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Is Battlefield impenetrable for new players, aka what am I missing? (PC)

Might also be worth mentioning that matchmaking and skill levels aren't usually the most beginner-friendly during Betas; as you are more likely to encounter more seasoned and active players compared to the retail release, as well as the matchmaking will need time and more players to function well in serving different skill levels.

I do agree that as I'm getting more and more casualized in my gaming habits, the BF1 beta did feel a bit tougher and harder to pick up than almost any of the other games I've been playing recently.
 
The map is garbage, it has no flow. The only time I have fun is when I run around the village area and play it like Call of Duty.
Welp.... BF1 is not for you. played yesterday with a squad of friends, maybe the best MP game in years, btw the map design is amazing. In this game you have to think, not run and shoot like a crazy. This game is all about team work... like real wars.
 
Welp.... BF1 is not for you. played yesterday with a squad of friends, maybe the best MP game in years, btw the map design is amazing. In this game you have to think, not run and shoot like a crazy. This game is all about team work... like real wars.

Battlefield is about as similar to a real war as Infinite Warfare is.
 
  • Spawn on your squad if you can, stick to them if you can.
  • Don't run in areas that are open but try to go from cover to cover if you do.
  • The little scope glint thing you might see is a sniper, when you see that try to hide behind cover.
  • The map is bad for Rush, it's a sniper and tank fest.
  • On Conquest, I usually only ever stick to the middle points unless either I can get a spawn on the outer points or I can get a vehicle to it.

Patience, it's not that hard to learn I feel, just a different experience. If you're on PC I don't mind grouping up.

This. If you get to the deploy screen and there's a tank available, try getting in the heavy tank and going from G to D to B or vice versa. Teammates will spawn in the tank with you and rack up some points. Once you have G and D (or B and D) then you can move in towards C. The more flags your team has secured, the less the spawn points the enemy team has. If you keep getting sniped then just stay around C.
 
Welp.... BF1 is not for you. played yesterday with a squad of friends, maybe the best MP game in years, btw the map design is amazing. In this game you have to think, not run and shoot like a crazy. This game is all about team work... like real wars.

Smh dude, no.
 
Coming off of Titanfall 2 I ma having exactly 0 fun with Battlefield 1. Feels like everyone is severely underpowered and hindered by large reticent of spray compared to Titanfall where everyone played like super heroes and had red dot accuracy.
 
Coming off of Titanfall 2 I ma having exactly 0 fun with Battlefield 1. Feels like everyone is severely underpowered and hindered by large reticent of spray compared to Titanfall where everyone played like super heroes and had red dot accuracy.

I think it's by design. Everything is slower and more methodical. You're not meant to take on a tank alone and use laser accurate weapons. Prediction and leading are necessary to shooting here as well as supressing with concentrated fire.
 
Alternatively, go from BC2 to BFH then this, everything else isn't worth playing.

BFH? As in Battlefield: Hardline?

Don't listen to this guy.

As for OP: being new on PC is rough, but you'll get it eventually. BF1 is really no more hectic than your average COD match... although that's a really depressing thought now that I think about it.
 
Coming off of Titanfall 2 I ma having exactly 0 fun with Battlefield 1. Feels like everyone is severely underpowered and hindered by large reticent of spray compared to Titanfall where everyone played like super heroes and had red dot accuracy.
Please stop comparing BF1 to CoD or TF.... If you are playing BF1 like CoD or TF you are going to s... in the game.
 
How I feel even with friends. It just lacks the intimacy of shooters that are strictly 5v5 or 4v4 arena FPS

Uh, hang out at point C and you'll have so much intimacy you'll need condoms.

For the original poster my advice is to always keep moving unless you know you're in hard cover and/or are undetected. General rule of thumb is to assume half the enemy team is snipers and act accordingly.
 
My understanding was that the earlier Battlefields were about actually playing as a team and not "run n' gunning" like COD's. I don't know exactly since I don't play too many of these games, but if sounds like you have to strategize more.

You can run and gun depending on your class. You can def do that with Assault and support class. You may want to go with a group as a medic. And you want to slow down and pick a spot as a sniper.
 
Spawn on your squad mates and stick to them. This will give you direction and hopefully take you to me interesting places.

