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Is it wrong to note 100m winners are always black?

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Tristam said:
MR. SERIOUS BUSINESS indeed.

The last inflammatory thread about 'race' that I remember was about a 'study' done 'proving' that black women are less physically attractive than all other women because they have more testosterone. The study, of course, turned about to be utter horseshit, not only because the dumbshit evo. psychologist used subjective measuring of 'beauty', but also because one of the main assumptions--that black women have higher levels of testosterone than other women--was completely false.

Enter GAF. The study's conclusions aren't challenged. Nobody thinks to question that black women have higher testosterone levels than other women because hey, they get in a lot of fights at various fast food outlets so God knows it must be true. The vast majority of the replies were, "Well, now I have science validating my penis's preferences! SCIENCE!" A large percent of the remainder were pictures of beautiful black women followed by the dumbest of retorts: "Why are you guys posting pictures of women who are only 98% black to show that black women can be beautiful?"

So excuse me while I remain aloof from a 'race' topic that's off to yet another inauspicious start: 'it's true!', 'fast-twitch muscle fibers', 'extra femur length', 'guys let's not be PC...we need to accept that there can be physical variations between races...and mental ones as well'.
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Didn't like the harsh slave treatments over hundred of years eliminate the weaker people. Thus why there stronger, faster and athletic at sports than other races.
 
Why is it that people always use the "slavery bred for strength" defense like black people only exist in the US? What about Africa? Or the fact that other races were slaves at certain points in history as well?
 
"But that's not all. The researchers also found that although high-quality "white" candidates were preferred to low-quality "white" candidates, the relative quality of "black" CVs made no difference whatsoever. It was as if employers saw three categories - high-quality white, low-quality white and black candidates. To put it another way, the subliminal assumption that causes us to think that black people are all the same has powerful real-world consequences. For many economists, this assumption, which gets under the radar of our conscious thought, explains why black people still lag behind white people in economic development more than four decades after the introduction of race-relations legislation.

Recognising that we have these biases is a good place to start in trying to combat them."
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So, did anyone read this part?
 
Always-honest said:
Yes it is wrong. Cause when you mention something about a black person or when you post a picture of a black person, that's racist.



Here we go. You can't say any goddamn thing because you will ALWAYS, ALWAYS , ALWAYS offend some over sensitive silly person.
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You sure about that homie? Sounds like you have some kind of issue. Who does all this accusing you speak of?

You sound like one of those guys that are mad they can't say 'N' like black folk can.
 
Draft said:
I don't think you're understanding me. It's not about natural talent carrying someone, as if they don't need to work at all and just succeed by virtue of good genes. It's the reality that in athletics (and probably other shit, too, but I'm only concerned with athletics) the elite enjoy an advantage over the rest of the population. For every 10,000 kids that works their ass off and trains like mad and dreams of being in the NBA or the NFL, how many get in? Maybe a couple. Is it because they trained harder? Because they wanted it more? Or maybe because they were born with a rare gift that elevates them above the maximum potential of most people.

What's the ultimate conclusion of your theory? Everyone's equal? The only thing separating great people from average people is hard work, dedication and a will to succeed? That's fucking madness, bro :lol That is some serious after school special shit. Tell that to the 9,999 NFL hopefuls who go on to sell used cars or work the graveyard shift at Walmart. If only they'd tried a little harder. If only they'd wanted it a bit more.

Or, maybe tell that to a fat, lazy piece of shit, like Albert Hayneseworth, who barely practices, spends his free time getting drunk and harassing waitresses, and is was one of the most dominant tackles to play the game. How does the practice, practice, practice theory explain his success?
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I never said that there weren't natural advantages, nor did I say everyone is equal. Physics still exists.

I just believe that you are really, really downplaying the effort that these people are putting into their crafts.

The idea is is that these supposed "superior humans" are generally not that different from the normal folk.

Let's take Ted Williams.

