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Is Goku the most naive hero in anime?
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Trojita
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No he doesn't.
He literally just recently became Hokage at the end of the series. And boruto becomes jealous because naruto is busier than he used to be. So he does stuff to get Naruto's attention. Naruto understands this, so he helps boruto to desecrate his own face on mt hokage as a bonding moment
This is going to sound lame, but I'm at the ninja wars part of the story and haven't finished yet. These spoilers man
TalesOfFan
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Goku had no qualms about killing bad guys as a kid.
But superman at least detains the villains he beats or makes treaties.
I like how everyone else accepts the situation as normal with a 'Well, Goku will probably save the day anyway' while Future Trunks looks on in disbelief. The only person to vaguely worry about his prediction is the son of the idiot following him around.
Ha
Batman doesn't let his enemies get off free so they could come back with a higher "power-level" and have a good fight.
Not sure about the most naive, but he is incredibly naive and reckless. The fact that he would spare Frieza
after everything he did tells you all you need to know. Goku doesn't care about the greater good, he wants a challenging fair fight above all else. His sense of morality is ambiguous.
TWICE!!!
Tizoc
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Vash isn't naive he just wants people to get along, and just acts as an aloof idiot to help him resolve confrontations.
Yeah, he just doesn't bother killing them because it's not part of his code. These villains always break out of prison and then proceed to wreak havoc once again. The result is the same.
Batman has five children and would do anything to protect them.
Goku literally abandoned his family to travel the galaxy with a 10-year-old he barely knew.
He doesn't travel across the galaxy with ubb he just goes to his village, also he can go back to his family at anytime and is shown training ubb at goku house.
Yep. Luffy clowns around but he's never anybody's sucker for long or does incredibly questionable stuff. He's got a bullshit detector that's never failed yet and always ends up doing the 'right' thing.
He fucks around so much. I have no idea where you got this idea. He can and does kick ass, but he goofs off and does naive shit ALL THE TIME.
and I love it!
LMAO one of the YT comments:
"Piccolo "Hes a scared 11 year old boy!"
Goku"My son is 11?.......I HAVE A SON?!"
Coolio McAwesome
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A lot of the people that Goku let live became his allies and helped save the world on numerous occasions. It's not naivety. Goku saw things in people that no one else saw.
Much in the same way that Goku's grandfather took care of him and refused to give up on him even though he was violent and dangerous, Goku always saw the good in everyone.
Much in the same way that Goku's grandfather took care of him and refused to give up on him even though he was violent and dangerous, Goku always saw the good in everyone.
NHarmonic.
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Battle shounen has a clear, governing philosophy. Beneath the fighting is a clash of values. Your values are justified by your strength, and losers show penance for their weakness by adopting the worldview of the winners. At the same time, they're given the opportunity to draw strength from the same values which resulted in their defeat. This is why the losers will often join the winners, while the irredeemable are killed in earnest. Strength is transmuted to respect, and respect becomes an alliance.
I have no idea what Batman is doing.
I have no idea what Batman is doing.
How many dead kids/grandkids does Goku have?
Damian and Jason died. Plus Bruce dropkicked Dick out till he barely found his footing in Bludhaven.
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JeremyEtcetera
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This is going to sound lame, but I'm at the ninja wars part of the story and haven't finished yet. These spoilers man
Knowing that they were spoilers for Boruto and you still highlighted over them, I have to ask, at the point you're at in the anime did you really expect an entirely different outcome for that character going by what's been happening in the recent episode(s)?
CassidyIzABeast
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Goku is a shit tier character.
RobbieNick
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Luffy's only dumb and naive when it comes to less serious and more comical situations. When shit hits the fan, he leads with his heart and that's when his crew follows him (otherwise, they mostly beat him up for acting stupid). However, he's self-aware of that and it'as part of the reason he loves his friends so much. He knows there are many things he can't do and needs his friends for which is why he'll protect them with his life.
Goku's a lousy father who never spends time with his son and would rather train with his former arch-nemesis. Meanwhile, his other former arch-nemesis ends up being a better father to Gohan than Goku ever was.
When "Satan" is there for your kids more than you are, you KNOW you're a bad dad.
Goku's a lousy father who never spends time with his son and would rather train with his former arch-nemesis. Meanwhile, his other former arch-nemesis ends up being a better father to Gohan than Goku ever was.
When "Satan" is there for your kids more than you are, you KNOW you're a bad dad.
