio over it for a couple hours. Maybe a couple calls.

It was only iffy when I had the failing battery. It's been awesome otherwise.

I don't stream. Just web browsing. Bluetooth is always off.

The only way I would get "a couple of days" moderate usage would be to redefine the length of a day as roughly four hours.

 

[Final Boss]

Bring on that 5.5", the battery on my iPhone 5 is at 70% capacity and is dead with mild use

 

[neogaffer1]

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In order for me to consider switching, I need to view multiple benchmarks. It's not switching to an iPhone 6 if the benchmarks don't average quadruple performance boosts over the iPhone 5.

I expect a 2600+ Mah battery. If it's not there then battery life better exceed most Android phones on the market.

Surprise me Apple with something I haven't seen.

I need a minimum QHD resolution because that LG G3 is looking real nice. I'd almost take the LG G3 over the iPhone 6 if the G3 had the option of disabling software buttons.

I'll erupt if Apple announces an iPhone with 128 GB of storage.

Will it take them three months to sell the unlocked version on their online store? I'm on record as saying they won't sell 80 million handsets.

Oh god, I thought we were past this Spec Warz(tm) bullshit.

Performance gains in iOS don't matter much because lag isn't very perceptible in the first place due to how optimized the OS is. Pushing specs even in the Android space doesn't really matter anymore because even six month old SoCs handle performance completely fine.

Battery life on iOS usually does not rely on gigantic batteries because of said optimization.

The G3 was criticized for going with a 1440p display--it resulted in extra strain on the processor to very little gain because the extra pixels don't add much if any perceptible sharpness over 1080p. On top of that the panel was underperforming in other areas as LG calibrated it in a way to offset the extra power consumption from the extra pixels by not pushing the display to its limits--Anandtech's graphs show that the panel is decidedly average compared to the competition:

etc.

How is iOS more energy efficient? I don't keep up with iOS too much.

Optimization. By targeting a single hardware config (or, in this case, a few different ones) Apple is able to code the software in a way that it takes the most advantage of the hardware in the handset and as a result doesn't have to spend more time and power performing tasks that something like Android, with hundreds of hardware configs, has to deal with.

 

[The Real Abed]

There's a reason Apple uses resolutions only slightly higher than what is considered "retina". My iPhone 5C could have a 1080p or even 720p resolution and I wouldn't even notice it visually, but would definitely notice it battery-wise. It's stupid that display resolution should factor into these arguments. Use a display that has the correct DPI and not much higher and you won't even care that it's not 1080p or 4K. (Unless 1080p happens to be the right DPI for whatever you're using.)

But that's just me.

 

[Furyous]

Not saying that this is impossible, but really what's the point of such an arbitrary qualification? If it falls just short numerically of 4x the speed of an already pretty speedy smartphone, it's not worth it?

I just want to see what the extra power will actually let me do, I went from a 5->5s which has a pretty sizeable performance increase but I have to say I only notice it occasionally.

In order to switch from an iPhone 4 to an iPhone 5, I needed benchmarks that quadrupled the performance of the iPhone 4. That happened with the iPhone 5. Obviously, the benchmarks might not quadruple the performance of the iPhone 5 due to such a short turnaround. However, at least double the performance of the iPhone 5.

You're right, it's more about what the device is capable of doing with that power.

So you're not getting an iPhone.

Apple generally doubles CPU performance across generation, so you're good there.

Battery most likely won't be 2600Mah, but what I think you're forgetting is iOS is already more energy efficient than Android, and this will be the first phone with a 20nm CPU. Not to mention all the energy efficiency gains from newer generations of all the other chipsets (LTE, WiFi, etc.). The energy efficiency gains of the iPhone 6 over the 5 are going to be huge, but it's not going to be because of a monstrously large battery.

I'm not sure why you need QHD, or why we're even talking about resolution, rather than PPI. What PPI is enough for you, and don't you think there are other improvements Apple could put into the phone instead that would have much bigger returns than the already diminishing returns of PPI?

I need QHD because this might be the final smartphone I buy. I need a future proof device that lasts at least three years. I need at least a 100 PPI increase over the iPhone 5S. Honestly, I'm a tad bit jealous of the Android phones with 534 PPI. Whatever PPI Apple uses in the iPhone 6 needs to be on par with elite modern Android super phones.

If Apple uses a PPI lower than 427 then there'd better be bigger returns. Apple didn't sell 60 million headsets in a year because people are sheep. These devices are so great that even in down years they outsell all competitors.

