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[Kabouter]

uh cooking at home is supremely less expensive than going out. I can make five meals for around 10 bucks, one "meal" at a drive through is 7 or 8 bucks.

Well, I almost never eat out, and certainly never at places like McDonalds, so I'm not really aware of the pricing on that. But I recalled having read on GAF that price was often a reason for people to opt for fast food. But I'm going to assume you are right on this, so it must just be a time thing then for some.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Thread replies would have been very different if Dragona were still here

 

[xxracerxx]

Depending on age of the children, cooking can be family time well spent. Most kids who get home cooked meals grow to appreciate it more than many people would assume as well.

So true. I grew up helping my dad/mom prepare meals and am a better person for it (at least I think so). Where as my fiance never cooked with her family and never had sit down dinners. She only cooks out of the box things or micorwaves things.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I expect anyone to be able to cook some basic stuff, not just women.

Pretty much. Although I certainly assume southern women can cook well, due to my extended family

 

[Devolution]

No, I'm quoting a study from the US governments Bureau of Labor and Statistics. You, however, can continue willfully making assumptions about me.

More like I'm right. Does the study only log the hours they are paid or what? Because there is so much work to be done outside of the classroom, when they get home their day is never over.

 

[Seraphinianus]

Well, I almost never eat out, and certainly never at places like McDonalds, so I'm not really aware of the pricing on that. But I recalled having read on GAF that price was often a reason for people to opt for fast food. But I'm going to assume you are right on this, so it must just be a time thing then for some.

it used to be much cheaper, but I think fast food prices have crept up and people don't care that much.

I can get much higher quality local fast food for much cheaper than McDonalds in chicago.

 

[Joel Was Right]

More like I'm right. Does the study only log the hours they are paid or what? Because there is so much work to be done outside of the classroom, when they get home their day is never over.

And more importantly, is the study within the last few years or not? Ask him that too

Spoiler

tongue in cheek

 

[Devolution]

Well, I almost never eat out, and certainly never at places like McDonalds, so I'm not really aware of the pricing on that. But I recalled having read on GAF that price was often a reason for people to opt for fast food. But I'm going to assume you are right on this, so it must just be a time thing then for some.

Well it's also quicker, so someone who also has to do laundry, bathe the kids, etc can just pick up a quick meal and get to doing other things that need doing.

 

[levious]

More like I'm right. Does the study only log the hours they are paid or what? Because there is so much work to be done outside of the classroom, when they get home their day is never over.

but again, most people end up working outside of their office and beyond the 9 to 5 window.

 

[Dude Abides]

i'm teaching my gf how to cook . I told her i expect her to be able to if we get married. I told her there are days when i wont be able to get home till after her and those days she should cook or in the summer months have all the food ready for me to put on the grill.

Considering she is a teacher and will basicly get home at 4pm and has summers off i think its fair to expect her to be able to have some food waiting for me when i get home at 7pm from a hard day of work

Why can't she grill? Is she stupid and likely to set your yard on fire?

In any event I certainly hope you don't intend to permit her to continue to wear shoes.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

More like I'm right. Does the study only log the hours they are paid or what? Because there is so much work to be done outside of the classroom, when they get home their day is never over.

First, you're wrong. Second, the study is here. Third, if you read the study, you will see that it was done by surveying teachers themselves on time worked, so as to get a realistic picture of how much the average teacher was working.

And in case you missed it:

Teachers employed full time
worked 24 fewer minutes per
weekday and 42 fewer minutes per Saturday than other
full-time professionals. On
Sundays, teachers and other
professionals worked, on average, about the same amount
of time. These estimates are
averages for all teachers and
other professionals who did
some work in the week prior
to their interview

So instead of ignorantly calling me out by pulling anecdotes out of your ass to prove your point, do the research first.

 

[kehs]

More like I'm right. Does the study only log the hours they are paid or what? Because there is so much work to be done outside of the classroom, when they get home their day is never over.

Sounds like another case of likes-to-work-for-free to me.

 

[Seraphinianus]

ok, anyway, the answer of the question is yes, it might be a little misogynistic to expect all women to be able to cook.

At least one person needs to be able to cook if other arrangements (maid, other sources of food) aren't made. Expecting all women to be the homemaker is some 50s shit. If you want a homemaker these days, find someone who is willing to do it, but expecting all women to cook and take care of the kids is pretty misogynistic.