In the public imagination, Williams was almost a god among men, a “superhuman” endowed with a collection of innate physical gifts, including spectacular eye-hand coordination, exquisite muscular grace, and uncanny instincts. “Ted just had that natural ability,” said Hall of Fame second baseman Bobby Doerr. “He was so far ahead of everybody in that era.” Among other traits, Williams was said to have laser-like eyesight, which enabled him to read the spin of a ball as it left the pitcher’s fingers and to gauge exactly where it would pass over the plate. “Ted Williams sees more of the ball than any man alive,” Ty Cobb once remarked.
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And yet when Ted got drafted into the Navy.

[In]1942, Ted Williams enlisted in the navy as an aviator. Tests revealed his vision to be excellent, but well within ordinary human range.
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Dude hit a lot of baseballs.

Now, with your 10,000 hopefuls example, of course there is going to be some luck involved too. Perhaps one very skilled player doesn't get in because of a bad performance that one time. Perhaps one person had access to better training because the coach believed in them for whatever reason.

There are still a lot of factors going on.

I won't deny that.

But what you're saying is all those 10,000 hopefuls put in the same amount of exact same type of training. That seems equally as mad to me.

I don't know what are the requirements to be a good tackle, but looking up Albert Haynesworth, wikipedia says he played football, track, and shot-put. I'm going to guess he wasn't drinking and ass-grabbing all that much in high school and instead was putting time into those sports. I could be wrong, he could be a complete outlier. But if he wasn't practicing, would he have been on those teams?

“Early pilot training was built on the bedrock belief that good pilots are born, not made [this led to a lot of deaths before a guy named Edwin Link came along with a toy-like pilot training device -- a primitive flight simulator, if you will]…Edwin Link’s trainer worked…well for the same reason [cloze deletions do]…Air Corps pilots who trained in Links were no braver or smarter than the ones who crashed. They simply had the opportunity to practice more deeply.”
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Albert Haynesworth has never been as dominant or great as his reputation and paycheck would suggest either.

You could say his talent and potential has allowed him to get the huge paycheck and stay in the league even though he's a lazy bum, but he is clearly not a dominant player. He had two decent marginal all pro years in Tennessee, but aside from that, he has averaged 2.5 sacks and 25 tackles per year for his career. Granted stats for a DT are hard to judge, but IMO Haynesworth is just another example of Washington making absolutely terrible decisions about giving money to players who don't deserve it. Not a great example of a player being dominant just based on genetics without hard work. Especially given that a DT's main responsibility in most systems is just being big and hard to move.
 
doomed1 said:
First of all, if Bird obsessed over dunking (which wasn't really nearly as big in his time) I'm sure he could have pulled off a 180 dunk if he really wanted to. Instead, he decided to just play the damned game, you know, like a good player.

Second of all, you choose a Charlie Sheen movie to represent awesome white people? CHARLIE "I GOT TIGER BLOOD WINNING" SHEEN? Much less an awful 80s B film? u mad bro.
Cuba Gooding Jr.

The best example is: White people can DRINK. I have yet to meet any black person who can hold his liquor as well as my bros of European descent. And I'm not talking about some shit like PBR or Corona or anything else for pussies who like the taste of piss, I'm talking about REAL MAN BEER like Russian Imperial Stouts, Belgian darks, real German Pilsner, and the occasional IPA. Also, straight shots of Jaggermeister, military grade Vodka (Kalashnikov is very good, yes?), fine scotch on the rocks, and the occasional Frangelico neat whilst enjoying classical music or jazz. Consuming poison in large amounts and walking away scott-free, that's what white people are good at. :D
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You're acting like dunking isn't a legitimate move that has tactical advantage in the sport. False. Bird knew he couldn't jump, so he focused on other areas. That's fair enough! He was great.

Second, you better not be putting down Sheen's performance in the seminal paranormal classic hit, The Wraith. I know you're not trying to do that right now. Good god.
 
Timedog said:
You're acting like dunking isn't a legitimate move that has tactical advantage in the sport. False. Bird knew he couldn't jump, so he focused on other areas. That's fair enough! He was great.

