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[PillowKnight]

But for the 360, Mistwalker cranked out two awesome RPG's that get no love whatsoever because so many people are on the Square-Enix bandwagon AND Japan seems to hate 360 with a passion -- Blue Dragon (best RPG of this gen so far, IMO) and Lost Odyssey (despite its flaws, the best Final Fantasy that's not even Final Fantasy since 1999).

I disagree with everything else(Well ok, FFXII does suck.). But this above, why do you assume that most FF fans hate Mistwalker games? If sales are any indication the majority of FF fans have not played the game.

Also you're insane if you think FFX/X-2 were weak gameplay wise.

 

[WickedLaharl]

i wish. ffx-2 and ffxii where pretty damn bad. and ffxiii has mechashiva ffs. still...i look forward to them even tho i know deep down inside that i'll just be disappointed by squenix again.

 

[Hitoshura]

I'm going to finish up this thread by saying my obligatory Final Fantasy X-2 rocks post. Shut the fuck up, plebes.

FF X-2 was a FUN game. Was it a good Final Fantasy? Eh.

But was it a fun game?

YES.

 

[RevenantKioku]

I'm going to finish up this thread by saying my obligatory Final Fantasy X-2 rocks post. Shut the fuck up, plebes.

You can tell the real FF fans by those who know X-2 is just better than 12.

 

[Diablos]

Is this a subtle 'Hay guys look at the great RPGs the 360 has' thread?

No.

I can't understand being annoyed by games you don't have to play. It doesn't make any sense. Look forward to FFXIII and don't care about the spinoffs?

I was gonna explain, but someone already did:

The only thing I'm getting tired of in relation to FF is the idiotic rebranding of every SE project as an FF gaiden and the obscene dev times on the games... I realize it's their first foray into somewhat uncharted tech territory with soaring budgets and a less than stellar selling platform, but I DO expect 3 mainline FFs a generation, you know? We only got 2 on the PS2 (X-2 is the same world and doesn't count, and FF11 was an MMO), I'll be pretty pissed if it ends up we only get 1 this gen...

We wait longer largely in part because of a bunch of spinoffs. If they did, like, one (FF7 remake perhaps), it wouldn't be a big deal. Instead they just clog everything up with one FF spinoff after another. I'm a huge FF7 fanboy but I didn't even care to finish Crisis Core.

Mistwalker has a loooong way to go.
To me this just sounds like saying "Now that they have blueberry poptarts I've lost all interest in strawberry poptarts!"

Again, it's not very hard to understand what I'm trying to say. Mistwalker is doing what Square has basically abandoned, the games are out NOW, and, in my opinion, they're good. And a worthy alternative to what seems like a series that's just getting milked to death, plus I didn't have to wait until the end of this gen to play them.

Mistwalker really doesn't have a long way to go. Both Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey were great RPG's; if Square-Enix stamped their logo on the boxart instead, I guarantee you there'd be less negativity over these games. They get way too much hate.

I'd say I'm looking forward to a FF7 remake, and wouldn't mind one, but they'd probably figure out a way to make the battle system suck, or something.

 

[Innotech]

I think if I was interested at this point, seeing those character designs for FF13 would have turned me off right quick.

 

[akachan ningen]

Nope. Because every FF is different from the last.

 

[TheKingsCrown]

Innovation + awesomeness died after VII as far as I can tell, although haven't played XII.

Now, the series will likely never die. In a business sense, I equate it to something like Madden at this point.

But something will defeat it, probably soon, and will probably be 10X as awesome.

 

[sprocket]

Liked X. Loved XII. Still play XI.

Is anyone else losing interest in Half Life?

Spoiler

No.

Ive never had any interest in half life . Just not my cup of tea. Final Fantasy how ever is another story.

Greatly anticipating FF13,

 

[Alex]

I thought FFX was pretty lousy game play wise, myself. It did some neat things, and had a few great bosses, but the extreme leap of polish and smoothness did more for the game than any system tweaks and the Sphere Grid... ugh.