Try to follow the objectives highlighted in green, these are what your squad are focusing on.

I think the map is fine but I think it's a poor choice for the beta. Very unusual style of play.

How I feel even with friends. It just lacks the intimacy of shooters that are strictly 5v5 or 4v4 arena FPS

You must love R6 Siege.

My understanding was that the earlier Battlefields were about actually playing as a team and not "run n' gunning" like COD's. I don't know exactly since I don't play too many of these games, but if sounds like you have to strategize more.

Matches are generally won by the people that strategise and focus on objectives, even in this beta, but yeah it's possible to run and gun.
 
I notice a pattern every time competitive shooters come out, who is it that actually enjoys just sniping away constantly?...
 
Thought I'd take a moment to hype up smoke grenades, because I feel they are under utilized at the moment. Smoke grenades in this game are super effective in creating a custom cover wall. Making the trek from C to B is harrowing because of the huge open field flanked by large rocks filled with every variety of sniper. Anything, including vehicles, that can close that gap will enable you in your delightful revenge against those glint-scoped bastards. It was also a moment of clarity for me when I stopped trying to kill tanks alone, but instead was able to escape to my squad in a puff of smoke.

Cant kill what you can't see.
 
I'm new to the series as well, the only other Battlefield experience I have was the last cops and robbers game's beta.

Here are my tips for us newbies and others have mentioned them as well.

Join a squad, one with as many people in it as is available. This gives you more spawn options. Hopefully you've figured out you can spawn in different locations, you can also spawn on your squad mates. If at all possible don't spawn as far away from the C flag as you can. Every once in awhile if you're whole team is doing awful you'll be stuck spawning at one of the outskirt flags and you'll have to trek it in, but try to spawn in a vehicle or plane then. Or a horse. Use the sword while on the horse, just switch your weapon.

Try to spawn near the C or D flag. You will be less likely to be sniped by there as you can get into the town and into cover and there is usually a lot of action there.

Try the medic class. The starting gun is nice and the first auto gun you unlock is really good to switch to.

Play as much around the C flag as you can, run around the buildings and stay in cover. Try to find enemies that are looking out windows or running around. You can usually get a few kills this way. You'll probably get killed the same way though, heh.
 
I remember my first time playing a BF game (BC2). All the praise made me interested and when i started playing it i kept dying, dying amd dying and all i did in the first hours of the game was just running, trying to find people and get shot. Then it suddenly clicked and now i have more than 100+ hours in every BF game since BC2 except Hardline. Just play the objective and stick to your squad and team mates. I would have said medic is the best class for beginners but they screwed the revive mechanic with BF1 so i suggest go with support and keep helping your team with ammo packs. Stay away from piloting for a while. Rush is also great for learning the game.
 
Thanks for all the helpful advice guys! I'm excited to put a couple of hours in tonight when I get off work. Gonna start off playing Medic and just following my squad around without worrying about kills or deaths so I can learn the map better.
 
Some tips:

1) Knowing where to spawn is 50% of Battlefield. Learn to read your map and don't spawn where there is a clear fire fight going on. Spawn inside a vehicle or spawn on a squad mate that is APPROACHING a control point, not on it. At first, you might want to spawn inside a vehicle for protection until you learn the map.

2) Play assault with an automatic machine gun at first, until you get better. It's the fastest time to kill class when you're not familiar with longer range weapons.

3) When approaching a control point, take the wide route and stay on the outskirts. Don't beeline it for the flag initially, as you are more likely to be seen and shot there.

4) Understand what team you are on and what the other team looks like so you can recognize them. There is no friendly fire, so at first you can just shoot anyone that you come upon until you get your bearings. In BF1, it's much harder to see your enemy than in previous Battlefield games. We think this is intentional.

5) Use crouch and prone. You make a much harder target to kill, especially prone. Don't stay prone too long though, look for an opportunity to run to cover.

6) Use the cover the game gives you. At first avoid wide-open spaces where you can get sniped and stick to the buildings, like at C. Recover in a inside corner of a building pointing your gun at the entry.

7) If you are caught in a wide-open space, sprint and zig-zag. Only the best snipers can hit a moving zig-zagging target, and chances are you will survive.

