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Is Bloodborne too easy for Souls vets?
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piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
This is what happens to ALL discussions if Souls series game's difficulties. I've never seen one not devolve into "I'm Not Bragging But..." posts.
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
Biggest actual difference imo. They took the shield but the sidestep has RIDIC I-frames and you can literally just mash it through almost any attack in the game as long as you can time it. Playing through DaS1 right now and man, missing that sidestep.
When it comes down to it though, the Souls games are always about experience and knowing "how to" play. Your first is always your hardest (I'd expect, at least). I've never played DaS1 before but I've one shot more bosses already than I did all of BB. Because I know how to play a From game.
King Gilga
Member
I never used shields in souls so yeah, from what I've played (which in all discretion is only like 4 hours of midgame at a friends house) mechanics wise it's a lot easier, the sidestep is insanely fast and uses so much less. Sure enemies seem more proactive but.
I blame from more than anything, why add these things (summons, shields) that completely trivialize that game after you spend months marketing them as hard (which is kind of misleading in itself since the games aren't hard so much as they're punishing.).
I blame from more than anything, why add these things (summons, shields) that completely trivialize that game after you spend months marketing them as hard (which is kind of misleading in itself since the games aren't hard so much as they're punishing.).
Because From is smart and realizes cowtowing to hardcores while putting all sorts of player help on the sly is a good way to get a big audience to play your game?
Ugh, I still have nightmares about my first time with that asshole.
On topic, I do feel the main Bloodborne game to be far easier than other souls games, but the level 4/5 cursed/defiled chalice dungeons can get down right mean.
MasterMongoose
Member
I'm not saying it's so easy, but I had far less time in BB than I did in Dark Souls (1). Granted, DS was my first Souls game but still, if you do what they other guy said and have a Vit/Str build with Ludwig, the game is definitely not the balls-to-the-wall hard that all the major publications seem to ranting on about.
In Dark Souls 1 once I added lighting to my Katana the next several bosses went down easy, all the way up to Sm. & Or. I think the crux of these games is understanding, and once you do it's all downhill. I think Bloodborne is just easier to understand because the level design isn't trying to kill you nearly as often (lol Sen's Fortress) and the hunters aren't nearly as hard as the mini-boss things that DaS had.
All of them are still fantastic games but their reputation for difficulty is and has always been misleading.
A GAF certainty anytime anything regarding challenge in a game comes up. "Oh, you thought that was hard? That's weird. I did it on my first try."
I hate when people say this. No one has ever said these games are so hard that they cannot be beaten. All games can easily be beaten. However, I don't know about you, but I died far more in BB and the rest of the Souls games than I do in other games, e.g., AssCreed games.
Or monster hunter. Really makes me not want to talk about it at all.
Soultaker0220
Member
I have played all the previous games 100+ hours and yes I felt bloodborne was easier then the previous one. I killed almost every boss at the first try beside two of them, one being gerhman and the spider boss. Don't get me wrong, the game is still hard but I felt it was easier then previous games. I should mention there is one chalice dungeon that I felt was harder than everything else in the game, I'm talking about the cursed chalice dungeon.
Maybe I felt it was easier because of the many hours I have spent on previous games.
Maybe I felt it was easier because of the many hours I have spent on previous games.
Digital-Hero
Member
Always a little apprehensive about using things in this game. I'll have to try that tonight. Thanks for the tip.
GodParticle
Member
I've found the game immensely harder just for the lack of a shield. Too many times I get hit because I'm stuck relying on a dodge and can't see what's hitting me or the animation looks like it should miss and I get hit anyway
I really do think BB is a lot easier than the previous From games. And I think the healing system is to blame.
They really should've sticked to the Estus Flask system. The current system is flawed in two ways. Enemies drop A LOT of healing items. I've never run out of healing items running around and most of the time I can't pick up more healing items since I'm full. This removes a lot of the tension the previous From games had. Whenever I enter a new area in BB I just run straight through, only dying when I make a stupid mistake which isn't that big of a deal since I can just run back there with my seemingly unlimited supply of healing items. I remember the tension the world had in Dark Souls, having to make the difficult choice to either go forward or turn back after getting through a difficult part with too many souls and too few flasks left.
