TheGreatDave
Banned
God I hate that guy.
DarkJediKnight said:The thing is, I'm about to give up on this. It's just not fun. I can't even beat the first fucking song. Mind you, I've only had this game for about 2 weeks, playing it back and forth between DMC4. But as an experienced guitar player, this game should not be so difficult. I'm sure there are 9 year old kids who cleared Hard mode with little problem, but the dedication necessary seems way over the top, to the point where you have to memorize everything and every section. NOT FUN!
Eg. the "One" solo is ridiculously simple to play on guitar (well it is to me), and even on medium, it took me many tries to get 95% on that section. :lol
Coin Return said:Hammer ons are the only way to get through Hard or Expert. The note patterns are such that it'd be neigh impossible to strum every note. You've only got to strum once, and the rest is up to your left hand. It makes things easier by allowing you to concentrate on just the chart intself, instead of the constant thought of "I've got to strum!".
My Name is Jonas is a great song to practice this technique, and shows how different the game can feel from Easy/Medium.
TheGreatDave said:I'm mixed on the Score Hero thing. On the one hand, I do think Neversoft's charts are far and away the best, most authentic guitar charts I've played, and I say that aware of the irony of including "authentic". But then you have TTFATF, Take This Life, shit I just don't enjoy playing in the least.
I hadn't heard of this guy's reviews before today, but they've been linked twice so far. What's the deal with him talking so fast? Half the jokes are bad -- just edit them out and there would be no need to speed through the review.XiaNaphryz said:Weren't all these points brought up in the Zero Punctuation review of GHIII?
TwinIonEngines said:I actually kind of like TTFATF, though I'm not even close to beating it on hard yet. People keep trying to beat me at it on medium online and losing. Take This Life is just awful for every reason. Of course, you like Impulse, which I'll agree has a good notechart - but god if it wasn't a song it would be a turd. I hate hearing it.
Incidentally, this is kind of really off topic, but I really don't want to make a thread for it yet still would like to solicit a range of opinions: I sometimes literally get sexually aroused while playing Guitar Hero. Has this happened to anyone else?
border said:I hadn't heard of this guy's reviews before today, but they've been linked twice so far. What's the deal with him talking so fast? Half the jokes are bad -- just edit them out and there would be no need to speed through the review.
Danne-Danger said:Practice mode -> slow it down -> get used to orange -> speed it up -> speed it up again = profit.
my point was that GH3 and RB can coexist and that they're both fun on their own right. tsk tsk.TheGreatDave said:Tricked people in to thinking that boring guitar tracks and simple charts make games more fun, I imagine.
Impulse is the only bonus song I enjoy playing, and I'm actually good at it on expert too.TheGreatDave said:I love Impulse. I could happily listen to it as a song. Aside from that, it has a notechart that really is equal to the best any company has ever made. It really works on every level for me, nothing in it is unfun.
bune duggy said:my point was that GH3 and RB can coexist and that they're both fun on their own right. tsk tsk.Impulse is the only bonus song I enjoy playing, and I'm actually good at it on expert too.
bune duggy said:my point was that GH3 and RB can coexist and that they're both fun on their own right. tsk tsk.Impulse is the only bonus song I enjoy playing, and I'm actually good at it on expert too.
nny said:GH3 expert is ridiculous. I kinda understand the need to sate their "hardcorest" following who demand a bigger challenge with each release, but to me is just too hard, it isn't even fun. When I play random songs on GH3 I always play on hard, expert is out of the question. For comparison's sake, I play GH1 always on expert, it's challenging AND fun.
When the game expects me to practice a song in slow motion in order to beat it, well...we're just in different wavelengths. That's so not what I want from this game.
nny said:GH3 expert is ridiculous. I kinda understand the need to sate their "hardcorest" following who demand a bigger challenge with each release, but to me is just too hard, it isn't even fun. When I play random songs on GH3 I always play on hard, expert is out of the question. For comparison's sake, I play GH1 always on expert, it's challenging AND fun.
When the game expects me to practice a song in slow motion in order to beat it, well...we're just in different wavelengths. That's so not what I want from this game.
When the game expects me to practice a song in slow motion in order to beat it, well...we're just in different wavelengths. That's so not what I want from this game.
TheGreatDave said:, and the greatest song ever made downloadable for a game with a guitar in it;Ernten Was Wir Säen
Coin Return said:So Payaso is better.