8) And perhaps the most important one, SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. Know what control points you hold and which ones the enemy holds. For example, if your team holds C, D, and B on this map, and the enemy holds F, that is the closest spawn point for them to attack you, and chances are they will be coming at you from that direction. So position yourself accordingly and don't give your back to F for very long, turn around often to see who's behind you if you need to. Because of planes and vehicles, you might have someone come at you from a different direction, but chances are, they will be coming from the control point held by the enemy.
 
Like many of you, I saw all of the Battlefield 1 trailers and thought it looked amazing. Right up my alley. I love shooters, and I love history, I was so glad they were going back to WWI and thought now would be a perfect time to jump in to Battlefield. I've only been PC gaming for about 6 months but I've played tons of games, including dozens of hours of Overwatch, played through Doom, no problems with controls or anything like that. I even heard Battlefield 1 was a lot like Battlefront, which made me even more interested as I have played a ton of hours of Battlefront on PS4 and had a blast.

Booted up the beta, everything seemed fine, until the gameplay started. My experience has mostly consisted of spawning, walking around for about 10 seconds, and then getting killed by somebody laying prone with a sniper rifle somewhere. I usually get killed before I even see ANY enemies at all, no matter which point I deploy on. On the rare occasion that I last more than a minute or two, I see planes and tanks but I've never seen one that I can jump into.

Is this game just impenetrable for new players? Am I just at a severe disadvantage playing against people who have been playing competitive shooters on PC for years? Should I just play on PS4? Any tips would be greatly appreciated, I could play on PS4 I guess, but I really prefer m/kb for shooters now that I've seen the light.
I might as well had written that post myself. You went through exactly the same as me. Except I didn't care enough to ask for tips. I played one game and ran back to Overwatch's comfy arms.

Battlefield is not for me.
 
BF1 so far has been impenetrable for me and I've played BC2, BF3 and BF4 multiplayer on PC before. That said, I haven't given it very much time, and I tend to like engineer classes in other Battlefields, which seems to work differently here?
 
Also consider that this is a beta and there is no tutorial or single player or anything for you to mess around in and learn the guns or how the mechanics work.

Do you know how to spot enemies and highlight them for other players?

How to use your support like health/ammopacks?

There are things you are not going to learn in the beta right away especially playing on one map that caters to snipers.
 
I remember my first time playing a BF game (BC2). All the praise made me interested and when i started playing it i kept dying, dying amd dying and all i did in the first hours of the game was just running, trying to find people and get shot. Then it suddenly clicked and now i have more than 100+ hours in every BF game since BC2 except Hardline. Just play the objective and stick to your squad and team mates. I would have said medic is the best class for beginners but they screwed the revive mechanic with BF1 so i suggest go with support and keep helping your team with ammo packs. Stay away from piloting for a while. Rush is also great for learning the game.

What's different about the revive mechanic? I'm able to revive people just fine as a beginner to the series.
 
I'm fairly good at shooters and have played a lot of Battlefield, but I really struggled with the beta as well.

The map is pretty awful. There is a lot of spawning into long distance rifle fire, and it results in a really poor experience.
 
Biggest difference is that you can opt out of getting revived by going back to the respawn menu faster but it will not decrease respawn time overall. Apart from that you won't see the revive symbol over dead teammates through walls. You can still revive them even if they don't request a revive and locate them with the minimap. I don't really see a problem with the changes to the medic.
 
Battlefield is a very different game from other shooters, especially stuff like EA's Battlefront. If you try to play it the same way, you will get shot really easily from people you didn't even think were there.

The game does need a better way to teach new players, but for now, the best way to learn the game is patience and time. You need to hide, you need to use vehicles, you need to stay with your squad; or you will not be able to stay alive very long (which is what makes it really fun if you can do it).

With so many great games without a learning curve, why bother? It seems easier to just play a game you can jump in and enjoy right away.
 
With so many great games without a learning curve, why bother? It seems easier to just play a game you can jump in and enjoy right away.

Because there's no other game like Battlefield and it's "Battlefield moments" where you take a plane out, the plane BARELY hits you in retaliation without a pilot, lands safely without blowing up due to said taking pilot out. You get in, get into the air and take another pilot out in a matter of minutes.

No other shooter (including Halo on console) has the sandbox design that BF has.
 