Hopefully they convince me to buy an iPhone 6. If they don't Android L is looking lovely right now. MKBHD raves about the battery life on the developer preview on his Nexus 5. Let that sink in and think about future battery life improvements to expect out of all smartphones.

*EDIT*

After viewing neogaffer's post, I can erase a few qualifications from my must have list. I don't need a 2600 Mah battery in the iPhone 6 but make it last substantially longer than comparative Android phones. At least go over 2200 Mah. QHD resolution isn't necessary just find a way to make it look like the resolution is doubled or tripled. I'm not making that a requirement anymore. To reiterate: improve the battery over the iPhone 5 somehow, increase the resolution but QHD isn't a requirement, and add improvements that make the phone a must buy for consumers coming from an iPhone 5.

 

[VoxPop]

In order to switch from an iPhone 4 to an iPhone 5, I needed benchmarks that quadrupled the performance of the iPhone 4. That happened with the iPhone 5. Obviously, the benchmarks might not quadruple the performance of the iPhone 5 due to such a short turnaround. However, at least double the performance of the iPhone 5.

You're right, it's more about what the device is capable of doing with that power.



I need QHD because this might be the final smartphone I buy. I need a future proof device that lasts at least three years. I need at least a 100 PPI increase over the iPhone 5S. Honestly, I'm a tad bit jealous of the Android phones with 534 PPI. Whatever PPI Apple uses in the iPhone 6 needs to be on par with elite modern Android super phones.

If Apple uses a PPI lower than 427 then there'd better be bigger returns. Apple didn't sell 60 million headsets in a year because people are sheep. These devices are so great that even in down years they outsell all competitors.

Hopefully they convince me to buy an iPhone 6. If they don't Android L is looking lovely right now. MKBHD raves about the battery life on the developer preview on his Nexus 5. Let that sink in and think about future battery life improvements to expect out of all smartphones.

Mm. I swap out between the HTC One (M7) and 5S and the difference in PPI is negligible (469 vs 326). I'd rather they invest their resources in a superb battery or even add more RAM. QHD is great and all but if its going to bog down my phone and make it overheat at times, I'd rather not deal with it. QHD is hardly future proofing anything if its going to still be struggling down the line when apps actually start using it.

As for the battery life. The N5 battery started as abysmal and went to decent with the L preview. Not to mention, a majority of the flagships won't get L for quite a while and be heavily skinned on top of that. Unless you were talking about going down the Nexus route.

I usually switch off between iOS and Android every year or two (GNex, One X, GS3, One) and regret it every time. The One not as much. I personally won't be returning to Android unless they greatly improve their hardware, design and ecosystem which I doubt will be for a while.

 

[NotBacon]

Optimization. By targeting a single hardware config (or, in this case, a few different ones) Apple is able to code the software in a way that it takes the most advantage of the hardware in the handset and as a result doesn't have to spend more time and power performing tasks that something like Android, with hundreds of hardware configs, has to deal with.

What kind of optimizations?

 

[An-Det]

Nice to have the date finally confirmed, I was expecting the 16th instead. I can't replace my phone fast enough, so the sooner the iPhone 6 releases the better.

 

[neogaffer1]

What kind of optimizations?

I don't know much about the inner workings of either OS, but to my knowledge it's something like this:

If you have a fixed hardware config, you can easily analyze a specific SoC and really figure out what it's efficient at and what it isn't at, and tailor your OS to suit the most efficient parts of your SoC. On top of that, by coding "to the metal" like consoles do, you cut back on extra compute time and as a result less power is expended doing more complex tasks.

Think of it this way; in Android, if you wanted to contact the GPS service, you would start at the app, then go through the system, call a service that controls the GPS, it contacts the GPS module driver, and then the app calls the location, the service gets the location from the GPS driver, and that information is delivered back to the app. In iOS, the service is more efficient at using the GPS module and less power is expended through the whole process of working through several different steps--an app asks for location, and the service turns on the GPS, finds out, turns it off, and tells the app the location.

On top of this, the OS has stronger restrictions on background activity, also reducing compute power.

 

[LCfiner]

I don't stream. Just web browsing. Bluetooth is always off.

The only way I would get "a couple of days" moderate usage would be to redefine the length of a day as roughly four hours.

I would suggest you got shit service from the Apple store genius who said your battery was good to go.

… I went there when I started having battery problems. ugh. they just looked at my crash logs - found around 3 or 4 - and told me to completely erase my phone and NOT restore from a backup and if I had problems then I should come back.