X-2 may be dopey ass, warped fanservice, but it's hilarious, that despite that it's the single best playing Final Fantasy there is, pure evolution exactly where it was needed. It did some great, great shit. Great job system, single best ATB ever, huge list of bonuses for game design. Well, outside of the complete ratio/strategy guide happy bullshit in areas, though, but I've sadly started to grown accustomed to that.

After I got over myself, after a couple of years of proclaiming how much I hated the game, and gave it a better chance, I was able to enjoy the flowery stupidity as a nice break from generic world saving/trotting as well

The music is the biggest mixed bag of all time, though.

 

[RevenantKioku]

Again, it's not very hard to understand what I'm trying to say. Mistwalker is doing what Square has basically abandoned, the games are out NOW, and, in my opinion, they're good. And a worthy alternative to what seems like a series that's just getting milked to death, plus I didn't have to wait until the end of this gen to play them.

No, it's not really hard to understand since you're just being you, but we've been trying to fix that for a while now.
Milking is really a non-issue as long as quality games are coming out or even if they are bad that the main games suffer. I'd be hard pressed to say any of the recent spin-offs are terrible, hell they're mostly better than FF12 so that's a sticky pickle.
But the main thing is you don't have to play them, so I don't know what is getting you so uppity about their existence.

Mistwalker really doesn't have a long way to go. Both Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey were great RPG's; if Square-Enix stamped their logo on the boxart instead, I guarantee you there'd be less negativity over these games. They get way too much hate.

I'll see about LO when I get to it but Blue Dragon has enough issues to keep it from being "great".

I'd say I'm looking forward to a FF7 remake, and wouldn't mind one, but they'd probably figure out a way to make the battle system suck, or something.

See? What's the point in this? Get over yourself. Just shut up.

 

[Night_Trekker]

I lost interest after 7.

 

[angelfly]

No, I just don't like XII or the recently released CC. I've been ready and waiting for XIII since it was announced.

 

[Diablos]

I disagree with everything else(Well ok, FFXII does suck.). But this above, why do you assume that most FF fans hate Mistwalker games? If sales are any indication the majority of FF fans have not played the game.

Also you're insane if you think FFX/X-2 were weak gameplay wise.

I don't assume most FF fans "hate" Mistwalker games, but generally speaking, those who play RPG's didn't seem to dig Mistwalker's offerings so far which is too bad.

FFX wasn't exactly weak gameplay wise, but I wish everyone would have been able to buy the International version. Still, it could've been better. Plus the game's pacing sucks.

 

[Hitoshura]

What does that even matter?

It has the best gameplay in the series.

I don't understand the meaning "Was it a good Final Fantasy?"

To me the words Final Fantasy basically mean: one of the best jrpgs ever.

Final Fantasy X-2 was exactly that, so how was it a bad FF?

It matters in context. When you say the best gameplay....what do you mean exactly?

Final Fantasy is the sum of it's parts. FF X-2 had some amazing fast paced battles and an amazingly addictive dress sphere system. But the story? The story is why I play RPGs and the story in X-2 was meh at best. To be honest, I didn't even enjoy X when I first beat it, but the moment I saw that preview in OPM showing Yuna in her gunner outfit, I fucking came. I was so excited for it. When I played it I thought it was great as a continuation of X.

Its a matter of opinion.

 

[Skilletor]

I've loved every main FF entry (and a few spinoffs) since I began with 6. Can't wait for 13 and vs13.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I'm definitely still interested in the main series, but there's certainly franchise fatigue going on with the mass amount of spinoffs, sub-series, and remakes I can't keep up with.

 

[Y2Kev]

No.


I was gonna explain, but someone already did:




Again, it's not very hard to understand what I'm trying to say. Mistwalker is providing me with what Square has basically abandoned, the games are out NOW, and, in my opinion, they're good. And a worthy alternative to what seems like a series that's just getting milked to death, plus I didn't have to wait until the end of this gen to play them.