 

[Devolution]

but again, most people end up working outside of their office and beyond the 9 to 5 window.

Sure but it's pretty much guaranteed for teachers and they aren't given the option to telecommute usually.

 

[Zoe]

Depending on age of the children, cooking can be family time well spent. Most kids who get home cooked meals grow to appreciate it more than many people would assume as well.

Eh. I got home cooked meals most of my childhood, and it did nothing for me apparently.

Regardless of grade level teachers work fewer hours than private industry average.

Working a certain number of hours per day does not automatically translate to free time at home to take care of chores.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Most people should make the effort to cook real and healthy meals for their kids but the realities of life are that sometimes you just don't want to and your kids are hungry and you probably just want it to be done with.

 

[Devolution]

First, you're wrong. Second, the study is here. Third, if you read the study, you will see that it was done by surveying teachers themselves on time worked, so as to get a realistic picture of how much the average teacher was working.

And in case you missed it:



So instead of ignorantly calling me out by pulling anecdotes out of your ass to prove your point, do the research first.

Thirty percent of teachers worked at home on an average day, compared with 20 percent of other full-time professionals. Teachers and other professionals were equally likely to work at their workplace on an average day.

On an average day, teachers were more likely to work at more than one location—such as at their workplace and at home—than were other full-time professionals.

Teachers were more likely to work on a Sunday than were other full-time professionals. Fifty-one percent of teachers worked on an average Sunday, compared with 30 percent of other full-time professionals

Hmm.

 

[Slappers Only]

Expecting that all women know how to cook and holding your own potential mate to your own standard are two different things. Regardless of whether it's some shade of mysogyny, if the girl's hypersensitive enough to care, she's probably not worth it.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

Hmm.

Hmm indeed. Teachers work at home more often, but work for a total of less time. I am really unsure as to how you did ANYTHING to prove my original statement was false. Please try again.

 

[Devolution]

Hmm indeed. Teachers work at home more often, but work for a total of less time. I am really unsure as to how you did ANYTHING to prove my original statement was false. Please try again.

You didn't really prove Zoe wrong with your assertion.

 

[scar tissue]

Word to the wise, when dating, be very leery of a girl who proclaims that she is a bad cook, or has no interest in becoming a good cook. If you marry that girl, and you are not a good cook, your future will consist of restaurant take-out and inedible garbage for dinner every night.

So my life wouldn't change. Where's the problem, lol?

 

[andycapps]

My wife and I split the cooking. That being said, very occasionally we'll get McD's for us. It's really bad food but the mood does occasionally hit us for a big mac. Most of the time if we want to eat out we'll get Chipotle and get the kids meal for my 5 year old daughter. Cheese quesadilla, container of rice, container of beans, chips, and organic milk or juice for $2.50. Can't beat that.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

You didn't really prove Zoe wrong with your assertion.

Zoe's point was most likely to say that even if a teacher arrived home early they still worked. The was in response to a poster saying he expected his SO to have food prepared for him because he presumably worked longer hours. My response was to say that teachers do indeed work fewer hours than other professionals, and therefore it seems just that he pass some of the cooking responsibility on to her.

My intention was not to prove Zoe wrong that teachers work at home, but to prove Zoe wrong by pointing out that while teachers do work at home, they work fewer hours.

All you did was essentially make a fool out of yourself trying to refute the fact that I used in rebuttal. Nice try though.

 

[Devolution]

McNuggets are kind of addicting but it really sucks when they forget to give sauce. And I don't realize it till it's too late.

Zoe's point was most likely to say that even if a teacher arrived home early they still worked. The was in response to a poster saying he expected his SO to have food prepared for him because he presumably worked longer hours. My response was to say that teachers do indeed work fewer hours than other professionals, and therefore it seems just that he pass some of the cooking responsibility on to her.

My intention was not to prove Zoe wrong that teachers work at home, but to prove Zoe wrong by pointing out that while teachers do work at home, they work fewer hours.

All you did was essentially make a fool out of yourself trying to refute the fact that I used in rebuttal. Nice try though.

Work shorter times than the professionals who happen to have work beyond the workplace. Which they don't really quantify how much that is, and they're still doing it more often than other industry professionals. They don't work fewer hours than most people, they're working more.