So I did that and it made no long term difference. It was a little better for the first couple weeks but went to crap after that. they just wanted to save on replacing a battery.

frankly, each experience I have at the Apple store makes me want to go there less and less.

A properly working battery can handle a full day of heavy usage or a couple days of medium usage (but the second day will be near dead).


(side note on quick stress test I did pre and post battery replacement. pre replacement, I streamed Netflix with screen brightness on Max using LTE. averaged 1% battery drop per minute. ran test for around 60 minutes. After battery replacement, same test resulted in less than 0.5% battery drop per minute. more than double the life on the stress test. And that matches up with my daily usage as well. I no longer leave work with ~30% battery but with 60 to 75% battery)

 

[neogaffer1]

I would suggest you got shit service from the Apple store genius who said your battery was good to go.

… I went there when I started having battery problems. ugh. they just looked at my crash logs - found around 3 or 4 - and told me to completely erase my phone and NOT restore from a backup and if I had problems then I should come back.

So I did that and it made no long term difference. It was a little better for the first couple weeks but went to crap after that. they just wanted to save on replacing a battery.

frankly, each experience I have at the Apple store makes me want to go there less and less.

A properly working battery can handle a full day of heavy usage or a couple days of medium usage (but the second day will be near dead).


(side note on quick stress test I did pre and post battery replacement. pre replacement, I streamed Netflix with screen brightness on Max using LTE. averaged 1% battery drop per minute. ran test for around 60 minutes. After battery replacement, same test resulted in less than 0.5% battery drop per minute. more than double the life on the stress test. And that matches up with my daily usage as well. I no longer leave work with ~30% battery but with 60 to 75% battery)

Even for iOS that seems a bit...long.

 

[Squalor]

I still think there will be some pretty notable differences once the final build is shown.

 

[VoxPop]

Just waiting for the day they put god tier iPad battery life into the iPhone.

 

[The Real Abed]

Just waiting for the day they put god tier iPad battery life into the iPhone.

Sure, they can just make the iPhone as big as an iPad. The Phablet people would be super happy.

Spoiler

I know what you mean and I agree. Hopefully battery technology evolves fast.

 

[Camp Lo]

I never made a jump to Apple phones personally, my wife has always had them, but I'm wanting the 5 incher. That was my biggest complaint.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Battery is almost the same from what I've read

 

[Katana_Strikes]

iPhone 6 announced and Destiny released all on the same day? Big day!

 

[xbhaskarx]

I want a 5.5" phone with 128-256 GB of storage... will my requirements be met?

 

[ReAxion]

Battery is almost the same from what I've read

I don't think there's going to be dramatic battery life increases until there's a very different battery tech in place. The only thing we can really count on is there not being less battery life. Just the same or a little better each time as gains are offset for increases that draw more power here and there.

 

[LCfiner]

I want a 5.5" phone with 128-256 GB of storage... will my requirements be met?

I’d bet on a 128 hitting this year. 256… nah.

 

[The Real Abed]

I have no problem with the battery life on my 5C. So as long as the life in the 4.7" (Which will probably have a bigger battery and therefore more life) is equal to my current phone it'll be fine.

 

[FStop7]

Please hurry. My 4S is starting to do all kinds of weird stuff.

 

[JABEE]

I don't stream. Just web browsing. Bluetooth is always off.

The only way I would get "a couple of days" moderate usage would be to redefine the length of a day as roughly four hours.

Yeah. My launch iPhone 5 has the worst battery life of any consumer product I have ever used. I have owned every iPhone except the 3GS and 4S before it. My battery dies with less than 2 1/2 hours of browsing and TweetBot.

 

[Deku Tree]

A bigger iPhone will surely have a bigger battery, but it will also have a bigger screen, and it's rumored to be even thinner, so I am not 100% sure what the battery life would be...

 

[LCfiner]

Yeah. My launch iPhone 5 has the worst battery life of any consumer product I have ever used. I have owned every iPhone except the 3GS and 4S before it. My battery dies with less than 2 1/2 hours of browsing and TweetBot.

I’ll repeat myself: this means your battery is straight up broken. this is not normal behaviour. 2.5 hours of browsing? seriously? That’s not standard. You can get traditional iPhone style battery life by replacing the battery.

 

[zert]

Will there be an iPhone 6c? or what will happen to the colorful iPhones? I love my green 5c

 

[VoxPop]

Will there be an iPhone 6c? or what will happen to the colorful iPhones? I love my green 5c

I'm guessing they will keep the 5S or 5C as the budget phone. I'm assuming the 5C will be the one banished from their portfolio.

