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[Manmademan]

yeah but if doom went into that universe the lanterns who would get power from him should immediately get leveled up, i never understood how ANYONE could mess with the Lanterns considering their power source, power levels, and numbers.

Because...

 

[kswiston]

yeah but if doom went into that universe the lanterns who would get power from him should immediately get leveled up, i never understood how ANYONE could mess with the Lanterns considering their power source, power levels, and numbers.

In practice, they aren't that powerful. The entire Corps couldn't stop Superboy Prime in Infinite Crisis.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Yo Superman Prime is broken. Don't shit talk the mad fanboy in a comic world and yeah what he is.

 

[Parallax]

Because...

damn. you can smell the edge.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Ugh. disgusting. Prime doom would never go out like a chump. Ultimate universe is SO TERRIBLE

Galactus is on the job, doing what should've been done bout 7 years or so ago. It will all be over soon.

 

[Manmademan]

In practice, they aren't that powerful. The entire Corps couldn't stop Superboy Prime in Infinite Crisis.

Which is ridiculously stupid, since one of them most certainly COULD stop him, let alone the entire corps. They just lacked the willpower and/or creativity to do so.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

In practice, they aren't that powerful. The entire Corps couldn't stop Superboy Prime in Infinite Crisis.

but dont you see how stupid that is, superboy primes WILL should power their rings after he punches himself into the dimension. He's already a 4th wall char and now he's in their universe and they get wrecked, its just dumb. Everyone who ever fucks with them also powers their battery on Oa and they get that shit in their rings. Brute power and or str should always fail against the GL corps.

 

[Manmademan]

but dont you see how stupid that is, superboy primes WILL should power their rings after he punches himself into the dimension. He's already a 4th wall char and now he's in their universe and they get wrecked, its just dumb. Everyone who ever fucks with them also powers their battery on Oa and they get that shit in their rings. Brute power and or str should always fail against the GL corps.

I didn't think the rings worked that way? the amount of power they have available (that comes from their individual batteries) is separate from their ability to wield that power, which is dependent on their own individual wills and creativity. At least that's the way it's typically been written. if there's been a recent retcon, it might be different.

edit: here's green arrow attempting to use a green lantern ring. creating a simple arrow construct was extremely painful, wiped him out, and he could barely speak afterwards.

 

[akira28]

No. Because even if Doom almost covers every angle, Reed Richards will just threaten to destroy the universe if Doom doesn't quit it.

I think even Doom realizes that Richards is more dangerous than Doom.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

I didn't think the rings worked that way? the amount of power they have available (that comes from their individual batteries) is separate from their ability to wield that power, which is dependent on their own individual wills and creativity. At least that's the way it's typically been written. if there's been a recent retcon, it might be different.

well yeah their will , would let them use the power of the ring, that power came from their battery/lantern thing which was charged at the main battery on Oa. But there should be tons of lanterns that cannot be fucked with. How many are on the planet? Every living thing in the universe powers the battery , which powers the lantern which powers their rings. Just like what you linked, Bats is right, who could fuck with you if you had that weapon. Such a superficial limitation, " GAH my WILL its..not ..ENOUGH" really bitch? fight or flight most people have the will its their faculties that arent up to snuff then they lose the will to persevere. They have no such problem the ring will respond to the user*NU52 retcon???*, they are squad deep, and all who oppose them fuel them. They should be the ultimate force in the DC universe. Give capt Atom a damn ring then. Or Dr Fate, better yet I bet Black Adam knows how to use it, what losers are the rings choosing geezus.

 

[Manmademan]

well yeah their will , would let them use the power of the ring, that power came from their battery/lantern thing which was charged at the main battery on Oa. But there should be tons of lanterns that cannot be fucked with. How many are on the planet? Every living thing in the universe powers the battery , which powers the lantern which powers their rings. Just like what you linked, Bats is right, who could fuck with you if you had that weapon. Such a superficial limitation, " GAH my WILL its..not ..ENOUGH" really bitch? fight or flight most people have the will its their faculties that arent up to snuff then they lose the will to persevere. They have no such problem the ring will respond to the user*NU52 retcon???*, they are squad deep, and all who oppose them fuel them. They should be the ultimate force in the DC universe. Give capt Atom a damn ring then. Or Dr Fate, better yet I bet Black Adam knows how to use it, what losers are the rings choosing geezus.

It's not that simple. see the above scan with green lantern almost killing himself trying to make one arrow.