Mistwalker really doesn't have a long way to go. Both Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey were great RPG's; if Square-Enix stamped their logo on the boxart instead, I guarantee you there'd be less negativity over these games. They get way too much hate.

I'd say I'm looking forward to a FF7 remake, and wouldn't mind one, but they'd probably figure out a way to make the battle system suck, or something.

This is really nonsense.

FF is the idiotic rebranding of every SE project as an FF gaiden and the obscene dev times on the games...

Once again, there is no reason to let other games annoy you unless you are some kind of pedant or really quite shallow.

Assuming that development time is even a reason to be pissed off at an entire franchise (as opposed to, say, you know, being interested when a game is released), FFXII is the first Final Fantasy to have an excessively long development time, and FFXIII's isn't necessarily "obscenely long." Are you forgetting that Lost Odyssey was announced in 2005 and was released in America in 2008? Shouldn't Square at least get the same time period that Mistwalker got to develop (and when we're talking Mistwalker, we're talking "develop" pretty loosely here).

I realize it's their first foray into somewhat uncharted tech territory with soaring budgets and a less than stellar selling platform, but I DO expect 3 mainline FFs a generation, you know?

Why? I don't understand this at all. Then again, all the Dragon Quest fans deserted Dragon Quest when it shifted from 3 installments (or more!) on a platform to 1 per cycle. Oh wait no they didn't. Major rolleyes here.

We only got 2 on the PS2 (X-2 is the same world and doesn't count, and FF11 was an MMO), I'll be pretty pissed if it ends up we only get 1 this gen...

Um, this is extremely arbitrary and silly. So does FFXIII VS count as an FF game or no because it's a "spinoff"?

Get some perspective. You either like the games or you don't, and you'll wait for something you like and won't for something you don't. It doesn't have anything to do with other products on the market. I like chocolate shakes. I recently tried falafel and found that I enjoy that. I'm not any less interested in chocolate shakes.

 

[RevenantKioku]

I dunno, A.S.H. lowered my thoughts on Mistwalker a whole lot. Blue Dragon didn't really do much to raise them.

 

[Hitoshura]

I dunno, A.S.H. lowered my thoughts on Mistwalker a whole lot. Blue Dragon didn't really do much to raise them.

Did you finish A.S.H.?

 

[Jive Turkey]

Interest was lost long ago. Series died after VI imo.

Agreed. Back then I would have laughed at anybody claiming I'd be as apathetic to the series as I am now.

 

[Teknoman]

XIII's bringing it back.

Really? Overworlds are awesome.

Aside from cinematic dressings how was VII innovative in the least?

Seriously. It was in the style of FFVI for the most part, except they threw even more minigames at you and started the S-E obsession with crazy cutscenes.

 

[Diablos]

No, it's not really hard to understand since you're just being you, but we've been trying to fix that for a while now.
Milking is really a non-issue as long as quality games are coming out or even if they are bad that the main games suffer. I'd be hard pressed to say any of the recent spin-offs are terrible, hell they're mostly better than FF12 so that's a sticky pickle.
But the main thing is you don't have to play them, so I don't know what is getting you so uppity about their existence.

If there are three main FF's like there were for NES, SNES and PSX then yes, you can bump this thread at the end of the gen and say you "fixed" me

Otherwise, the S-E catalog is getting clogged with a bunch of CRAP, mostly spinoffs! I'm amazed they're even doing another console RPG (Last Remnant of course), hopefully it'll be good.

Also, yes, the spinoffs are better than FF12 but seriously, that's not saying much. Eternal Sonata was better than FF12.

I'm not getting uppity about their existence, rather how they tend to push everything else back in one way or another.

 

[tnw]

I lost interest a long time ago stating with VIII. I've trudged through IX. I was rolling my eyes when I decided to give X a try, but thought it was a great game.

But yeah, outside of X haven't been interested in the series really since VII. I still follow it like a former crackhead though.

 

[twinturbo2]

Wanna know what would be awesome?