Because there's no other game like Battlefield and it's "Battlefield moments" where you take a plane out, the plane BARELY hits you in retaliation without a pilot, lands safely without blowing up due to said taking pilot out. You get in, get into the air and take another pilot out in a matter of minutes.

No other shooter (including Halo on console) has the sandbox design that BF has.

Right but do you objectively get more enjoyment out of those moments than the best parts of Oveewatch, Titan fall or other video games? I don't see a huge difference in overall happiness between different well made games. Maybe other people do?
 
Grew up with CoD 4; never really got into the Battlefield games (last I bought was BF3), and prefer the quick and intense actions of CoD or the strategic maneuvering of R6 siege.

That being said, I like the theme of BF1 and am willing to give it a chance despite its current quirks. The beta is alright, but DICE really ought to implement a cap on Recon players in a match.
 
With so many great games without a learning curve, why bother? It seems easier to just play a game you can jump in and enjoy right away.

Because the reward for that patience is enjoying a game that is deeper and with more exciting gameplay and possibilities. For example, you can call an airstrike on Call of Duty, and an animation of a plane will fly overhead and drop bombs on players. But in Battlefield, that plane is an actual player, that has been fighting his own enemies outside of what you were doing at the time on the ground.

You know the trailers for Battlefield, right? That's how the game actually looks when you know how to survive the chaos.
 
Right but do you objectively get more enjoyment out of those moments than the best parts of Oveewatch, Titan fall or other video games? I don't see a huge difference in overall happiness between different well made games. Maybe other people do?

For me, yes. I don't like Overwatch. I find it to be shallow and it's MOBA elements make me gag because I hate MOBA/RTS's and don't need "cool down" skills in my shooters.

Titanflop--er--"Titanfall" was fun for like 2 rounds and then you pretty much seen everything it offered. Maybe the sequel will change that, but I kinda doubt it.

There's nothing like Battlefield on the market.
 
I remember my first time playing a BF game (BC2). All the praise made me interested and when i started playing it i kept dying, dying amd dying and all i did in the first hours of the game was just running, trying to find people and get shot. Then it suddenly clicked and now i have more than 100+ hours in every BF game since BC2 except Hardline. Just play the objective and stick to your squad and team mates. I would have said medic is the best class for beginners but they screwed the revive mechanic with BF1 so i suggest go with support and keep helping your team with ammo packs. Stay away from piloting for a while. Rush is also great for learning the game.


You just reminded me of my first time too

I put the game away because I constantly sucked,but then i came back and loved it
 
Winning at battlefield has nothing to do with your K/D ratio. You can have 30 deaths and 2 kills and be the number one player on your team.

Battlefield is about knowing your role and playing it well. Attack the objectives and support you're squad.

You cannot play battlefield like COD or you will have a miserable time. That is why there is so much hate around free bf betas. COD peeps always try it and hate it because their play style doesn't work with it.

Go slow, move cover to cover, clear houses, take objectives, and be a cog un the machine. That is battlefield.
 
Welcome to Battlefield, it's not an accessable or 'fun' franchise like most other MP shooters. If it wasn't snipers it'll be guys laying prone around corners with assault rifles.
 
I've had pretty much the exact same experience as op. Also been pc gaming for only a couple months and never played a battlefield game until this beta. Even in a squad I get sniped moments after spawning by someone laying prone half way across the map. I like the graphics and overall gameplay of the game but I think I'll play just the single player campaign when this eventually comes to the origin vault.

Also consider that this is a beta and there is no tutorial or single player or anything for you to mess around in and learn the guns or how the mechanics work.

Do you know how to spot enemies and highlight them for other players?

How to use your support like health/ammopacks?

There are things you are not going to learn in the beta right away especially playing on one map that caters to snipers.
Yep, no clue how to do any of that.
 
I've had pretty much the exact same experience as op. Also been pc gaming for only a couple months and never played a battlefield game until this beta. Even in a squad I get sniped moments after spawning by someone laying prone half way across the map. I like the graphics and overall gameplay of the game but I think I'll play just the single player campaign when this eventually comes to the origin vault.

I feel your pain bro, I just spent 2hrs getting sniped left and right before calling quits. To be honest I have never been good at online multiplayer fps (battlefront was the exception), I wil just go back to playing jrpgs.
 
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