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Compared to previous generations.

Well even compared to a decade ago. I mean, I could never imagine a thread like this existing in the general forum here in 03.

*still looking to find the article*

**someone else can comb the archives for a similar thread to this one**

People being more open about doesn't mean its more common.

 

[Blackace]

Having responsibility in the legal or technical sense isn't something I'd argue for so I guess I don't really have anything left to say.

in any sense... in no way shape or form does a person have power to make another person cheat..

 

[East Lake]

in any sense... in no way shape or form does a person have power to make another person cheat..

Right, you posted this on the last page. I explained why I think responsibility in this case is a poor excuse and we've gone in a circle.

 

[Subitai]

Infidelity is one of those things that spans all sorts of cultures and time periods.

I never said there wasn't any earlier, and I should be more precise in stating that I'm referring to American society. Norms vary, sometimes widely. I mean, with the shortage of men in Russia now, cheating is a way of life.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/12/the_cheating_cheaters_of_moscow.html

 

[Blackace]

Right, you posted this on the last page. I explained why I think responsibility in this case is a poor excuse and we've gone in a circle.

If you take a promotion or a job over someone else are you responsible for their future?

 

[Atrus]

in any sense... in no way shape or form does a person have power to make another person cheat..

Yes, just like how no company can MAKE you buy a particular product or brand. The whole diamond engagement ring thing, just arose out of innate human behavior and companies like Gillette had no impact on shaving as a social norm.

People are manipulated to kill, steal, rape and even commit suicide, but somehow cheating is magically impossible? I don't think so.

 

[Blackace]

Yes, just like how no company can MAKE you buy a particular product or brand. The whole diamond engagement ring thing, just arose out of innate human behavior and companies like Gillette had no impact on shaving as a social norm.

People are manipulated to kill, steal, rape and even commit suicide, but somehow cheating is magically impossible? I don't think so.

oh please...

picking a woman up from a bar in 3 hours is not the same as years of preconditioning; you cannot even compare the two..

even if it happens over time.. I really don't think anyone is indoctrinating people..

 

[Joel Was Right]

This is one of the most ridiculous threads I've seen in a while

 

[Log4Girlz]

Its perfectly fine to seduce someone who's already taken. If you are successful, the relationship had issues to begin with and you do not owe it to some stranger to back off from their SO.

 

[Atrus]

If you take a promotion or a job over someone else are you responsible for their future?

No, but as a member of society at large you are expected to give due care to your fellow members. This is why adultery is mostly viewed in the negative.

You're right that on the individualistic level you can choose to not be responsible for anyone else, but no society can function with allowing everyone to think the same way, and this is why most advanced nations have implemented social care, such as unemployment benefits to take care of those who are displaced because you took their job or because someone else decided to save money.

A society of completely self interested individuals will not exist for long nor function well.

 

[Kaako]

For me personally: no married women, no women in relationships.

 

[waypoetic]

WRONG.

Also that gif when Nic Cage says wrong.

 

[Blackace]

No, but as a member of society at large you are expected to give due care to your fellow members. This is why adultery is mostly viewed in the negative.

You're right that on the individualistic level you can choose to not be responsible for anyone else, but no society can function with allowing everyone to think the same way, and this is why most advanced nations have implemented social care, such as unemployment benefits to take care of those who are displaced because you took their job or because someone else decided to save money.

A society of completely self interested individuals will not exist for long nor function well.

There is the same services in place for divorcees and what have you..

 

[Atrus]

oh please...

picking a woman up from a bar in 3 hours is not the same as years of preconditioning; you cannot even compare the two..

even if it happens over time.. I really don't think anyone is indoctrinating people..

Manipulating not indoctrinating and there is a difference between picking up a woman at a bar who was looking to cheat as opposed to actively enticing someone to cheat.

 

[Devolution]

Manipulating not indoctrinating and there is a difference between picking up a woman at a bar who was looking to cheat as opposed to actively enticing someone to cheat.

Manipulating someone to cheat as if there is no actual choice involved for the SO to stop communication with that person, okay sure.

 

[Atrus]

There is the same services in place for divorcees and what have you..

Divorces are not analogous to adultery.

Victims of adultery are not compensated by the state and are often punished by no fault clauses should they have been married.

 

[Blackace]

Manipulating not indoctrinating and there is a difference between picking up a woman at a bar who was looking to cheat as opposed to actively enticing someone to cheat.

the examples of buying rings, products, and so on is closer to indoctrinating because you are bombarded with it..