Spoiler

A Final Fantasy VII/Grand Theft Auto IV crossover. Drop Aerith into Liberty City, drop Niko into Midgar and see what happens.

 

[Nooreo]

XIII's bringing it back.

I hope so, When i was a little kid FF7 and FF8 was a magical world. When i go back and play both of them its still the same good feeling. I just hope i can enter that world again with FFXIII.

Its the best way i can explain the situation

 

[Yoboman]

Square Enix's marketing strategy is horrible and makes it impossible to stay hyped for FFXIII. But they till haven't put a foot wrong with the main series as far as I'm concerned

 

[RevenantKioku]

Did you finish A.S.H.?

I've made it through a lot of bad games but I just could not muck my way through A.S.H.

If there are three main FF's like there were for NES, SNES and PSX then yes, you can bump this thread at the end of the gen and say you "fixed" me

wat.

Otherwise, the S-E catalog is getting clogged with a bunch of CRAP, mostly spinoffs! I'm amazed they're even doing another console RPG (Last Remnant of course), hopefully it'll be good.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Does it hurt your feelings if a company has some games out that you don't like? That said a lot of their recent efforts have been awesome. So I don't know what you're whining about really. You keep saying lots of CRAP but I'm not seeing it.

Also, yes, the spinoffs are better than FF12 but seriously, that's not saying much. Eternal Sonata was better than FF12.

Well FF12 is pretty bad so that doesn't say much, this is true. But hell, Square even managed to do a remake utter justice with how awesome FF4DS is. I feel like they're back on track if anything.

I'm not getting uppity about their existence, rather how they tend to push everything else back in one way or another.

I doubt we'd see FF13 any sooner if these games weren't coming out.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Chained areas that make it seem like an overworld a la FFX and FFXII are so wack. I guess I want seamless, Infinite Undiscovery seems to be doing this.

 

[Alex]

I really wish XI could be repackaged into a single player game for more people to experience. The game has such class, and does the series more justice than it probably deserves. Really brilliant lore, and narrative, design, presentation and tons of great little ideas that are wrecked for most by an overbearing EQ tapestry weaving them together.

I adore the game, and I was able to tough through the MMO nonsense when I was younger and had much more time, but it's very understandable to be annoyed at missing some of the great shit it did. I still stand by my opinion that CoP is probably the best storytelling in the entire franchise.

 

[radioheadrule83]

I lost interest in Final Fantasy years ago. FFVII, VIII and IX was when my interest peaked... not even a FFVII remake will bring me back to the table.

I bought X and X2 but never played them, I skipped the online game, and my brother picked up XII. XII looked excellent to me, so I did try and play the game, but I never got far outside of the opening moments. I just don't have the patience for RPGs anymore. And its a shame, I usually love the fantasy scenes/themes, the way Square-Enix execute their stories and cinematics. I'd probably love to play an action adventure or platformer or something with those kind of production values -- but RPGs, I just can't bring myself to commit anymore

 

[Teknoman]

Wanna know what would be awesome?

Spoiler

A Final Fantasy VII/Grand Theft Auto IV crossover. Drop Aerith into Liberty City, drop Niko into Midgar and see what happens.

Dunno about Aerith (she'd probably work for a charity or something) but Niko...he'd become part of Soldier soon enough. Then leave and become part of AVALANCHE...now that I think about it...he'd end up just like Cloud.

 

[Hitoshura]

I've made it through a lot of bad games but I just could not muck my way through A.S.H.

Damn, the only one I know who finished it is Duckroll. I couldn't get through it either, I don't blame you.

 

[twinturbo2]

Dunno about Aerith (she'd probably work for a charity or something) but Niko...he'd become part of Soldier soon enough. Then leave and become part of AVALANCHE...now that I think about it...he'd end up just like Cloud.

But does Cloud carjack fools and run over pedestrians? I don't think so. And charities don't exist in Liberty City...

Spoiler

unless you owe money to Vlad...

