Did you guys honestly not read the entirety of my post? But yeah it's like speaking to a wall with you man, considering the effort you been putting into this thread.
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Is it just me or does there seem to be very little hype for Smash Bros. 4?
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Did you guys honestly not read the entirety of my post? But yeah it's like speaking to a wall with you man, considering the effort you been putting into this thread.
But Lucario's already in the game.
theprodigy
Member
really, it's much easier to admit you screwed up with that post than to keep doubling down on it
Dude. Your original reply to coolwhip was "wii and wiiu hasnt damaged anything" and then in your VERY NEXT POST you say "well people were complaining about nintendo abandoning the hardcore before wiiu" which means
1. you are admitting that nintendo has damaged relations with a section of its audience and
2. at least some of that occurred with the wii as "before the wiiu" is inclusive of that.
You can't just disagree with someone and then sorta kinda make the same exact point one post later as a defense of your original position.
Aquamarine
Member
Relatively barebones, like Mario Kart 7 or Mario Tennis Open.
You know, when the game is whittled down to its "core experience" and the superfluous elements are discarded (like Mario Tennis's RPG mode from Mario Tennis Open / Mario Kart's mission mode from Mario Kart 7) . We know that a story mode ala. Subspace Emissary is not returning, so that's one area they're trimming the fat.
What else isn't returning? Are we not getting a stage builder as well? Is the roster only going to increase by like 10 characters? Are we going to have an over-abundance of boring, flat stages with one / no platforms? Are there not going to be many gameplay mode innovations?
That kind of thing is what I'm worried about.
I'm not even sure what Oreoleo's point is, unless we want to pretend like the Wii was the beginning of the "hardcore" flocking away from Nintendo. Hence why I said what I said about the Wii and Wii u.
But go ahead and ignore the other points and continue to post one liners.
I hate to be the guy just repeating what everyone else has been saying but I totally agree with this. Rather than having pictures of how explaining how Sakurai "feels" or how a screenshot is "funny" we should be getting stuff like we did in Dojo.
You want a character, some of his moves, and unique abilities?
Let's post a whole section for that.
You want to know about mechanics for the game?
Let's explain in detail the mechanics and why we put them in there.
You want to know about stages,music and trophies?
Here's how they're in the game and some background on why we did what we did.
If I were to go to the new SSB page and look at their "screenshot" there is no direct way I could get information without visiting Miiverse, and I'd just think they're random pictures, (which they mainly are,) and immediately dismiss them. Also, the fact that these are "daily" really take out the hype rather than longer segments that are more spaced out.
theprodigy
Member
The contradictions in your own arguments are so astounding that I'm surprised you're still going with this.
Fortunately Oreoleo already summarized it for me, so why don't you read his post.
basically you just completely reversed your opinion one post after answering Coolwhip
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Alright, I definitely misunderstood you there, so I agreed with you there. I can't blame you there since I'm definitely hyped about the game but it don't meant that I would rear my head without thinking of what would happens. Let say that I decided to set the expectation bar to lowest as possible so that way i wouldn't be disappointed by the games.
I admitted that I'm playing competitively sometime but that don't meant that I can't enjoy casual aspect of the games like item battles, etc. 'm concerned that they might not add some kind of goofy stages for Wii U since I suspected that Sakurai might split the bases into two different systems from what I see in Stages. It seem that 3DS are getting casual, goofy stages, and Wii U stages seem to be for hardcore players. Sakurai, just prove me wrong. I can play completive and casual at same time depend on friends and mood.
Last thing I want to ask for SSB4. Please remove the limitation of poke balls, and allowed it to spawn many as possible just like Melee.
Yeah, thanks for resorting to flinging shit. Calling me mitt Romney now in within email tags, brilliant.
I think that's my cue to stop wasting my time with you.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
It's because of Nintendo's recent output history, just more of the same... i am bored way beyond bored.
Well Krystal is meh at best so I think most are glad she didn't get added!
You're free to disagree though and if I was a fan of the character I'd share in your dissapointment.
Given this post and the previous one, I'm not sure you appreciate how much effort goes into making fighting games characters and balancing them. "Oh only 10-13 new characters, those lazy bums!" is a pretty disingenuous and unfair statement/sentiment especially since Brawl cast + 10 characters is nearly FIFTY characters. As for other content, general consensus was that Subspace Emissary SUCKED and most are glad its gone. However, Sakurai games have never been ones to skimp on features or content. We don't know a ton yet, which tempers hype, but I see no reason to expect a "barebones" game given the director's history and the development resources.
Catch 22, they are fucked either way. Brawl caused deflated hype in the series so they will have to combat that no matter what. They release small amounts of info, people get tired of waiting for rain and go to other locations (systems/games). Nintendo is being too secretive with their shit and when they go "SURPRISE! IT'S FUCKING MARIO!" people will yawn.
In short, more Developer Directs would be wonderful, but Sakurai is probably too busy.
Aquamarine
Member
Well Krystal is meh at best so I think most are glad she didn't get added!That being said I understand your disappointment regarding gender representation and given what's been revealed and outright stated, it already seems Sakurai is making a concerted effort to address that point so SSB4 should be better in that regardYou're free to disagree though and if I was a fan of the character I'd share in your dissapointment.
Given this post and the previous one, I'm not sure you appreciate how much effort goes into making fighting games characters and balancing them. "Oh only 10-13 new characters, those lazy bums!" is a pretty disingenuous and unfair statement/sentiment especially since Brawl cast + 10 characters is nearly FIFTY characters. As for other content, general consensus was that Subspace Emissary SUCKED and most are glad its gone. However, Sakurai games have never been ones to skimp on features or content. We don't know a ton yet, which tempers hype, but I see no reason to expect a "barebones" game given the director's history and the development resources.