The second issue is that you can run out of healing items, Which is just plain stupid. Makes boss fights a lot less fun since after just a couple of tries you have to farm healing items. Lame.
They really should've sticked to the Estus Flask system. The current system is flawed in two ways. Enemies drop A LOT of healing items. I've never run out of healing items running around and most of the time I can't pick up more healing items since I'm full. This removes a lot of the tension the previous From games had. Whenever I enter a new area in BB I just run straight through, only dying when I make a stupid mistake which isn't that big of a deal since I can just run back there with my seemingly unlimited supply of healing items. I remember the tension the world had in Dark Souls, having to make the difficult choice to either go forward or turn back after getting through a difficult part with too many souls and too few flasks left.
The second issue is that you can run out of healing items, Which is just plain stupid. Makes boss fights a lot less fun since after just a couple of tries you have to farm healing items. Lame.
Uh, why are you quoting me? I said that co-oping all the bosses then saying it's easy is pathetic, not finishing it quickly. sooooooooo....
I beat it around 32 hours doing all the optional content and never summoning help(opposite actually, I like to help other people with bosses).
¯\_(ツ_/¯
Bit of a difference between 32 hours and 22 hours, a whole 10 hours in fact.
MasterMongoose
Member
Is 22 hours somehow inherently bad? I'm not sure if you're referring to my post or some gaming site. I still feel I got my money's worth, I plan to do NG+ down the line, and it was an awesome experience. But I don't play these games to hold as a trophy above my head, so I used co-op whenever my friend and I wanted to play. I still think the game as a whole is easier than its predecessors because the actual level designs are far less difficult- I only summoned help for the bosses by and large with the exception of Charnel Lane and the Nightmare Frontier, which I mostly sped through.
Dark Souls had numerous areas that kicked my ass in terms of random deaths like Sen's Fortress, the Forest (I can't remember the name), Blighttown, and Anor Londo of the top of my head. I can only think of 3 truly "hard" levels in all of Bloodborne, and one of them (Forbidden Woods) is solely due to pathfinding.
I will concede that my playtime is attributed to using a walkthrough to ensure I did fight every boss- and I used a walkthrough to find the key to the Upper Cathedral Ward very late in the game, so I was overlevelled.
So you used co-op for most of the bosses and used a walkthrough the entire game?
No wonder you found it so easy.
Plebian scrubs using co-op?! Too bad they didn't play the game the real way!
If you're going to say the game is too easy after co-oping all the bosses, then yeh, you're in no position to call the game easy. I have no issues with using co-op, I've used it myself for two bosses, but don't say the game is a breeze if you've gona co-op the bosses.
MasterMongoose
Member
So you used co-op for most of the bosses and used a walkthrough the entire game?
No wonder you found it so easy.
Jeez dude, you seem generally offended at the way I played the game (or your notion of how I played it). I'm not saying it's "so easy" I'm saying it's much easier than Dark Souls was. I literally died in solo play to non-bosses (including NPC hunters) probably less than 15 times total. In the entire game, without using a walkthrough for any of the actual levels. I died many, many, many more times to all manner of things in Dark Souls. The bosses were sometimes the easy part, and that happens in BB too.
I used a walkthrough to FIND the bosses. Some of the shit you have to do to find the optional bosses is entirely out of left field. I never would have guessed you needed to consume 3 Umbilical Cords to fight the Moon Presence. There is literally nothing in the game to my knowledge that steers you in that direction.
And if you read my other post, I beat Germann, Rom, Shadow of Yharnam, Paarl and most of Martyr Logarius solo. All of those were on the first or second try, too. I'm sure I'm forgetting one more. In any list of "hardest" bosses in the game, they tend to include Martyr and Germann (along with Ebrietas). I can play the game solo, but I wanted to see the ending because I never finished Dark Souls after 40 hours.
But yeah, I'm some scrub that didn't play the holy souls game experience the way you did. Whatever.
EDIT: And not to mention, you bet your ass that I summoned in Dark Souls 1 whenever I could. And I did not finish the game in 40 hours. Still had to fill the Lordvessel (three more bosses) plus whatever comes after.
thelastcrusader
Banned
Again my point here wasn't to brag. If people want to brag then whatever. My point was simply, after doing this for a hundred+ hours in previous games, now it's become almost second nature for me so BB is easy for me. Just like anything else, if you hundreds of hours of practice then you become good at something.