 

[Shin Johnpv]

I started play FF with the first one on the NES. I used to love the series, but the constant drifting away from Medieval themes, drifting away from giving each character abilities and skills that fit their character, the downward spiral of the character designs, and now making it play like a single player MMO has made me hate the series.

 

[Blablurn]

I hated XII but i'm pretty sure the PS3 games are going to kick ass!!!!!

 

[Teknoman]

Ah yes. Overworlds.

I doubt no jrpg will ever top Dragon Quest VIII's world. Maybe Dragon Quest X.

Yeah. No overworld is complete without a great overworld theme song that makes it feel like you're actually traveling some long distance/ have a purpose.

Also I CANT WAIT to see a PS3 iteration of Wild ARMs.

But does Cloud carjack fools and run over pedestrians? I don't think so. And charities don't exist in Liberty City...

Spoiler

unless you owe money to Vlad...

Motorcycle minigame :lol

Also I guess she'd become a radio host on LPR then.

 

[Teknoman]

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[Diablos]

This is really nonsense.

Once again, there is no reason to let other games annoy you unless you are some kind of pedant or really quite shallow.

No it's not dude.

Pedant? Quite shallow? :lol You are funny, kev. It's as simple as the pipeline getting clogged by spinoffs some of us don't particularly care about.

Assuming that development time is even a reason to be pissed off at an entire franchise (as opposed to, say, you know, being interested when a game is released), FFXII is the first Final Fantasy to have an excessively long development time, and FFXIII's isn't necessarily "obscenely long." Are you forgetting that Lost Odyssey was announced in 2005 and was released in America in 2008? Shouldn't Square at least get the same time period that Mistwalker got to develop (and when we're talking Mistwalker, we're talking "develop" pretty loosely here).

Considering they are a new company, no more than three years for a next-gen RPG is quite acceptable. As for how they "develop", yeah, it's different, I agree. But I didn't feel as though they cheaped out on anything at all, tbh.

Um, this is extremely arbitrary and silly. So does FFXIII VS count as an FF game or no because it's a "spinoff"?

No it isn't. We both made it pretty clear: we wouldn't look at it like a normal FF because it's a spinoff. Look, some spinoffs can be good. Final Fantasy Tactics, for example. It's just that S-E is so obsessed with them, now.

Get some perspective. You either like the games or you don't, and you'll wait for something you like and won't for something you don't. It doesn't have anything to do with other products on the market. I like chocolate shakes. I recently tried falafel and found that I enjoy that. I'm not any less interested in chocolate shakes.

Falafel won't cut back on how soon you can get your hands on a another chocolate shake, though

 

[Teknoman]

When is Crystal Bearers going to hit and blow everyone away?

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Final Fantasy has been my favourite series of games for about 10 years. Sadly enough, I find myself losing interest in the series.

I was really excited in the lead up to FFX. I thought all of the FF games on the PSone were awesome and I was pumped to see what Square could do with a new console. FFX turned out to be a solid game but I found myself feeling betrayed when I had to endure one of the worst PAL conversions I've ever seen. Big black borders, squashed characters and no speed conversion took away from the experience in a very big way. I also struggled to cope with some of the shitty voice acting.

Despite being interested in FFXI. Square never released the PS2 version in PAL territories and my PC wasnt good enough to run the game at the time. So I had to skip this one. It made the wait for FFXII nearly unbearable.

I bought Crystal Chronicles on day one. I found it mediocre at best. Its a great multiplayer game which was totally ruined by the insistence of having to use a GBA/ link. I think even Nintendo would admit....GCN/GBA connectivity sucked balls for the most part. However the game did have some great music and brilliant water effects. Thats about the only nice things I can say about it.

Finally when FFXII came around I was delighted to see a perfect PAL conversion. I really liked the new battle system, music and setting but I feel like FFXII is lacking something. The storyline is only really good in the first and last few hours and the main characters were pretty dull. The voice acting was excellent though. FFXII is a mixed bag in many ways.

