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[Ozriel]

I have played them all. The showcases were based on reality, like racing a speeding train or airplane. Not a mech from a cartoon. May as well let me race around the world as Mario or Yoshi.

You can rewind, your car smashes through trees and fenceposts without any damage and you can land your vehicle from 30 ft jumps without taking damage....and you draw the line at a mech?

lmao

 

[laynelane]

Who gives a fuck if it's a car game? You could just as easily say, "its a car game, why is this stuff in the game in the first place?". If they are unimportant and don't matter, why are these things here in the first place? This bullshit people like you pull where stupid shit is added to a game and you're like "why do you care?" only makes sense if you're retarded.

You can't have it both ways, if it is important enough to add to a video game, it's important enough to complain about. If it's irrelevant nonsense, that doesn't matter, it wouldn't exist in the first place.

One of the reason this stands out so much is because this is a car game. There are no RPG elements, no character growth, no story line, etc. to necessitate pronouns or three body types. It's ideology and identity politics once again being inserted where they don't belong. Whether it's to fulfill a check list, meet company guidelines, a reflection of the developer's world view, etc. or all of the above - I don't care any more. It's out of place and intrusive at the same time. I keep hoping devs are getting the message about this, but there's definitely still some holdouts.

 

[Germuso]

 

[Shadowstar39]

Holy shit are those really the default avatars?

Why are these companies making games for resetera? What the hell happened? Microsoft is super woke anymore, or has been for at least a decade.

 

[Shadowstar39]

One of the reason this stands out so much is because this is a car game. There are no RPG elements, no character growth, no story line, etc. to necessitate pronouns or three body types. It's ideology and identity politics once again being inserted where they don't belong. Whether it's to fulfill a check list, meet company guidelines, a reflection of the developer's world view, etc. or all of the above - I don't care any more. It's out of place and intrusive at the same time. I keep hoping devs are getting the message about this, but there's definitely still some holdouts.

The problem is they hire these types who push it and they will get complained to hr if they push back so they copitulate. No one has balls anymore to stand firm.

 

[Shadowstar39]

theose are just defaults. if you look carefully you can customise body type, skin, hair, etc.

just looking for a reason to get angry.

Why not have good looking people as defaults? Who wants their in game avatar to look ugly. If if you are in real life wouldn't you want to change that in game?

Devs used to know this, of course they also used to put good rock and metal music in games and that's gone now too.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Congratulations on discovering the concept of escapism

I just hope you are not one of those guys who creates a girl character because 'why not make something sexy if I need to look at it.' That is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard in my fucking life

Every time someone drops that line like it's a profound philosophical thesis, it's pure brain rot. Some of you genuinely cannot just play a game without trying to turn it into a digital centerfold

Dude you are the first person that ever shared the same mentality I have on that, drives me nuts

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Jesus Christ, the beginning of these games though

I don't WANT to 'follow' Mel to the festival for fuck sake. Just do one!!

Just give me a Supra and the map!!

It wasn't even 'Mel', it was Mei

 

[poppabk]

Oh so forced compliance.

I would have thought the option to not identify at all would be woke, I guess not.

Forced compliance? I know the pronouns thing has kinda gone nuts - but we all have preferred pronouns. When you chose male in older games, you were picking male pronouns.

 

[adamsapple]

Forced compliance? I know the pronouns thing has kinda gone nuts - but we all have preferred pronouns. When you chose male in older games, you were picking male pronouns.

You know .. that's a very interesting point I've never seen brought up. It's a legit head scratcher.

 

[Don Julio]

The pronouns shit alone is enough for me to never touch this. Whatever I see this in immediately gets put on ignore.

I seriously can't tell if y'all are being sarcastic or not

 

[Shubh_C63]

Yep fucking embarrassing. Not only that but cars have no damage. Even Samson and mindseye ai slop not to mention tons of games from 20 years ago had damage

I may be wrong but I think big automobile company restrict games with excessive damage which might show their car in a negative light.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Yep fucking embarrassing. Not only that but cars have no damage. Even Samson and mindseye ai slop not to mention tons of games from 20 years ago had damage

The only exotic body work that happens in this game is to the drivers.