If you can complete the Dragonforce song on Expert -- heck, on HARD -- then you are in the upper echelon of GH players, period. Again, with all due respect, this discussion isn't really for you since I think it will be hard for you to comprehend how everyone else struggles with the game.Johnkers said:I've said it a million times before but I think GH3 is not only easier, but significantly easier then GH2 (don't have Gh1 to compare) on expert. I've seen this to be the case for people who could play GH2 on expert but also people who started on GH3 and went back.
But hey, that's just my thoughts
Edit: as for this in particular
I don't want to sound arrogant or anything, but I never had to touch practice mode (until I got to Dragonforce which is still one of my favourite songs to play on pro-face off). I find it kind of hard to believe that the jump between GH1 expert and GH3 expert is so much that you can't even pass the GH3 songs.
How does GH1 compare to GH2 in difficulty
TheGreatDave said:Expert really isn't all that different from Hard, all you need to do is get good at three note chords and understand hammer ons. Most the charts are basically unchanged. I see Normal > Hard as a much bigger leap than Hard > Expert.
Johnkers said:I've said it a million times before but I think GH3 is not only easier, but significantly easier then GH2 (don't have Gh1 to compare) on expert. I've seen this to be the case for people who could play GH2 on expert but also people who started on GH3 and went back.
I don't want to sound arrogant or anything, but I never had to touch practice mode (until I got to Dragonforce which is still one of my favourite songs to play on pro-face off). I find it kind of hard to believe that the jump between GH1 expert and GH3 expert is so much that you can't even pass the GH3 songs.
How does GH1 compare to GH2 in difficulty
Bah, TTFaF isn't that tough on Hard. If you can get to the last tier in Hard, you should be able to pass it.-jinx- said:If you can complete the Dragonforce song on Expert -- heck, on HARD -- then you are in the upper echelon of GH players, period.
domokunrox said:Edit: For the record, GH3 was the first GH game that I have owned and I hardly had any chance to play previous installments of the game.
In my opinion, from the mouth of a 12 years experienced guitarist, I found Guitar Hero 3 to be somewhat frustrating when I had to attempt playing "Rock and roll all nite" on expert about 15-20 times before I passed it. I also had a problem with "Welcome to the jungle" which I played about 15-20 times as well.
In my experience with GH3, I only really enjoying play these particular songs on expert:
Knights of Cydonia
3s and 7s
Before I forget
The Metal
Reign in blood
School's Out
Impulse by Endless Sporadic
My Curse by Killswitch engage
Songs that I never finished on expert due to lack of interest of perfecting them because I don't have the time and/or patience + the fact that they don't translate at all to any sort of realistic guitar playing skill:
Raining Blood (by Slayer)
Cliffs of Dover (as made famous by Eric Johnson)
Number of the Beast (by Iron Maiden)
In particular, the hold one, skip one, hold two chords were fine. It was the hold two, skip one, hold one and the shifting between these two in ridiculous patterns that made expert frustrating for me. The other thing that was frustrating was the palm muting being interpreted with the green button which makes no sense at all. If anything they should have included a feature to the guitar to count palm mutes via sensor on the right side of the strum bar (implying that you rest the right side of your palm there to do such palm muting notes). I mean wanting to put those face melting riffs after all those chugga chugga sounds we seem to like is fine and all, but there has to be a line where it has to make sense to play, you get me? I don't like jacking the guitar off, I don't know anyone who gets pleasure in it, either.
However, I will say this.
I sold my copy of Guitar Hero 3 and Purchased Rock Band and I very much enjoy it.
Green grass and High tides is certainly an excellent song that I have fun playing guitar even if I don't nail the most repetitious parts in the 2nd solo in the latter half (which kills me off). I certainly find the little frets down on the bottom to be fun to use. If I had the patience (and I think this is what was implied by the game creators to do to nail this solo), I would learn to use BOTH sets of frets to nail the solo. This is also implied for the Metallica songs as well on the solos.
As far as Rock band, the guitar playing there translates well and I find it enjoyable rather then frustrating on expert. However, I find the Rock band guitar to be of poor quality, and I see myself buying one as I find myself sending it back to EA in what seems to be a 4 week lifespan with heavy playing.