So you used co-op for most of the bosses and used a walkthrough the entire game?
No wonder you found it so easy.
There's nothing wrong with summons. This game isn't a badge of honor for people. If you're like me you just enjoy the challenge. For some people if they want to use guides and summons, whatever, it doesn't make the game a cakewalk by any means I'd think, but whatever that's their play style. I personally use no guides on any game unless I'm going for the platinum on my first run so to get a specific trophy on my 1st run and might use a trophy guide to make sure I don't miss anything. As long as the player enjoys their game and gets their money's worth, that's all that matters. It's not like they're cheating to win a competition or anything. That said, people shouldn't be bragging. I wonder how Dark Souls 2+ will be for me since this will be my fifth time through a Souls game?
It's before you enter that little church he's in. Bottom right of some staircase you go into as you enter the area (I think it's a graveyard) before his boss area.
Kalamari Rimbo
Banned
My reflexes, too, are trained to ludicrous levels. As someone who has killed every NPC in demon through dark souls 2 I am breezing through this game with ease. NPC's don't even fight back anymore!
Likely because they are in awe of my ungodly fast reflexes, which in all honesty are really that fast, and don't fight back out of respect.
Not bragging though.
Likely because they are in awe of my ungodly fast reflexes, which in all honesty are really that fast, and don't fight back out of respect.
Not bragging though.
Jeez guys where did I specifically say using co-op made you a scrub? Quote would be nice.
I'm pointing out the blatant hypocrisy in using co-op and a walkthrough most of the game and finding it easy, no shit you found it easy.
If you guys bothered to read my posts, I clearly just said I've used co-op and have no issue with it, but I'd never turn around and say a boss was easy after beating it on co-op.
I'm pointing out the blatant hypocrisy in using co-op and a walkthrough most of the game and finding it easy, no shit you found it easy.
If you guys bothered to read my posts, I clearly just said I've used co-op and have no issue with it, but I'd never turn around and say a boss was easy after beating it on co-op.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
I've played the game casually and don't find it as challenging--probably due to knowing how the games work. If I went in blind (without playing the predecessors) I'd most likely find it very difficult. Not so much now.
Your blatant dislike for using co-op and a walk through to find a key implies using those lessens the challenge thus you couldn't do it by yourself.
Your blatant dislike for using co-op and a walk through to find a key implies using those lessens the challenge thus you couldn't do it by yourself.
Ardenyal
Member
I dont understand how BB is overall easier when the lower end of difficulty in souls games equals to sitting behind a big shield with massive stamina bar to tank all hits.
If you play souls games with 2H weapon and never block then you might have a point of comparison in which the souls games are much harder.
MasterMongoose
Member
I get what you're saying, but I'm trying to make the point that the time spent between bosses is much easier. The actual levels. I did those solo, with some exceptions, and died exponentially less than I did in Dark Souls. Part of that is my experience, but part of it I think it how much more forgiving most levels are. There's very few sudden deaths, and I think I only ever fell and died while trying to get to the Lower Cathedral Ward, and that was totally on me.
And the bosses that I did beat solo comprise the harder bosses in the game anyways. I think also that level has a much bigger influence in this game than it did in Dark Souls, for me at least anyways. I beat a PVP'er in Dark Souls (he fell off, lol) and levelled up from 60->110 from some multi million soul gain, and didn't feel that different. But my character in Bloodborne now feels like an absolute monster, and he feels much stronger than 30 levels ago. Or 50. Or even 10. I felt overlevelled at 90 at the end, even though I never specifically tried to grind for experience.
I promise I'm not bragging. I don't think anything I do in video games justifies bragging. Just sharing how Bloodborne went for me personally.
Deified Data
Banned
I've found areas in BB generally easier than their Souls counterparts and the bosses a bit harder.
thelastcrusader
Banned
Funny I found the exact opposite. Turtling stopped working for me in a lot of bosses. Talking to a guy that got Havel's armor and used it in DS1...but by end of the game I usually played wearing nothing and 2handing because most of the bosses would eat my stamina or crush me with 1 well placed hit. The only way I could beat a lot of bosses was by removing the big shield!
Hmm, great reading skills man.