Second, you better not be putting down Sheen's performance in the seminal paranormal classic hit, The Wraith. I know you're not trying to do that right now. Good god.
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It does, but so are 3 point shots. You also act like there are no white players in the NBA who dunk. There just wasn't nearly as much dunking, much less fancy dunking in Bird's time. But just to satisfy your curiosity, yes, Larry Bird can dunk.

And I'm not putting down Charlie Sheen's performance so much as the movie The Wraith. Seriously, calling that inane POS "seminal" is like calling Snakes on a Plane worthy of Hitchcock.

Chinner said:
i dont know about running, but white people are really good at wars, raping and killing other people.
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*Checks history books*
Nah, I'm pretty sure everyone is good at that.
 
The funny thing about the 'white people can't jump' stereotype is that white people actually perform better at the jumping events than the running events relatively speaking. Less so the long jump because that relies heavily on sprinting ability(the best sprinters are typically also the best long jumpers), but the high jump and triple jump for sure..

It is certainly a silly stereotype to use to explain why white people aren't as good at basketball, vertical leap is a highly overrated attribute in the modern NBA. Reach, agility, endurance and pure speed all have more of an impact than pure jumping.
 
a sport that consists of jumping and sprinting

yay white people ^____^

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...cs-championships/story-e6frep5o-1226128903855

In a remarkable display in the world championships final of the 100m hurdles, the queen of Australian athletics didn't just win the gold medal tonight, she obliterated her opposition.

After breaking her own Australian record in the semi-finals 90 minutes earlier, Pearson did it again and kept her unbeaten run this year going by taking victory in 12.28sec, the fourth fastest time in history.

American pair Danielle Carruthers and Dawn Harper collected silver and bronze, both being timed with personal best time of 12.47sec.
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Zoramon089 said:
Why is it that people always use the "slavery bred for strength" defense like black people only exist in the US? What about Africa? Or the fact that other races were slaves at certain points in history as well?
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Fuck knows, Usian Bolt is a maroon, who is descended from runaway slaves who established free communities in the mountainous interior of Jamaica.


Nothing about being bred for strength in his history, same goes for Asafa Powell for that matter.
 
Can't speak for sprinters. Most 100m winners are indeed black. But if it was the case that their blackness is somehow indicative of their performance, then surely more africans would have won. I am looking at the top ten here on wikipedia. And I see only one African. A nigerian. I think this just shows that the level of nutrition, training and research invested in athletes is a lot more efficient in the west than it is in other countries. They just happen to be black because recruiters probably look for black athletes going by the world record as a criterion. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.


As for long distance runners:
Long distance runners being black has nothing to do with their blackness (indeed, some would even dispute and deny the blackness of ethiopians that regularly win them). It's the environment most of these people have to survive in. It's dry land where you have to last long if you want to survive. And anyone, whether white or black could do these long runs, if they were born and bred in these environments.
These same people would never be able to run the 100 sprint against runners such as Bolt. Just as Usain Bolt would never be able to last the 10.000 meter run. And hey, they' both happen to be black.

Different anatomical structure. Dictated by climate and nutrition.
 
the reason here aren't more white 100m/200m winners is the same reason there aren't more black men hoisting Stanley Cups, rocking Winter Olympic Gold, swinging baseball bats (anymore) or tossing golf clubs.

Culture, resources and conditioning options.

Once you look at all these the differences become extremely obvious...and all these "scientific" "studies" become incredibly annoying. We don't have special fucking muscles, though like any "race" of human, there will be outliers and freaks of nature. It's just that in the fucking hood, basketball, football and running required less room. So those sports have grown and the genetic freaks of nature went towards those.

I'm continually disappointed that GAF can't connect obvious dots damn near 200 posts in. There's some true fucking herring and derping going on in here.
 
Is it wrong to note that internet videos of black people acting ignorant or criminal are always Americans?

Where's my videos of French or British black folk being pissed off because Popeye's ran out of chicken?
 
well the answer there is obvious: they don't have Popeye's Chicken in France or Britain.

If they did, they'd understand the rage that comes from Popeye's running out of chicken. It's seriously maddening.

Obligatory: Popeye's >>> KFC.

Deal with it.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
well the answer there is obvious: they don't have Popeye's Chicken in France or Britain.