 

[Mr. B Natural]

Eh. I got home cooked meals most of my childhood, and it did nothing for me apparently.

Of course it's not a set rule, but children and people alike are sponges that soak up the who, what, where, when, why and how of everything around them. If it wasn't the case, the word "culture" wouldn't mean anything to us at all. You got your culture in your home and family. Culture in your neighborhood. Culture in your town, county, state, nation and finally planet. All very important to leading you in a path that makes you function in each of those spaces.

The issue, for cooking at least in america, is the country culture is pretty much telling you and I that cooking is a "whatever" thing and, despite the fact that we eat 5 or 6 times a day and is as important as anything you can do to your body and mind, it's not worth worrying about, or investing your time into. So, if you lived in a home culture that disagrees, you got conflict there.

 

[Buckethead]

This 2011?

We're shooting for equality?

Ok.

I expect you to be able to cook. And balance your checkbook. And take care of yourself.
Goes both ways and not everyone needs to be a culinary expert, but it's not unrealistic.

Your standards are probably just low if you think otherwise.

 

[notworksafe]

They don't work fewer hours than most people, they're working more.

.

Teachers employed full time worked 24 fewer minutes per weekday and 42 fewer minutes per Saturday than other full-time professionals. On Sundays, teachers and other professionals worked, on average, about the same amount of time. These estimates are averages for all teachers and other professionals who did some work in the week prior to their interview.

 

[The Technomancer]

Well, I almost never eat out, and certainly never at places like McDonalds, so I'm not really aware of the pricing on that. But I recalled having read on GAF that price was often a reason for people to opt for fast food. But I'm going to assume you are right on this, so it must just be a time thing then for some.

Price cannot be a good reason to eat fast food. My parents can make a healthier, more balanced meal for a family of five for 10-15 bucks and a half an hour in the kitchen. McDonalds is usually in the realm of 35+
And I'm not talking Hamburger Helper and Chef-boy-ar-dee here, I'm talking about real food.

 

[Devolution]

.

These estimates are averages for all teachers and other professionals who did some work in the week prior to their interview.

Key phrase. On average more teachers are still working more hours at home. Unless you missed my post full of those statistics.

 

[TommyT]

Price cannot be a good reason to eat fast food. My parents can make a healthier, more balanced meal for a family of five for 15-20 bucks (if that) and a half an hour in the kitchen. McDonalds is usually in the realm of 35+

Ok, I eat dinner at 6:30. Am I coming to their place or will they be coming to mine?

 

[Devolution]

Price cannot be a good reason to eat fast food. My parents can make a healthier, more balanced meal for a family of five for 15-20 bucks (if that) and a half an hour in the kitchen. McDonalds is usually in the realm of 35+

Does this include ordering from the dollar menu?

 

[notworksafe]

Key phrase. On average more teachers are still working more hours at home. Unless you missed my post full of those statistics.

They work less at the workplace too..

Teachers employed full time worked 24 fewer minutes per weekday and 42 fewer minutes per Saturday than other full-time professionals

On average for all days of the week, teachers worked 18 fewer minutes per day, and did household activities—such as housework, cooking, lawn care, or financial and other household management—12 more minutes per day, than all other full-time professionals.

 

[levious]

Key phrase. On average more teachers are still working more hours at home. Unless you missed my post full of those statistics.

isn't that phrase just guaranteeing that all those surveyed worked the week prior?

Teachers spent less time working, more time doing household
activities, than did other professionals, 2003–06

I'm not understanding where your interpretation of the study is coming from, but I haven't had time to read it that thoroughly.

edit: didn't notice you specified at home, but it doesn't change the original assertion that they work less overall than the average professional.

 

[El Sloth]

Most of the top chefs are guys.

But does that have to do with any actual difference in ability or more to do with it traditionally being harder for women to get top chef positions*?

*Something that is not so much true now, but very much so in the not-so-distant past.

 

[Shalashaska161]

I kind of expect everyone, man or woman, to have a basic understanding of cooking. You don't have to be making gourmet shit, but at least be able to follow a recipe. It's amazing how many people can't do that.

 

[Mr. B Natural]

First, you're wrong. Second, the study is here. Third, if you read the study, you will see that it was done by surveying teachers themselves on time worked, so as to get a realistic picture of how much the average teacher was working.