Green lantern rings are dependent on the will of the individual user, as well as their mastery of their own fear. weak lanterns are still powerless against anything colored yellow- Hal Jordan couldn't touch the color yellow for the vast majority of his career.

Creativity also plays into it. As the batman scan above points out, Hal was basically dumb as a post, and used the ring to make giant goofy fists and punch things. Kyle Rayner on the other hand was an artist and written as such.

 

[NEO0MJ]

God I hate the sniveling little shit the FF movies made Doom into. Of all the non-Marvel-owned movie properties, FF is the one I want to revert to the MCU the most. Xmen and whatever don't really feel like they'd gel with how that universe has been established, but the FF would fit in great. And then we could have Doom for the Infinity Gauntlet, and maaaaaaaaaaaan. ;-;

We don't even need the FF, just give us doom :'(

 

[Village]

No. Because even if Doom almost covers every angle, Reed Richards will just threaten to destroy the universe if Doom doesn't quit it.

I think even Doom realizes that Richards is more dangerous than Doom.

And then Black Panther looks at them both funny and then they stop.

And then Banner is just walking by happy and they go on hot alert. Because he Supreme Genius ass pull levels from the 7th demension, so much so they Hulk needs to be here so banner doesn't think for too long.

 

[zerokoolpsx]

Didn't realize how badass BP is. Who would win in a fight? BP vs. Batman. They both have prep time.

 

[kswiston]

Didn't realize how badass BP is. Who would win in a fight? BP vs. Batman. They both have prep time.

Black Panther by a mile. Wakanda is a utopia, even though the rest of Africa is a hellhole. After Doom destroyed their largest domestic product (vibranium) and after Namor flooded the entire country, it took Wakanda like 6 months to get back in healthy working order. Batman can't even clean up Gotham.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Just get Phoenix to use X-Factor and pump his ass.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Black Panther by a mile. Wakanda is a utopia, even though the rest of Africa is a hellhole. After Doom destroyed their largest domestic product (vibranium) and after Namor flooded the entire country, it took Wakanda like 6 months to get back in healthy working order. Batman can't even clean up Gotham.

One of the annoying things about the Super-Batman we see in crossovers is that it makes him look incompetent in Gotham.

 

[The Living Tribunal]

Didn't realize how badass BP is. Who would win in a fight? BP vs. Batman. They both have prep time.

T'challa would sarcasm him to death.

 

[Village]

Just get Phoenix to use X-Factor and pump his ass.

The point character would just switch her in and kill her doe, or get em with so stray stuff on an accidental assist or a b'day.

 

[NEO0MJ]

T'challa would sarcasm him to death.

Maybe he can Arm bar him, too.

 

[Manmademan]

Didn't realize how badass BP is. Who would win in a fight? BP vs. Batman. They both have prep time.

There is no scenario in which Batman takes out BP. Not one.

 

[akira28]

I think the Panther will kill.

 

[spindashing]

Because...

2EDGY4ME

 

[Funky Papa]

Thor ends up with the Enchantress in why too many realities. After all the shit done to him, and they always have busted kids.

To be honest, you can tell she's into some kinky shit.

Marry Sif, bone Enchantress. That's the winning formula.

 

[zerokoolpsx]

There is no scenario in which Batman takes out BP. Not one.

Even if BP removes his vibranium suit? Bats has no way to deal with it.

 

[Manmademan]

Even if BP removes his vibranium suit? Bats has no way to deal with it.

BP doesn't even need it. Current BP has the combined power of every Panther before him and is LUDICROUSLY powerful compared to his classic interpretation.

We know he's strong enough to beat down one of Thanos' generals in H2H combat (and that dude was BIG), can turn invisible, and teleport i.e. nightcrawler at will...among other things.

Batman would last literally seconds against BP right now.

 

[Slayven]

T'challa would sarcasm him to death.

Black Panther walks into the Batcave and sees the Batcomputer.

"We have something similar in my country, but it is much smaller and is used by our children that are just starting to read."

 

[zerokoolpsx]

BP doesn't even need it. Current BP has the combined power of every Panther before him and is LUDICROUSLY powerful compared to his classic interpretation.

We know he's strong enough to beat down one of Thanos' generals in H2H combat (and that dude was BIG), can turn invisible, and teleport i.e. nightcrawler at will...among other things.

Batman would last literally seconds against BP right now.

What. That is hella OP. Not even a contest.

 

[Jay Sosa]

Even though I have (almost) no idea what you guys are talking about I immensely enjoy these threads.