 

[Deku Tree]

Will there be an iPhone 6c? or what will happen to the colorful iPhones? I love my green 5c

They might put the 5s internals into the 5c case.

 

[LCfiner]

I’m hoping for 5S internals in a 5S case. well, technically, I’m hoping for 6 internals in a 5S case but that’s not gonna happen. (small form factor fan over here)

I think I may get a 5S this year. unlocked price will likely drop 100 bucks. Touch ID API makes that sensor more useful to me (big 1pwd user)

 

[Betta Lines]

They might put the 5s internals into the 5c case.

Or the 5C could become the iPhone equivalent of the iPad 2, just staying there in the lineup as the 'entry level' device for years.

 

[zert]

I hope they keep alive the "c" branch, maybe until next year when they release the 6s.

 

[NotBacon]

Think of it this way; in Android, if you wanted to contact the GPS service, you would start at the app, then go through the system, call a service that controls the GPS, it contacts the GPS module driver, and then the app calls the location, the service gets the location from the GPS driver, and that information is delivered back to the app. In iOS, the service is more efficient at using the GPS module and less power is expended through the whole process of working through several different steps--an app asks for location, and the service turns on the GPS, finds out, turns it off, and tells the app the location.

That's not really how it works, and I was just looking for something specific.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I hope they keep alive the "c" branch, maybe until next year when they release the 6s.

To me it makes most sense to Make the 6C have 5S internals and keep it 4 inch. And that C line will always be the 4 inch line and always have last years specs. the 4.7+ will be the new flagships.

People on the internets will complain who want flagship specs and smallest iphone but alas, it's the best decision imo.

 

[Hero Prinny]

I've always wanted an iPhone.when you jailbreak them they're so neat plus it has a great music player, haven't found one I enjoy on android. But alas they're simply far too expensive to justify the purchase. If it was like 300 for the cheapest model + micro sd support I'd so be down! Wonder what the new iPhone will have

 

[Tekniqs]

MIGHT be getting one at launch. I'm due for an upgrade and I hardly ever buy off contract since I know I'll be with AT&T anyhow for the foreseeable future. One big hang up though is that I'm going to be out of the country for a month starting mid October. Are carrier unlock codes available pretty quickly for Iphones? When I got my Galaxy s2 back in the day, I had it carrier unlocked the week of picking it up (IIRC).

 

[dorkimoe]

day 1, ready for an upgrade from my 5

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

MIGHT be getting one at launch. I'm due for an upgrade and I hardly ever buy off contract since I know I'll be with AT&T anyhow for the foreseeable future. One big hang up though is that I'm going to be out of the country for a month starting mid October. Are carrier unlock codes available pretty quickly for Iphones? When I got my Galaxy s2 back in the day, I had it carrier unlocked the week of picking it up (IIRC).

carrier unlock codes....iphone....does not compute.

 

[Ecto311]

Good I am wanting to either dump my current 5c for a 6 or 6c and if its the same bullshit as the last 2 generations of iPhone Ill go to a note or something a bit more interesting. I had a samsung Galaxy 3 and it was shit but the new note sounds really interesting with the pen interface.

 

[Tekniqs]

carrier unlock codes....iphone....does not compute.

/shrug figured I'd ask. Only Iphone I had in the past was the 4s and I didn't need it unlocked. All my Android phones have been unlocked eventually though

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

/shrug figured I'd ask. Only Iphone I had in the past was the 4s and I didn't need it unlocked. All my Android phones have been unlocked eventually though

yeah that was a pretty useless reply from me. Basically iphones don't have unlock codes. Your carrier will process the unlock and then you just have to restore your iphone and it's unlocked. In terms of when to do it, gotta check with the carrier. I know in Canada you need to wait at least 3 months though.

 

[tariniel]

I really don't think I'll bother to upgrade just yet. My 5S isn't even a year old yet, and I have no complaints about it.

Unless the larger screen on iPhone 6 allows it to use iPad only apps? I might consider it then.

I'm more interested in the new iPad mini, as I've been wanting to buy an iPad for a while but have been waiting for this years revision.

 

[numble]

MIGHT be getting one at launch. I'm due for an upgrade and I hardly ever buy off contract since I know I'll be with AT&T anyhow for the foreseeable future. One big hang up though is that I'm going to be out of the country for a month starting mid October. Are carrier unlock codes available pretty quickly for Iphones? When I got my Galaxy s2 back in the day, I had it carrier unlocked the week of picking it up (IIRC).

If you're talking about what I think you're saying, there are vendors like Chronic Unlocks that do that stuff.