And in case you missed it:



So instead of ignorantly calling me out by pulling anecdotes out of your ass to prove your point, do the research first.

Ok first off this study is 8 years old. So, there goes your stupid study.
Second, the average american sleeps 6.7 hours. Not 8. Not even close. There goes your stupid study.
Third, those numbers include part time "professional" workers, so you can't extract shit out of it even if it was remotely up to date and had proper up to date stats. A part time teacher is still a professional considering a degree is required to be a sub, for instance. A part time cook isn't. Part time teacher gets included in statistic. Part time cook doesn't.
Don't say checkmate unless you actually have checkmate.

And if you're gonna quote a study, Quote a study. Don't bait people with a statement and then act all high and mighty with your trump card. Show the link or at least tell where you get your data in your first post. Make your statement. Move on. That way you sound like someone trying to be actually informative.

 

[The Technomancer]

Does this include ordering from the dollar menu?

Hm, good point. I guess if you were really desperate up for food then you could manage on the dollar menu at about the same cost.

 

[Devolution]

Hm, good point. I guess if you were really desperate up for food then you could manage on the dollar menu at about the same cost.

Not just same cost, cheaper. Honestly the dollar menu is great if you're randomly hungry and found change in the couch but people do actually use it for their meals =/.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

I kind of expect everyone, man or woman, to have a basic understanding of cooking. You don't have to be making gourmet shit, but at least be able to follow a recipe. It's amazing how many people can't do that.

I agree. Rudimentary cooking is very easy, and all you really need is rudimentary skill to cook most things. It's like being unable to pay your bills on time (but not for financial reasons), anyone who can't do that much has basically failed at life.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

Ok first off this study is 8 years old. So, there goes your stupid study.
Second, the average american sleeps 6.7 hours. Not 8. Not even close. There goes your stupid study.
Third, those numbers include part time "professional" workers, so you can't extract shit out of it even if it was remotely up to date and had proper up to date stats. A part time teacher is still a professional considering a degree is required to be a sub, for instance. A part time cook isn't. Part time teacher gets included in statistic. Part time cook doesn't.
Don't say checkmate unless you actually have checkmate.

Wat.

First of all, when it comes to demographics, which are only measured in this country every ten years, that is more than current. Second of all, are you honestly trying to say that a study done by the BLS is worthless? Third of all, the quote in question was based on a survey of full time workers. Fourth of all, what the fuck are you talking about sleep for. You know what, I'm running out of numbers so I'm just going to stop.

Edit:

As to your edit, if someone hadn't told me in an insulting manner that I was wrong, while themselves being wrong, it would have been fine. I stated a fact as a matter of fact. What do you want me to do? Add a bibliographical citation to all of my posts for each of the facts I represent? Are you cereal bro?

 

[TommyT]

Not just same cost, cheaper. Honestly the dollar menu is great if you're randomly hungry and found change in the couch but people do actually use it for their meals =/.

There are added costs though. Finding change in the couch and going to buy a dollars worth of nuggets doesn't really just cost a dollar.

I know that's not what you're talking about specifically... but to me I always think about the 'overhead' when it comes to stuff like that.

..I'm running out of numbers so I'm just going to stop.

wat wat?! :lol

 

[Lionheart1337]

If women aren't supposed to cook, why do their bodies produce eggs and milk?

 

[Devolution]

There are added costs though. Finding change in the couch and going to buy a dollars worth of nuggets doesn't really just cost a dollar.


I know that's not what you're talking about specifically... but to me I always think about the 'overhead' when it comes to stuff like that.

I get you. They also have some crazy ass deal where you get like 20 nuggets for 5 bucks.

 

[JB1981]

Itt: devolution gets owned

 

[KJTB]

I expect anyone to be able to at least cook a little bit. I'd feel the same way about a guy bringing his son or daughter to McDonalds regularly, unless they're in real financial trouble.

 

[The Technomancer]

Itt: devolution gets owned

Huh?

 

[levious]

20 nuggets for 5 bucks.

I swore I wouldn't go back...

wait, hasn't the four piece been a dollar item for awhile?

 

[vordhosbn]

Itt: devolution gets owned

JB1981
Banned

What just happened?

 

[Count Dookkake]

Itt: devolution gets owned

Itt: JB1981 gets served.

 

[Jenga]

more or less


for the record, I'd want my wife to cook

so we can cook together <3