PHOENIXZERO
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Superman isn't above killing when necessary though.
Superman is more Moses than Jesus, or at least he was.
Freeza Under The Shower
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you could also argue that was
Freeza
Wait, what? Cell and Buu sagas are Goku at his worst.
He severely damages Cell, then sends his preteen son out to fight him (while keeping his plan a secret from everyone, including his son) while the son was literally quivering with fear.... and then he gives Cell a senzu bean.
In the Buu saga he holds back in his fight against Vegeta, drawing the fight out and allowing them both to get damaged more, despite knowing that it would help revive Buu. He holds back against Majin Buu to give Gotenks a shot (while depleting his remaining allotted time on Earth). He convinces Buu to not keep Babidi around despite knowing that Babidi was the key to sealing Buu (Though it's implied Buu would eventually consider getting rid of Babidi on his own). And against Kid Buu, he holds back because he wants Vegeta to have a turn (even though both Goku and Vegeta already know that Vegeta is no match for Buu), which drains his stamina and forces Vegeta to come up with a plan to beat Buu with the Spirit Bomb. He saves Satan and Dende over Gohan, Piccolo, goten, and trunks, even though Gotenks and Gohan were stronger than Goku and had better shots at beating Buu.
He is a fucking idiot.
Does a zenkai boost happen when you actually die and then have your heart restarted by daddy piccolo and his ki defibrillator?
Luffy is more of a lovable idiot than he is naive. He holds no punches when it's time to fight.
...Can't wait for the abridged series to get to this part.
...Can't wait for the abridged series to get to this part.
Well if you analyze it in-depth at this way with ignoring suspension disbelief to fiction logic its does sound idiotic, but that not the point.
Putting Gohan and Gotenks in heavy training (and they does outclass their opponent), try to seek fusion partner and willingly back out for preparing spirit bomb against Buu is some proof of sensibility. Adult Goku certainly not characterized as bull-see-red warrior anymore.
Does that's the entire point of this thread, we guessing Goku's ability to put two thing together? Not analyzing battle shounen plot point logic
fivepersondude
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His only problem is that(at least currently) it seems like Oda prefers Zoro over Luffy. I wanna see Zoro break a sweat at some point.
Nah it's more like sanji hasn't had any luck post time skip like luffy and zoro. Zoro certainly struggled against fujitora.
fivepersondude
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True. I forgot about got-wrecked-by Doflamingo-stuck-on-boat-Sanji. I hated that, Sanji being my favorite of the Strawha.... This is wildly off topic, I'm out.
Valdfellgar
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I think it depends on which DBZ you watch. I've noticed the dub tends to reword much of Goku's dialogue to paint him as more of a hero than he is in the Japanese version. Japanese Goku tends to primarily care about fights and his own lust for battle. Sure he does good things, and doesn't like good people dying, but unlike the English dub the fighting tends to be first and foremost on all decision making. It's one of the reasons I prefer the sub, he's less of a hero and I prefer that version.
EroticSushi
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Reminds me of Batman although the reasoning behind not finishing off their villians is different. If Batman would just kill the Joker, Two Face, etc instead of locking them up, it would prevent the inevitable return of said villians.
The Artisan
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dub messes up a lot of things. in broly's first movie, there was a dub line with broly saying "getting stronger, yes, much stronger" but he was actually saying "ki rising...overflowing"
what's there to honor about in a fight with a superpowered maniac mass murderer? goku gave him the senzu bean so that he could watch his son fight him in an even battle.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Cementing Piccolo's status as GOAT DBZ character.
Gon is very similar to Goku. He's naive, reckless, and also possesses an ambiguous sense morality, but Gon is not nearly as forgiving as Goku. When shit gets personal with Gon, he will fucking crush you with no remorse. You're right, it's not close. Gon also isn't nearly as stupid either lol.
Trojita
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I spoilered them for others, the poster didn't.
I haven't kept abreast of what is happening in the anime (I'm reading the manga) so your question isn't valid at all.
The old dub anyways. Any modern English dub is more accurate to the Japanese script. Goku in the Kai dub is 100% about that lust for battle.
This one is somewhat bullshit. Vash knows the probable consequences of his actions, or lack thereof, he just keeps on trying to be optimistic about it. Yeah it's naive but it comes from a place of consideration and of sticking to his personal code of morals. Other characters, Goku included, it comes from a variety of sources but mostly because they're just idiots.
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