Oh I don't, most certainly. I'm not a hardcore SSB player and I don't really care about the competitive scene.
I would like SSB to be a celebration of Nintendo's franchises and I would rather see more characters and more zaniess instead of limiting the roster numbers down to a small number of characters (the same ol' same ol') because of competitive balancing reasons.
But that would stem from my personal philosophies and I understand this opinion is radical and certainly not the ideal for many players who truly care about the competitive scene of Smash.
My "barebones" idea stems from the fact that Nintendo has been incorporating this into some of their recent releases. Again, games like Mario Kart 7, Mario Tennis Open, New Super Mario Bros. 2...just felt a bit lacking in terms of what they provided. It seems like in some cases Nintendo has been prioritizing "the essence" of the IP instead of filling it to the brim with new features that expand the IP and delight.
But you're right...Sakurai is a great director and Kid Icarus: Uprising went contrary to this trend, so I do believe he can make Smash Bros. 4 very unique. I'm just worried, that's all.
theprodigy
Member
wait a minute
....you thought Brawl lacked content?
huh I thought that was one of the things it did well
Aquamarine
Member
No no...SSB = Super Smash Bros. I didn't say anything about Brawl.
TheRedSnifit
Member
I highly doubt that anybody outside of the competitive scene cares about the difference between Brawl and Melee at all.
This reminds me of when people said TF2 would bomb because TFC killed the franchise by making bunny-hopping less effective or some shit. Never trust a comp player's sales predictions.
Davey Cakes
Member
The kind of info we're getting now is neat, but not exciting in the way that makes people go into hype mode.
More gameplay will need to be shown. More details of the games modes and mechanics will need to be revealed.
Plus, a solid release date would help.
More gameplay will need to be shown. More details of the games modes and mechanics will need to be revealed.
Plus, a solid release date would help.
theprodigy
Member
Well, earlier you said Brawl was underwhelming because of the lack of surprises, and that there were only(?) 13 characters added was disappointing.
I thought most of Brawl's content, in terms of stages/trophies/whatever was fine (occasional terrible remix and bringing back Pokemon Stadium but not Pokefloats aside), too bad the gameplay wasn't up to par though.....
This is definitely false, you don't need to know the difference, you just need to feel the difference.
Also, spoilers: SSB4 will bomb by default due to the Wii U, book it.
edit: hold up, that's a bullshit comparison
bunny-hopping or whatever is essentially the equivalent of Halo 2's BxB/BxR combos, not Brawl's changes
I guess the Melee equivalent is L-Canceling
Aquamarine
Member
The content was fine...I didn't like the fact there were only 13 new characters. And it was underwhelming because we got all of the surprises to begin with.
Freezie KO
Banned
I certainly agree with you regarding NSMB2. That's about as vanilla as you can get.
But I'm surprised you feel this way about Mario Kart 7. That game added underwater segments and gliders. The Retro Cup was refitted with segments of both. MK7 added kart customization. It brought back coins. The online was pretty solid with communities. Mechanically, I thought it did significantly more than the entries on Wii and DS, even if it didn't add extra modes.
I think it's partly mired by how relatively poorly it's going to do due to being on Wii U. And I think while people are excited about Smash 3DS, I think the general perception is the 'big show' is supposed to be on consoles. So it's probably deflated hype due to it being on Wii U.
Because no Nintendo fans, Smash Bros. is not going to save Wii U or greatly increase its sales. It'll probably be the lowest selling console Smash game by a long shot.
Because no Nintendo fans, Smash Bros. is not going to save Wii U or greatly increase its sales. It'll probably be the lowest selling console Smash game by a long shot.
BlazeBreak
Member
At this point, it just feels like "Hey, it's Smash Bros". Which is in many ways good, but just doesn't feel like it's generating much excitement.
And at least to me, the 3DS version is only serving as a detraction from the hype. It seems like there's no benefit to its existence with no crossplay or the like. Meanwhile, the mentioned stage count and character parity sound like they're only gimping the console version and implying that they'll be less stages, less new characters, and less returning characters than there would be if the 3DS version doesn't exist.
I also say this as a 3DS owner who doesn't even yet own a WiiU.
And at least to me, the 3DS version is only serving as a detraction from the hype. It seems like there's no benefit to its existence with no crossplay or the like. Meanwhile, the mentioned stage count and character parity sound like they're only gimping the console version and implying that they'll be less stages, less new characters, and less returning characters than there would be if the 3DS version doesn't exist.
I also say this as a 3DS owner who doesn't even yet own a WiiU.
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
It hard to get excited for a game where the roster selection is so predictable and boring. I also feel like I've seen it all when it comes to smash at this point.
TheRedSnifit
Member
That's a different issue entirely from the one I'm addressing.
I wasn't making a comparison between the mechanics, but how a vocal minority of comp players responded to them changing and becoming more "casual".
Senor Kami
Banned
It's a fine comparison. Ghost was one of the best selling titles the year it came out and is on pace to be one of the best selling titles of 2014 as well. People were saying there was no hype for it on GAF, therefore there's no hype for it anywhere and the game is in trouble. Lack of Gaf hype and it being in Gaf trouble resulted in blockbuster sales so I'm saying that train of thought is wonky. That is the comparison I was making. That seems to be little hype on Gaf has almost no bearing on actual hype in the wider gaming world.