 

[poppabk]

I may be wrong but I think big automobile company restrict games with excessive damage which might show their car in a negative light.

You really think car makers wouldn't allow this to happen to their cars in official games?

 

[StereoVsn]

Hmm. You might have to wait for quite a while.

But seeing as how you liked and happily played 'woke' BG3 and Hogwarts with pronouns, I suppose this is more about cost-cutting for you?

BG3 did quite well with characters and "woke" wasn't in your face at all.

And Hogwarts in general was inoffensive. Hell that's a game I would buy a game just because of that ginormous stupid outcry from everyone in the media.

Forza is a god damn racing game. I don't need this shit, I don't want that shit and I am perfectly fine with not buying it or waiting.

 

[StereoVsn]

I mean for all the other issues, it's Forza Horizon in Japan. I don't think anyone should be surprised by high sales.

 

[Pimpbaa]

The character creation in the series has always been awful, as is any "story" segments". No one plays the series for that shit. My character in FH5 looked lame as shit and looked no where near me. It's character creation was limited as fuck. But I didn't give a shit because I was having fun racing cars in an open world because that is why people play the series. Does this game appear to have woke elements, yes and that is annoying. Is it woke "slop", fuck no. I was more annoyed in BG3 that every male and female trying to fuck me (including the "emperor"). I did not consent to what Karlach did to me in the 2nd sex scene with her!

 

[Icymanipulator]

Forced compliance? I know the pronouns thing has kinda gone nuts - but we all have preferred pronouns. When you chose male in older games, you were picking male pronouns.

Ya sure in older games you pick a male or female character. You didn't select pronouns though, it was obviously assumed.

 

[calico]

When you chose male in older games, you were picking male pronouns.

You were picking whether to play as a male or female character in the game. Everyone in the game would then modify their language use based on whether your character was male or female.

ie. it reflected exactly how our society and language functions. It did not seek to push the idea that sex is (actually) a matter of personal choice, or that how others use language should be determined by a delusion or choice of the observee instead of by reality as perceived by the observer.

Could we alter our society and language to bake this element of obliged dishonesty and enabling of mental illness into our every day social interactions? Sure. Should we? No.

The only thing I will sometimes give these character creators a degree of credit for is if they automatically default to the correct 'pronouns' based on whether you have picked a male or female 'body type'. I find this amusing as it tacitly acknowledges that it's normal to infer pronouns from the sex of the character, and abnormal to do otherwise.

 

[viveks86]

The only thing I will sometimes give these character creators a degree of credit for is if they automatically default to the correct 'pronouns' based on whether you have picked a male or female 'body type'. I find this amusing as it tacitly acknowledges that it's normal to infer pronouns from the sex of the character, and abnormal to do otherwise.

And what if the bolded becomes the de facto standard? Is that a viable middle ground so we can all agree and move on?

I think we have had a similar exchange before where I said there is no reset button on this topic no matter how much noise is made or "boycotts" occur. The western world is simply too polarized (or too far gone if you think that's appropriate) to naively rewind to whatever point in history is convenient to any individual's worldview.

As someone looking at this from the left, but also sympathetic to the right's perspective, default pronouns aligned to body type, where options aren't forced makes sense. Neo-pronouns (ze/zir etc) where language itself is being invented/distorted makes no sense. Adoption of that has been super low anyway and will likely disappear eventually. Explicitly acknowledging male and female body types instead of dehumanized numbers makes sense. And for those inclined to change defaults, options make sense too.

It is not the job of a developer to dictate what is right for society. It's their job to make more people want to play their games, instead of fewer. They are currently a bit lost from the last decade of madness and the past couple of years of counter-madness. An acceptable middle ground can help them find their way back to focus on what's actually their job - making good games.