And why does Batman always come up in these threads. Isn't he one of the weakest super heroes? Or is this some kind of running joke?

 

[Slayven]

Even though I have (almost) no idea what you guys are talking about I immensely enjoy these threads.

And why does Batman always come up in these threads. Isn't he one of the weakest super heroes? Or is this some kind of running joke?

During the 90s there was a story called "Tower of Babel". It presentrf Batman as an asshole that doesn't trust his friends, and came up with plans to kill them. For some reason people decided that was a good look for Batman.

 

[Manmademan]

What. That is hella OP. Not even a contest.

not at ALL.

And this is on top of the whole "BP is a supergenius top martial artist king of a utopia with tech that's good enough to send alien invaders running for their lives" thing.

 

[Slayven]

Wakanda never starts shit, but they damn well finishes it.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

It's not that simple. see the above scan with green lantern almost killing himself trying to make one arrow.

Green lantern rings are dependent on the will of the individual user, as well as their mastery of their own fear. weak lanterns are still powerless against anything colored yellow- Hal Jordan couldn't touch the color yellow for the vast majority of his career.

Creativity also plays into it. As the batman scan above points out, Hal was basically dumb as a post, and used the ring to make giant goofy fists and punch things. Kyle Rayner on the other hand was an artist and written as such.

green arrow or green lantern that looks like oliver. I see what youre saying its just that...doesnt experience and maturity count for anything...geez surely they can manage their limitations better or utilize their abilities better over time damn... How many Lanterns are there? a planet of them? They all suck? I've seen groups of these dudes getting worked *fuck you Doomsday* if not the planet..i guess they lacked conviction. Fuck it im with Bats , they blow , an entire planet of losers. The limitations are there, finite amt of power, weak to yellow spectrum light, but hot damn is the potential also there , all the will in the universe , anything their creativity and will can sustain the ring will construct. Just wow i mean thats fucking awesome.....I saw some new lantern make dual pistols.... SMH...read a BOOK you fucks

 

[Jay Sosa]

During the 90s there was a story called "Tower of Babel". It presentrf Batman as an asshole that doesn't trust his friends, and came up with plans to kill them. For some reason people decided that was a good look for Batman.

Thanks..even though now I'm even more confused. But that might have other reasons.

And why is this the first I heard of that Black Panther character, dude sounds badass.

 

[Manmademan]

Thanks..even though now I'm even more confused. But that might have other reasons.

And why is this the first I heard of that Black Panther character, dude sounds badass.

Because he doesn't have any movies.

The current "dark knight" interpretation of Batman only really dates back to the late 80s/early 90s with Batman: Year one, and the general public wasn't aware of it until Burton's films. Before that Batman was a lot closer to the "adam west" interpretation.

BP has a very similar characterization, but the "dark knight prep time super genius" thing he has going on dates back to his creation in the 1960s.

 

[Jay Sosa]

Ahhhh, ok. Thanks!

Now please proceed

 

[Slayven]

Because he doesn't have any movies.

The current "dark knight" interpretation of Batman only really dates back to the late 80s/early 90s with Batman: Year one, and the general public wasn't aware of it until Burton's films. Before that Batman was a lot closer to the "adam west" interpretation.

BP has a very similar characterization, but the "dark knight prep time super genius" thing he has going on dates back to his creation in the 1960s.

His first story has him prepping taking down the FF so he can prep for taking down Klaw.

 

[Manmademan]

His first story has him prepping taking down the FF so he can prep for taking down Klaw.

That also. BP flies under the radar of a lot of comic fans, but is a great character.

Batman's reputation is drastically out of proportion to what he actually DOES in his own books, prep time or no.

As far as marvel goes, Bruce would have an easy time with similar street level heroes like daredevil or moon knight, struggle a bit with punisher, get dominated more often than not by Cap and anyone above that would take him to the cleaners on a fairly regular basis.

 

[Slayven]

That also. BP flies under the radar of a lot of comic fans, but is a great character.

Batman's reputation is drastically out of proportion to what he actually DOES in his own books, prep time or no.

As far as marvel goes, Bruce would have an easy time with similar street level heroes like daredevil or moon knight, struggle a bit with punisher, get dominated more often than not by Cap and anyone above that would take him to the cleaners on a fairly regular basis.

Crossbones would be a lot less forgiving than Bane. Taskmaster would think he was cute.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Doom needs a redesign. His design is so Marvel circa 60s still.