But yeh, you're right, using a walkthrough and co-op does lessen the challenge.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
You used a Jennifer Lawrence meme to mock the things you bolded. You obviously find these things to be considered scrub tier whether or not you want to admit it.
No, again reading comprehension. I used the meme to mock someone saying they've used a walkthrough and co-op then claiming the game was easy.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Thank you. You've now admitted to what you said you weren't doing.
Deified Data
Banned
It's abundantly clear to anyone without a personal stake in the argument what he means.
You can't use strategies like co-op or guides designed to make the game easier and then comment that the game was too easy without forming some sort of disconnect. You're placing 100% of the onus on the game for being easy and none on yourself for choosing to make it easier.
He never said there was anything wrong with using guides or co-op in and of themselves. Hell, I used wikis to find a couple items I never would have found on my own, but I wouldn't then turn around and say "this game has no secrets or mystery - I was able to find everything with a wiki".
What? This is getting silly now man, I'll lay it out for you because it's clearly too complicated for you.
Using co-op is fine, I've used co-op myself. Am I calling myself a scrub? Lol
Using co-op and a walkthrough, then claiming the game is easy, that warrants the ok.gif.
If I have to explain any further then I've lost all hope.
I'm saying I solo'd everything and it was easy as fuck. I only died more than 1 time on 2-3 bosses, no guides, no nothing.
Him cooping makes it easier sure, but its still an easy game w/o it.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
My issue is the "scrub" comment and the (now unfolding) hypocrisy with it. He understands using guides and co-op lessens the challenge of the game. The way in which he expresses his position implies the "scrub tier" mentality. Mockery, memes, "reading comprehension" comments, etc. don't lend to someone who wants to tackle the issue of challenge seriously. Why would someone bold comments and respond with memes? It's not someone who's engaging the person, but dismissing it offhandedly as something below you which is what memes used in discussions are generally used for. It's the same as if someone came up to me and said they found X difficult and I was like, "Yeah, OK buddy" mockingly (which the .gif represents). We all know how that person feels because how they're presenting their comment.
Deified Data
Banned
I just see a lot of people getting defensive over nothing.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
That's some grade A projection right there. No one used the word scrub until you showed up.
Deified Data
Banned
I honestly don't think you two have any real disagreements at this point except who said what.
A) Scrub comments are rude and unconstructive
B) If you co-op or use guides to beat BB, you have no right to say the game's too easy
I think you'd both agree on both points.
A) Scrub comments are rude and unconstructive
B) If you co-op or use guides to beat BB, you have no right to say the game's too easy
I think you'd both agree on both points.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Yeh really don't know why I'm keeping this up, I'm trying to play BB right now ¬_¬
Come on man really? You've gotta be trolling me now or something...
Alebrije
Member
Find BB easier , I haven't fallen on ledges when fighting foes on Souls games you can easily fall to pits/sea/etc when trying to hit/dodge an enemy so the game is not tricky on that way. I felt on BB quicker to upgrade weapons and energy green bar larger. The battle system is faster but again not as tricky as Souls games.
I find BB more open to a bigger market compared to the Souls niche players, this could lead to some people to think is not a hard game and that is a mistake , BB is hard enought to frustrate players not used to From's games.
I find BB more open to a bigger market compared to the Souls niche players, this could lead to some people to think is not a hard game and that is a mistake , BB is hard enought to frustrate players not used to From's games.
I posted In this thread already, but Im finding it very difficult and I platinumed DSI and II and found niether super difficult, but bloodborne is very hard for me.
I beat the first two bosses first try which made me feel very confident in my skilz but then that l
just wrecked me many times. 
I feel like I'm pretty high level for it to be viable for an "under leveled" complaint too. Which is 30 btw. It may be that I'm not in love with the cane or the kirk hammer, but I don't want to make excuses.
I beat the first two bosses first try which made me feel very confident in my skilz but then that l
ady who turns into alf and both the Gatling gun hunter and the other hunter at the bottom of that ladder
I feel like I'm pretty high level for it to be viable for an "under leveled" complaint too. Which is 30 btw. It may be that I'm not in love with the cane or the kirk hammer, but I don't want to make excuses.
Rising_Hei
Member
I just can't see the point in playing a game like this with a walkthrough... if you know what's next the game is no different than any other and it loses all its magic :/