If a portion of society feels alienated without it, they might as well throw in the option. Nobody gets gender dysphoria (or mental illness if you think that's more appropriate) from the mere sight of these options in games, so catastrophizing this is pointless. And given devs are mostly woke anyway, they will be inclined to oblige with options. It costs near nothing to build and everyone gets what suits them.

I think you are onto something practical, if you meant that statement in earnest.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I can't believe that you guys have the energy to complain about people having the temerity to exist over and over and over again.

 

[Sohurmk833]

I can't believe that you guys have the energy to complain about people having the temerity to exist over and over and over again.

You can exist just fine without bothering other people with you sexual fetishes.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

You can exist just fine without bothering other people with you sexual fetishes.

 

[Mozza]

They are simply going along with the mainstream agenda of trying to normalise what is not normal. But don't dare notice this whatever you do.

 

[Ozriel]

BG3 did quite well with characters and "woke" wasn't in your face at all.

And Hogwarts in general was inoffensive. Hell that's a game I would buy a game just because of that ginormous stupid outcry from everyone in the media.

Forza is a god damn racing game. I don't need this shit, I don't want that shit and I am perfectly fine with not buying it or waiting.

In Forza Horizon, you see the body types only once, during character creation. Never again for the rest of the game

In Hogwarts, They/Them pronouns were used throughout the game.

The truth is that some of you people lack any sort of conviction, and will hypocritically adjust your position based on how hyped you are for the game.

And Hogwarts in general was inoffensive.

"They/them/their pronouns are inoffensive in general"

I suppose it's the racing in FH6 that tips the scale
Into offensiveness for you?

 

[Sept Terrion Of Nothing]

One of the reason this stands out so much is because this is a car game. There are no RPG elements, no character growth, no story line, etc. to necessitate pronouns or three body types. It's ideology and identity politics once again being inserted where they don't belong. Whether it's to fulfill a check list, meet company guidelines, a reflection of the developer's world view, etc. or all of the above - I don't care any more. It's out of place and intrusive at the same time. I keep hoping devs are getting the message about this, but there's definitely still some holdouts.

This is exactly it. It is all about politics and showing their twisted ideologies through our throats. This is not "modern audience" excuse, this is pure fascist intent to force their way.

I believe western people really have too much free time in their lives. They want to "invent" new things to twist and force their "ideals" to other people. They don't care making a good, enjoyable games. We are really lucky to have eastern developers. At least they wanna make enjoyable games without these political bullshits.

Oh and thanks to this thread, I'll put this game on my ignore list like I did with the trash propaganda agent of DA: DEIguard.

 

[Gonzito]

I don't have any arguments so I proceed to insult you

 

[MrJangles]

Are the cars trans or non-binary? That's the important thing.

 

[TheKratos]

Fucking woke slops and woke apologists man

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I don't have any arguments so I proceed to insult you

Sometimes, there's no point trying to debate something with someone who has such a piss poor grasp of the subject. It'd be like trying to debate with a table.

But I will add, that being a hateful idiot should get you insults. So the outcome is fine. People can better themselves with feedback. So, fingers crossed.

 

[Quezacolt]

I do enjoy the driving itself, and how good the world is in the forza horizon games, i just wish there was an option to remove all the dialogue.

Worst part of horizon 5 for me, was being forced to watch cutscenes with terrible dialogue, from annoying characters. These games emcompass everything wrong with modern writing for the "modern audience".

 

[Superposition]

Mostly tolerable, but what the fuck is this ''Body Type 3'' ???

 

[Hadji*]

western devs

and reading some of those replies, imagine going against basic biology and still have the audacity to call someone dumb.

 

[MMaRsu]

I may be wrong but I think big automobile company restrict games with excessive damage which might show their car in a negative light.

Thats been a fairy tale since Forza Motorsport 1 tho

 

[demigod]

Gonzito you seriously need to stop with this alpha male manly man stuff.
You slowly approach trying-to-hard territory.
There are more things to being manly than talking about gyms and how much more sex you have compared to your fellow poster on a gaming forum.