FFXIII looks interesting but Id have to buy a PS3 and to be honest, the 360 looks like better value for money. I think the days of me getting hyped over an FF game are long gone.

 

[Y2Kev]

No it's not dude.

Pedant? Quite shallow? :lol You are funny, kev. It's as simple as the pipeline getting clogged by spinoffs some of us don't particularly care about.

Apparently you do care about them. Because they make you lose interest in something you once liked a lot....whereas I don't care about them at all....and never talk about them.

Considering they are a new company, no more than three years for a next-gen RPG is quite acceptable. As for how they "develop", yeah, it's different, I agree. But I didn't feel as though they cheaped out on anything at all, tbh.

Mistwalker is not developing these games, they are doing planning and scenario design (which I think you'd find is not the bulk of LO's 3+ year dev cycle). Feel Plus is new in name only, of course, having quite the pedigree themselves. They faced the same challenges Square Enix is facing now, except they don't have a year head start and 20 million to set on fire.

No it isn't. We both made it pretty clear: we wouldn't look at it like a normal FF because it's a spinoff. Look, some spinoffs can be good. Final Fantasy Tactics, for example. It's just that S-E is so obsessed with them, now.

I don't like spinoffs as much as the next guy, but I don't care about them and don't play them unless they are good. And if they aren't, I don't even look twice.

The point is you're making a lot of arbitrary distinctions about what should and should not qualify as a Final Fantasy game, what is and is not an acceptable development schedule, and then you're throwing in a lot of personal subjectivity to top it off-- which, of course, you are entitled to.

 

[Pterion]

No. In fact, the interest is growing. Sucks to be you.

LOL at BlueDragon being a great RPG. I own Lost Odissey, and I can understand the good comments about it, but BD?

 

[inner-G]

You can tell the real FF fans by those who know X-2 is just better than 12.

.

 

[witness]

Did the final fantasy games on PS2 sell better with each iteration or did sales drop from X to XII?

 

[Flakster99]

I lost interest in 1998, although I might get XIII if it turns out to be great.

Yup. It is not like I don't try out each new installment, they simply fail to hold my interest.
You can thank BioWare, Black Isle Studios and Verant Interactive for much of my (back then) newly found RPG appreciation.

 

[cartman414]

VI is just VII with the same, but further amplified pitfalls and superior art direction. The fans of it are deluded to high hell though, so I enjoy it's popularity's so I can read inane, rose tinted rambling about how VII made the series "emo", despite VI having the most melodramatic, crybaby, self-loathing cast ever. The game has a fucking suicide scene.

What is this, Bizarro World? Dude, 7 and 8 were the ones with emos in them. Final Fantasy 6's cast had soul and humor. And the suicide scene was due to the death of her uncle following the apparent end of the world. That is so not emo.

Or how Materia warped the glorious walking Ultima tank system.

The Ultima thing from FF6 was an endgame flaw. The Materia thing applied throughout most of FF7.

No one ever seems to talk about the meat of the game, or the balance or scenario design, probably because VI had like ... two good dungeons and the world of ruin was so painful as an example of how to utterly fuck non-linearity that everyone blocked it out.

I LIKED the non-linearity of the World of Ruin. Gave a nice, episodic feel to the character's back-stories as you reunited with each of them.

 

[Ranger X]

They lost me with FF10.

I didn't like FF8, FF9 was a relief and then starting on PS2, i was done with the series. Pretty much done with Squaresoft as a whole.

I loved Level5 work up until Rogue Galaxy. Now today i lost interest in pretty much anything JRPG. My saviors are now SRPGs!

 

[Dragona Akehi]

oh god, someone saying that ffvi wasn't emo.

oh god

oh

god

 

[RevenantKioku]

What is this, Bizarro World? Dude, 7 and 8 were the ones with emos in them. Final Fantasy 6's cast had soul and humor. And the suicide scene was due to the death of her uncle following the apparent end of the world. That is so not emo.

6's gameplay is a lot like 7's. This can't be argued. And neither 7 or 8 are really "emo" at all.