We are going to be enticed always... acting on it is your choice.

It's not perfect system, but really most the time it is completely the person's choice.

not saying that the "seducer" has to try to get THAT person..

 

[Canis lupus]

No, its wrong. Don't think about it.

 

[Blackace]

Divorces are not analogous to adultery.

Victims of adultery are not compensated by the state and are often punished by no fault clauses should they have been married.

not everyone unemployed receive services..

 

[East Lake]

If you take a promotion or a job over someone else are you responsible for their future?

I personally don't fret over employment as much as I would with interfering with a person's SO. This is again going back to things I already posted on the last page. Using lack of responsibility as the guiding principle in decisions is something I find repugnant.

 

[Enco]

Dear lord, cheating defence force?

It's wrong. Period. Have some respect and don't try to ruin other people's lives because you can't keep your dick in your pants. Sheesh.

 

[Atrus]

Manipulating someone to cheat as if there is no actual choice involved for the SO to stop communication with that person, okay sure.

Choice is something that is influenced. Did you choose the emotions you feel or were they derived from a set of variables beyond your control that initiated those emotions?

Are people's choices not spurred by the values, experiences, traditions and cultures they grew up in?

Do you believe those variables to be beyond manipulation? How many sects do you need to show you that people can be coerced into anything by a sufficiently effective manipulator? Did every lover of David Koresh choose to love him? I'm sure they did, but not without there being a lot of external factors that manipulated that choice.

Love can be made and unmade and while assistance of the person is extremely helpful, it is not entirely required. The person cheating is responsible for their actions but so too is the person enabling it to happen.

 

[Nibel]

Some of these posts here fucking disgust me

Seems like every man has turned into an animal the last few years

 

[fanboi]

This thread... Man.

There is no ones else fault then the person who cheats.

And the sentiment that "once a cheater always à cheater" is so silly...

 

[Blackace]

Dear lord, cheating defence force?

It's wrong. Period. Have some respect and don't try to ruin other people's lives because you can't keep your dick in your pants. Sheesh.

lol

yeah, the cheater is the victim

 

[Blackace]

Some of these posts here fucking disgust me

Seems like every man has turned into an animal the last few years

yeah, every post has been by a man in here..

 

[Amon37]

Dear lord, cheating defence force?

It's wrong. Period. Have some respect and don't try to ruin other people's lives because you can't keep your dick in your pants. Sheesh.

This isn't cheating defense force I'm not saying cheating is right, I'm saying if a women cheats on her bf with me that's her fault. As Blackace said if she says "No I'm with someone" I'd walk away

 

[Blackace]

This isn't cheating defense force I'm not saying cheating is right, I'm saying if a women cheats on her bf with me that's her fault. As Blackace said if she says "No I'm with someone" I'd walk away

pretty much

 

[Enco]

lol

yeah, the cheater is the victim

I never said that?

The cheating party in the relationship is 100% at fault. The person she cheats with is a huge fucking asshole if he knows she's in a relationship.

This isn't cheating defense force I'm not saying cheating is right, I'm saying if a women cheats on her bf with me that's her fault. As Blackace said if she says "No I'm with someone" I'd walk away

If you know they have an SO and you push for it then you knowingly helped ruin the relationship.

If you don't know then it's a different matter.

 

[Blackace]

I never said that?

The cheating party in the relationship is 100% at fault. The person she cheats with is a huge fucking asshole if he knows she's in a relationship.


If you know they have an SO and you push for it then you knowingly helped ruin the relationship.

If you don't know then it's a different matter.

yeah..

I call this a Rick James moment

 

[Enco]

yeah..

I call this a Rick James moment

I have no idea what you mean by that haha

 

[East Lake]

He's combining moral judgment with a strict adherence to the vague notion of responsibility. Sort of like how a scientology auditor wouldn't be responsible for goading their recruit all the way to OT Level 6.

 

[Dennis]

Go seduce all you want but then don't come crying when someone cuts your dick off in a jealous rage. Take it like the man you think you are.

 

[Blackace]

I have no idea what you mean by that haha

How can the person cheating be 100% at fault but the person they cheated with is the one who ruined their relationship?

He's combining moral judgment with a strict adherence to the vague notion of responsibility. Sort of like how a scientology auditor wouldn't be responsible for goading their recruit all the way to OT Level 6.

lol sure I am.

I like to think of it as life experience.