If they did, they'd understand the rage that comes from Popeye's running out of chicken. It's seriously maddening.

Obligatory: Popeye's >>> KFC.

Deal with it.
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Oh God, sort of unrelated, but now I'm picturing some missing film from the 90s about a younger Martin Laurence who goes to England to jump bail and meets his rich, British relatives. He's hiding out there for a few months and teaches them to love each other through fried chicken, watermelon, and hip hop. The movie ends with him going home with his beautiful British girlfriend and his Brit family is waving goodbye, all of them dressed like Crips.
 
bengraven said:
Oh God, sort of unrelated, but now I'm picturing some missing film from the 90s about a younger Martin Laurence who goes to England to jump bail and meets his rich, British relatives. He's hiding out there for a few months and teaches them to love each other through fried chicken, watermelon, and hip hop. The movie ends with him going home with his beautiful British girlfriend and his Brit family is waving goodbye, all of them dressed like Crips.
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No way...
 
Salacious Crumb said:
It's interesting to me how different 'races' dominate different sports. Why are all the best swimmers white?
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I once heared, that the stronger pigmentation of skin results in more friction underwater. Urban myth?
 
Dreams-Visions said:
No way...
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You're right, if it were early 90s it would probably be Sinbad. Laurence was still doing decent movies in the 90s.




Note: the movie didn't exist, I was parodying black cinema from the 90s which was either "wealthy, beautiful dating black professionals starring Vanessa Williams and Morris Chestnut" or "shuck and jive black person teaches white/foreign/goofy people to love again".
 
The eagerness of some GAFfers to justify their biases when one of these threads pops up is somewhat disturbing.

I kind of thought GAF had gotten better on race junk the last couple of weeks. Guess I just wasn't paying attention.
 
just because most black distance runners are from the Nandi region, doesn't mean all blacks aren't good distance runners. The successes mask other competitors. There is no clear way to know whether removing those Nandi runners would mean suddenly we'd have a lot of white winners, or simply that non-Nandi black runners would show through.

So making a blanket statement that 'blacks are better sprinters' or better distance runners isn't disproven by this either.
 
Zoramon089 said:
Why is it that people always use the "slavery bred for strength" defense like black people only exist in the US? What about Africa? Or the fact that other races were slaves at certain points in history as well?
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1. Most other case of slavery in history did not include stuff like the slaves being killed for being gauged too weak to survive the trip.

2. The slave trade included more countries than the US.

3. Slavery in africa was A WORLD of difference between what was going on in the slave trade. The fact that alot of africans sold slaves, they didn't comprehend what was going to happen to the people sold. In warring african tribes, when they took slaves, the slaves could work to join their tribe (within their lifetime) and their children, if they had any, were born free and automatically accepted into tribe. Slavery in other parts of history were not as bad either.

4.Chances are these people in the nandi region have a strong history of being warriors and probably fought and had to run from some strong beasts. Such as the lion. I would imagin any tribe who made a habit out of hunting large cats, are pretty quick on thier feet and have deadly reflexes.
 
as long as you don't involve things like prisons, test scores, welfare, or single parent households in your statement, you can pretend you aren't trolling.
 
The lack of white Americans in basketball is much more cultural than racial, there are plenty of great foreign born players in the league.
 
Mgoblue201 said:
I thought that this was about the 100m? If you look at, for example, the 100m Olympic medal winners, there is far more diversity than the author would lead you to believe. Furthermore, haven't scientists actually found a genetic explanation for this phenomenon due to the number of fast twitch fiber muscles? Is the author unaware of this, or is the study flawed in some way?
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Fast twitch muscles can be grown with strenuous practice.
 
Pandaman said:
is it really that surprising? swedes are tall and blond, pacific islanders are prone to cholesterol problems, kenyans have bigger lungs. You split a population off for long enough and they're bound to share some weird common trait.
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No. Kenyans are great distance runners because the elevation is so high where they live. The author should have explained why these groups tend to be so successful, judging by the subtitle of his book - "the power of practice" - his point is that it has nothing to do with genetics.
 
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