In terms of difficulty, most Rock band songs outside of the top tier setlist on expert are very comparable to playing GH3 songs somewhere between normal and hard.
I hope my essay here helps someone decide between the two. My opinion, I'd stick with Rock band because even your non gamer friends can play it with you instead of you being the loser that seems like you play the game all day (which I come off to some people, anyway. Despite being a musician of sorts since as long as I can remember).
-jinx- said:If you can complete the Dragonforce song on Expert -- heck, on HARD -- then you are in the upper echelon of GH players, period. Again, with all due respect, this discussion isn't really for you since I think it will be hard for you to comprehend how everyone else struggles with the game.
I'm an above-average player -- I am way better than my friends who play every once in a while (who are a mix of Easy and Medium), but nowhere near as good as most hardcore GH players. In my opinion, each game has gotten progressively harder. My guess is that my level of skill is exactly where SickBoy is -- until GH3, I would have described myself as generally able to beat any song on Hard, and all but the most difficult songs on Expert. However, there are a couple of songs in GH3 that I cannot beat on Hard, and way more songs are impossible for me on Expert compared to the earlier games. So, based on that, and the relative percentages of songs that I can five-star, the difficulty seems to go GH3 > GH2 > GH1.
El_Victor said:What? You enjoy playing Raining Blood but you have never finished it?
Yes, the loose timing on GH3 makes it harder to go back in the sequence.Johnkers said:Yeah that's what I was after. It makes sense. I think my finding GH2 harder then GH3 might be because I'm already super comfortable with button positions, all 5 buttons, the speed, hammer-ons etc. but playing GH3 has just made me loose with timing which doesn't translate well back to the old games.
Johnkers said:Yeah that's what I was after. It makes sense. I think my finding GH2 harder then GH3 might be because I'm already super comfortable with button positions, all 5 buttons, the speed, hammer-ons etc. but playing GH3 has just made me loose with timing which doesn't translate well back to the old games.
TimeKillr said:Also DO NOT GET USED TO THE HAMMERONS/PULL OFFS in GH3. This is a HUGE problem - I have a co-worker who is very good at GH/RB - in GH he's a bit further than I am on Expert, but in RB he can't do HOPOS anymore because he's too used to the crazy window in GH3.
Basically, if you're not aware - GH3's HOPOS are screwed. In GH2 (and RB), you have a small window of opportunity to hit the note, just like you would with a normal note. But in GH3, the window is just.. gone. As long as the button is held down when the note comes up, it'll play. It makes solos on hard and expert so FREAKING easy - you never have to worry about your timing. Most of the expert songs that are hard in RB I would easily, EASILY 5-star in GH3 based purely on this.
TheGreatDave said:They're not "screwed". They work well in the game because the charts are different. You have things now where you'll hold a chord, and lift one finger off without strumming and then put the finger down again and strum, if you did that any other way the whole thing would be awkward. Look at the verses in Peace of Mind for example. They are very different, but I think the fact you can't be late with a hammer on, only early, kinda stops it from being too much of a bail out condition. Personally, I know I prefer playing GH:3 than GH:2, purely because of the less strict timing.
TheGreatDave said:I'm mixed on the Score Hero thing. On the one hand, I do think Neversoft's charts are far and away the best, most authentic guitar charts I've played, and I say that aware of the irony of including "authentic". But then you have TTFATF, Take This Life, shit I just don't enjoy playing in the least.
domokunrox said:The other thing that was frustrating was the palm muting being interpreted with the green button which makes no sense at all.
AlexMogil said:Ring finger. I cannot hit Blue + Red by lifting the ring finger. If I can't do that on medium, how can I hope to survive on hard?
"Slide your hand down," I hear you say, but what of Orange + Yellow? WHAT OF ORANGE AND YELLOW?
mysticstylez said:I know GH3's Guitar doesn't work with RB on PS3, but does RB's Guitar work with GH3?
BSS said:TTFAF on the other hand, I resent simply because the tapped intro is not even a guitar part (also the only song I can't clear on expert).
domokunrox said:Hammer on and pull offs are the only thing that made this game fun for me.
Fun fact:
When Dragon force recorded their songs they did so by running the 24 trk tape machine at 7.5 ips when tracking guitar. Everything else however, was recorded, played back, mixed, and mastered at 15 ips.
Don't be fooled by the fact that they can somewhat play their songs live.