We get it. You are a manly man, you like women and only women and have lots of sex. You don't like being restricted by woke agenda when all you do is just look at beautiful women.

Can we get talking about our gaming hobby on Gaf again?

Dude is a cuck. He'll whine about the woke games and still end up playing it. Him and his fake boycotts.

 

[calico]

The western world is simply too polarized (or too far gone if you think that's appropriate) to naively rewind to whatever point in history is convenient to any individual's worldview.

I think in the long run, sex as a biological and evolutionary reality and the impracticality of such basic language use being dictated by the whim of the observee rather than by the observer/speaker will prove too powerful for social norms not to bend back towards acknowledging that reality.

Explicitly acknowledging male and female body types instead of dehumanized numbers makes sense. And for those inclined to change defaults, options make sense too.

The acceptance of selecting 'male' (however they choose to label to it) defaulting to 'he' (and vice versa) is a tacit rejection of the theory underpinning the ideology. I find it preferable (though still an irritant) in so far as it avoids me having to become an active participant in the charade, but I cannot imagine such a rejection of the underpinning theory would be acceptable to woke activists for long. The argument would be that it is not fair to treat one choice as normal and the other as abnormal.

It is not the job of a developer to dictate what is right for society. It's their job to make more people want to play their games, instead of fewer.

I agree with the sentiment, but I do not believe they have been acting that way and I do not believe for a second that these changes have resulted in making more people want to play their games. Nor do I believe that is the motivation. The industry -especially in the West- is overrun with and effectively policed by woke activists; the motivation is pushing woke ideology, even at the cost of fewer players.

complain about people having the temerity to exist

It's about people (and it's usually a third party) having the temerity to try and compel me to indulge these delusions and to accept the normalisation and enablement of those delusions within society. Playing along with it is the easy thing to do but it is not the right thing to do, and it is certainly not the kind thing to do for the (very tiny) number of people genuinely living with such delusions.

 

[The Cockatrice]

I have played them all. The showcases were based on reality, like racing a speeding train or airplane. Not a mech from a cartoon. May as well let me race around the world as Mario or Yoshi.

Yes, racing a fighter jet or being in a halo warthog is totally realistic. R u fking retarded?

 

[Bojji]

Sometimes, there's no point trying to debate something with someone who has such a piss poor grasp of the subject. It'd be like trying to debate with a table.

But I will add, that being a hateful idiot should get you insults. So the outcome is fine. People can better themselves with feedback. So, fingers crossed.

What subject? Most of the population don't give a shit if you are gay or trans and they won't bother you about it, fight for tolerance was won by LGB people a long time ago.

Now we see LGBT mafia forcing their twisted ideology in games/tv shows/movies (and other stuff), this is far beyond tolerance at this point (they also indoctrinate children) - and the end result is hate that they tried to eradicate few decades ago. Ass backwards logic by LGBT cult retards, but extreme left was always close to room temperature IQ levels so I'm not suprised.

 

[Sweetloaf]

I identify as a rotary engine.

Wankle

 

[Mr Reasonable]

It's about people (and it's usually a third party) having the temerity to try and compel me to indulge these delusions and to accept the normalisation and enablement of those delusions within society

Well the last time it got you triggered and crying hasn't changed anything, I guess we have to go for round 1000.

And as if you have to indulge anything at all, the game assumes most people are male using the he/him pronouns and gives those options first. Tap the A button twice and move on.

 

[duck_sauce]

What subject? Most of the population don't give a shit if you are gay or trans and they won't bother you about it, fight for tolerance was won by LGB people a long time ago.

Now we see LGBT mafia forcing their twisted ideology in games/tv shows/movies (and other stuff), this is far beyond tolerance at this point (they also indoctrinate children) - and the end result is hate that they tried to eradicate few decades ago. Ass backwards logic by LGBT cult retards, but extreme left was always close to room temperature IQ levels so I'm not suprised.

All extreme idiologies and agendas are. Left, right; doesn't matter.

 

[TheMan]

I really don't get the constant whining and crying about woke this and woke that

But after playing the game last night, I will concede that all the faces in the character creator are derpy as fuck.