I'm for every marvel character going back to their 60s looks.

 

[kswiston]

Most of Marvel's street level characters seem above Batman as far as I can see. Spider-man and Luke Cage are street level in the Marvel U. Both are stronger/more durable than Bane, who is one of Batman's more physically powerful rogues. Iron Fist and Shang Chi would wipe the floor with Bruce in a fight. Same with Daredevil.

I guess Batman's tech could make up some of the difference, but DCs street level characters seem to be under Marvel's in terms of powers, even if their global heroes tend to be more powerful.

 

[xenist]

Because...

The sorry state of Frank Miller's inane ramblings is quite tragic.

 

[Manmademan]

Crossbones would be a lot less forgiving than Bane. Taskmaster would think he was cute.

That's the thing. For someone with his reputation, Batman's rogues gallery is shockingly weak, and many of them (Joker) get a lot of mileage out of the fact that they know Batman won't actually kill them. Ras Al Ghul and Bane are probably the most capable, with Joker's schtick being that he's "unpredictable."

Cap's typical villains are MUCH worse. Red Skull, Crossbones, Arnim Zola, Baron Zemo, Madame Hydra, and Taskmaster would have a field day, as would AIM and HYDRA as organizations. These are all extremely intelligent global level threats and not broken sociopaths with strange gimmicks i.e. the riddler, mad hatter, victor zasz, etc.

Even spiderman's rogues would give him the fits. Kingpin, Doc Ock, Norman Osborn, various hobgoblins, Venom, Kraven, Mysterio, Tarantula, and Electro would have Gotham in flames in a couple of hours- and spiderman routinely takes on 6 of these at the same time.

The sorry state of Frank Miller's inane ramblings is quite tragic.

Miller's writing aside, Hal Jordan has always been written as extremely underwhelming, given what the ring can actually do. The whole "going evil and turning into parallax" thing was the one time where you FINALLY saw what the ring was really capable of.

 

[Slayven]

That's the thing. For someone with his reputation, Batman's rogues gallery is shockingly weak, and many of them (Joker) get a lot of mileage out of the fact that they know Batman won't actually kill them. Ras Al Ghul and Bane are probably the most capable, with Joker's schtick being that he's "unpredictable."

Cap's typical villains are MUCH worse. Red Skull, Crossbones, Arnim Zola, Baron Zemo, Madame Hydra, and Taskmaster would have a field day, as would AIM and HYDRA as organizations. These are all extremely intelligent global level threats and not broken sociopaths with strange gimmicks i.e. the riddler, mad hatter, victor zasz, etc.

Even spiderman's rogues would give him the fits. Kingpin, Doc Ock, Norman Osborn, various hobgoblins, Venom, Kraven, Mysterio, Tarantula, and Electro would have Gotham in flames in a couple of hours- and spiderman routinely takes on 6 of these at the same time.



Miller's writing aside, Hal Jordan has always been written as extremely underwhelming, given what the ring can actually do. The whole "going evil and turning into parallax" thing was the one time where you FINALLY saw what the ring was really capable of.

Could you imagine him against Osborn? A sociopath with some serious juice and resources?

 

[Manmademan]

Could you imagine him against Osborn? A sociopath with some serious juice and resources?

Oh I could imagine it...for about five minutes. Gotham would be goblin territory so fast it would make your head spin.

I think a previous poster might have had it right- marvel's street level just seems to be a notch up. Batman might have fun with daredevil's regulars, but that's about it. I disagree about the marvel high end though- at the moment it's easily a match for DC and then some.

 

[Slayven]

Oh I could imagine it...for about five minutes. Gotham would be goblin territory so fast it would make your head spin.

I guess that is why they got rid of Maxi Zeus, could have been real trouble for Batman.


Marvel's Street and midtier is much more develop and they are more willing to use them.

 

[Manmademan]

I guess that is why they got rid of Maxi Zeus, could have been real trouble for Batman.

how did I miss this guy? He was even in the animated series. Hhm.

 

[Harlock]

 

[braves01]

I don't know anything about comics, but from my time watching 90s X-Men I remember Apocalypse being super powerful. I recall them only being able to slow him down, never outright defeat.

 

[kswiston]

I don't know anything about comics, but from my time watching 90s X-Men I remember Apocalypse being super powerful. I recall them only being able to slow him down, never outright defeat.

He's dead now. There's a 13 year old clone of him that attends Wolverine's Mutant school.