 

[Blackace]

Go seduce all you want but then don't come crying when someone cuts your dick off in a jealous rage. Take it like the man you think you are.

This makes as much sense as meat mittens

 

[Nevasleep]

If you know they have an SO and you push for it then you knowingly helped ruin the relationship.

So what? They obviously didn't have a great relationship to begin with.

Although I think it's wrong if you do it for anything but a relationship (just sex etc).

 

[Enco]

How can the person cheating be 100% at fault but the person they cheated with is the one who ruined their relationship?

lol sure I am.

I like to think of it as life experience.

Helped ruin the relationship.

Obviously the cheating party in the relationship should say no but why should anyone even try it? I'll move it down to 99% blame since that makes more sense.

Both parties involved are wrong.

 

[Blackace]

Helped ruin the relationship.

Obviously the cheating party in the relationship should say no but why should anyone even try it? I'll move it down to 99% blame since that makes more sense.

Both parties involved are wrong.

So say someone didn't try to hook up a someone because they are in a relationship, that relationship would stay healthy and happy? Is that what you are assuming? Just curious..

 

[Enco]

So say someone didn't try to hook up a someone because they are in a relationship, that relationship would stay healthy and happy? Is that what you are assuming? Just curious..

If the person was going to cheat with you, probably not. However, why should you even be involved? They might work out any issues and they might be happy. By helping the cheater you pretty much seal their fate. It's just unnecessary drama.

Plus what's stopping the cheater from cheating on you with someone else? They've done it before after all.

I can see your point but I still think couples are completely off limits. If their relationship is so fragile just wait until it's over. Don't speed it up for them.

 

[Resilient]

Seducer is not at fault. If the GF/BF leaves, chances are that they were probably gonna leave anyway. This subject is not black or white, far from it. In the even that they cheat with seducer, again, it's not the seducers fault. They were probably gonna cheat anyway. Nobody holds a gun to their head and says "I swear, you better cheat right now or else".

 

[Blackace]

If the person was going to cheat with you, probably not. However, why should you even be involved? They might work out any issues and they might be happy. By helping the cheater you pretty much seal their fate. It's just unnecessary drama.

Plus what's stopping the cheater from cheating on you with someone else? They've done it before after all.

I can see your point but I still think couples are completely off limits. If their relationship is so fragile just wait until it's over. Don't speed it up for them.

Again some people want to not serious relationship so why would the person does

Or

They feel they are the right person for the person

They have to wait until that can resolve their shit?

Again my belief is marriage shouldn't be messed with but just BF/GF? If I strong enough I am going tell her

 

[Enco]

Again some people want to not serious relationship so why would the person does

Or

They feel they are the right person for the person

They have to wait until that can resolve their shit?

Again my belief is marriage shouldn't be messed with but just BF/GF? If I strong enough I am going tell her

I don't get your first comment.

It's down to the morals of each person I suppose.

I agree that marriage is definitely a huge no. Bf/gf is a lot less serious. If you screw with marriage it's a lot worse in my opinion. Heaven forbid they have kids. If so, you're a homewrecker.

 

[Plywood]

Hit it and then TELL ON THEY ASS.

 

[isual]

to OP, a firm no.

you will be ruining their life and yours. It's just morally wrong.

 

[Blackace]

I don't get your first comment.

It's down to the morals of each person I suppose.

I agree that marriage is definitely a huge no. Bf/gf is a lot less serious. If you screw with marriage it's a lot worse in my opinion. Heaven forbid they have kids. If so, you're a homewrecker.

Sorry meant why would they care if they cheat

 

[industrian]

Get in where you fit in bro.

What if all his bitches are gone?

 

[Enco]

Sorry meant why would they care if they cheat

Why would the person trying to steal the gf/bf mind being cheated on?

Because it's not nice?

 

[McLovin]

I think it's wrong, and if you get someone by seducing them or "tricking them" (whatever that means). Then it's only a matter of time before someone else does it to you. I'm of the firm belief that once a cheater always a cheater.

 

[Blackace]

Why would the person trying to steal the gf/bf mind being cheated on?

Because it's not nice?

No if I just wanted sex or a sexbuddy why would I care if down the road they cheat again?

 

[Resilient]

I think it's wrong, and if you get someone by seducing them or "tricking them" (whatever that means). Then it's only a matter of time before someone else does it to you. I'm of the firm belief that once a cheater always a cheater.

So people never change?