 

[Bojji]

All extreme idiologies and agendas are. Left, right; doesn't matter.

And I agree with that, but not wanting this shit in games (and other forms of entertainment) doesn't make us extreme right (or even "moderate" right):

Limit it to levels seen in 2000-2015 and I'm ok with this.

 

[JayK47]

Yes, racing a fighter jet or being in a halo warthog is totally realistic. R u fking retarded?

Thank you for proving one of my earlier points. The series is getting more and more over the top. And now a mech. So clearly they are going further down the fantasy hole and not backing down. The best game of the series for me is the first game. Every time I play a sequel, I am hoping to capture that magic and the games just get further away from it. So yes, I am hugely retarded like the developers who made the game and have you race against mechs.

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

I can't believe that you guys have the energy to complain about people having the temerity to exist over and over and over again.

Isn't this whole thing generally about being a male or a female, not being a 3 with the voice of a 2 equaling a 1?

 

[The Cockatrice]

Thank you for proving one of my earlier points. The series is getting more and more over the top. And now a mech. So clearly they are going further down the fantasy hole and not backing down

God forbid they try something new instead of being just a generic racing game. If the lego dlc's many years ago was not a clear indication what Forza Horizon is all about, then you're an idiot, especially considering, it's only a few over the top races out of a million realistic ones you have in the game. If you're going to criticize a game, at least have some valid points. Having a mech in 10 minutes out of 100hours of game is the dumbest shit ever.

 

[poppabk]

Thats been a fairy tale since Forza Motorsport 1 tho

Of course it isn't. Give me a list of the games with best car destruction - now see how many of those games are using licensed vehicles - this isn't serendipity.

 

[Stuart360]

Thank you for proving one of my earlier points. The series is getting more and more over the top. And now a mech. So clearly they are going further down the fantasy hole and not backing down. The best game of the series for me is the first game. Every time I play a sequel, I am hoping to capture that magic and the games just get further away from it. So yes, I am hugely retarded like the developers who made the game and have you race against mechs.

Come on man, if Mechs actually existed, Top Gear certainly would of raced against one, they have for planes, trains, boats etc.
Its obviously a mech because its set in Japan. Its just a bit of fun.

 

[poppabk]

You were picking whether to play as a male or female character in the game. Everyone in the game would then modify their language use based on whether your character was male or female.

ie. it reflected exactly how our society and language functions. It did not seek to push the idea that sex is (actually) a matter of personal choice, or that how others use language should be determined by a delusion or choice of the observee instead of by reality as perceived by the observer.

Could we alter our society and language to bake this element of obliged dishonesty and enabling of mental illness into our every day social interactions? Sure. Should we? No.

The only thing I will sometimes give these character creators a degree of credit for is if they automatically default to the correct 'pronouns' based on whether you have picked a male or female 'body type'. I find this amusing as it tacitly acknowledges that it's normal to infer pronouns from the sex of the character, and abnormal to do otherwise.

So we should use she/her for Vince Neil? You are taking a pretty progressive stance that we should use the pronouns based on what someone looks like, rather than if they were born as a man or woman.

 

[nemiroff]

I really don't get the constant whining and crying about woke this and woke that

But after playing the game last night, I will concede that all the faces in the character creator are derpy as fuck.

The anti-woke epidemic is utterly fucking retarded. But I too agree with the character criticism.

I don't think it's anything nefarious or related to conspiracies. It's simply that FH3 massively expanded the world size, leading PG to switch from bespoke, hand-designed characters to a modular avatar system. I don't think they had much choice

Of course, if you're into conspiracies this won't help: FH1/FH2 character concept example:

And to be fair, even with a modular avatar system where character design is deprioritized, it wouldn't take much effort to do better, and that's where PG clearly fell short. Is it a big deal? No. Is it valid criticism? Yes. For FH6, PG likely "looked at" the series' sales figures and thought, "It works, let's keep it as it is," and that's probably all there is to it.