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Is M. Bison transgender/genderfluid?

So wait....Bison is pretty much the street fighter version of orochimaru?

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Maybe his quest for world domination includes being the only person in the world to be able to answer the question of what the pain of being kicked in the balls is like in comparison to giving birth.
 
Very interesting theory. He really doesn't come across as cis when you break it down, does he?

The defensiveness in this thread is overwhelming. o_o
 
LeleSocho said:
I'm pretty sure the interview i'm talking about was after SFxT but i'm too lazy to look it up and again... i may be misremembering.
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I talked in person to Yoshinori Ono specifically about Poison right before SFxT's launch. Capcom's position at this point is definitely "fans can decide".
 
Gamble said:
So wait....Bison is pretty much the street fighter version of orochimaru?

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yep... instead of snake sage power bison is powered by psycho power... which is essentially all the negative emotions and feelings in the world is like food to him.

So more crime = more despair = more power for Bison.

Which is why Shadaloo exists.
 
Acerac said:
The defensiveness in this thread is overwhelming. o_o
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I don't really understand why people are so offended at the idea. To me it's very interesting that Bison's clone is a female. Does that necessarily mean that he is trans, no. But it seems like a pretty valid theory as far as they go.
 
Scientist Supreme! said:
Doubt Capcom will go for it but that sounds cool.
Also, the thread is the predicable gamers refusing anything out of their "normal" world view and transphobic/insensitive comments.
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No this is the typical gamers laughing at ridiculous theories and people in support of them resorting to ad hominems because they don't like being laughed at
 
UnemployedVillain said:
No this is the typical gamers laughing at ridiculous theories and people in support of them resorting to ad hominems because they don't like being laughed at
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There is some fun discussion going on in this thread. There's nothing stopping people from just not posting, and if they have substantial reasons for not liking or disagreeing with it, at least explain why. "Laughing at theories and people who support them" doesn't really benefit anyone.

I don't really subscribe to this theory myself but at the very least it's not something totally insane along the lines of "x was dead the whole time".
 
Having Bison-in-Cammy as a character would be rad if they found a way to mesh their play styles.

Interesting theory but I don't think I can go with it. Bison seems beyond human stuff like gender, he just wants power. If Cammy is the body to make him stronger he'll go with her, if some guy is then he'll go with him.
Or maybe he likes boobs and wants his own pair.
 
NinjaCoachZ said:
There is some fun discussion going on in this thread. There's nothing stopping people from just not posting, and if they have substantial reasons for not liking or disagreeing with it, at least explain why. "Laughing at theories and people who support them" doesn't really benefit anyone.

I don't really subscribe to this theory myself but at the very least it's not something totally insane along the lines of "x was dead the whole time".
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The real injustice in this thread is all the shitting on Squall is dead.
 
Death Penalty said:
The real injustice in this thread is all the shitting on Squall is dead.
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That's an example of a theory type I don't like, though I wasn't referring to that specific one directly.

Like the "Ash from Pokemon is in a coma" or "the Rugrats were all hallucinations" or "Ben Drowned". I don't like those theories because the idea of taking something nromally lighthearted and turning it into something dark usually end up being executed badly and come off as edgy - and even then, at the core, the "dead all along, it was just a dream" is the simplest and least inventive type of theory you can come up with. It renders the whole fiction meaningless for little gain. They're just shallow, don't have much below the surface, and usually aren't based on anything specific other than a desire to cop some "ruined childhood" credit.

And also because they get brought up repeatedly without fail even though there's no basis for them. Like Squall is Dead in particular, it's been a long time, but I remember there were a bunch of inconsistencies that didn't gel with the actual game... Anyway.

Headcanons are fine but when they go too far and it's impossible to discuss the fiction itself without someone cutting in and going "but in my headcanon--", that's when it's not so good. But as long as it's not brought up unless relevant, or if it's not something that matters to the story that much, or if it has a legitimate basis, then there's no problem, really.
 
Bison and Rose are the same person. Rose's soul power is the counterpoint to Bison's psycho power.

Bison's clones are Cammy and Decapre. So presumably Bison, pre split with Rose, was a woman, or after dying in A3 the possessed Rose was cloned into Cammy and Decapre. Or Bison was being a creep and wanted female puppets. Or a hundred other things.

I prefer to think of it as Bison just being a being of psycho power, rather than being a human.
 
Cammy, and all of the dolls are there in case his body gets destroyed but only as temporary bodies, characters like ryu, Seth, and maybe Ed are meant to be permanent replacements bodies.
 
NinjaCoachZ said:
That's an example of a theory type I don't like, though I wasn't referring to that specific one directly.

Like the "Ash from Pokemon is in a coma" or "the Rugrats were all hallucinations" or "Ben Drowned".
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Ben Drowned is an entire story (creepypasta turned ARG) that uses a game as part of its plot, that's something different.
 
The speculation in this thread is actually an interesting read.

If you're one of the many people who got super offended or super defensive about it.... it's not a big deal. Lol. Instead of being so against or for it, just take it into consideration and think about it.

I'm in the boat of Cammy is an altered clone of Bison, but Bison himself is above gender, and just wants power.

But the idea that s/he may have been female at some point, because Cammy could be a 100% identical clone is interesting.
 
KingJ2002 said:
yep... instead of snake sage power bison is powered by psycho power... which is essentially all the negative emotions and feelings in the world is like food to him.

So more crime = more despair = more power for Bison.

Which is why Shadaloo exists.
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There are a TON of "Anime Legions of Doom" out there, and I find more every day.

animlboogy said:
One of the very first things that happens in the entire Baldur's Gate saga is finding a girdle that changes your sex without warning as soon as you wear it.

In 2016, a trans shopkeeper shows up in a BG expansion and the internet breaks in half over it, defending the supposed sanctity of their fantasy games (that many probably didn't even play) from this tumblr nonsense.

This discussion is impossible to have right now in the gaming community. Seriously, you could've had a better discussion of Bison's habit of inhabiting/wanting to inhabit women's bodies in 1996 than 2016. Granted, a good part of that discussion would involve sentences like, "yeah Bison's totally a fag" but at the very least you'd be able to stop and think for a moment about the themes sitting there without it tapping into this wider culture war we have going on right now.
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Sadly. I mean, help me stump for Eagle for Season 2 here, people! Jeez...
 
I always chuckle at how legitimately upset people become at the idea of suggesting that a character is genderfluid, transgender, gay, etc. It reminds me of when people were suggesting the idea that Link was a trans girl, and posters got angry. I can understand people saying "it's not very likely that Capcom would take that into consideration", but what I find so very puzzling is how defensive people are about the idea. Like, to the point that they seem utterly wounded by the idea.

NoctisVsStar said:
It's not about being defensive it's just comes across as stretching.
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Where is the stretch?
 
i feel like if he was that interested in being a woman he could maybe get gender reassignment surgery
 
TharpDaddy said:
Having Bison-in-Cammy as a character would be rad if they found a way to mesh their play styles.

Interesting theory but I don't think I can go with it. Bison seems beyond human stuff like gender, he just wants power. If Cammy is the body to make him stronger he'll go with her, if some guy is then he'll go with him.
Or maybe he likes boobs and wants his own pair.
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Wouldn't Cammy+Bison just = Decapre?
 
NinjaCoachZ said:
There is some fun discussion going on in this thread. There's nothing stopping people from just not posting, and if they have substantial reasons for not liking or disagreeing with it, at least explain why. "Laughing at theories and people who support them" doesn't really benefit anyone.

I don't really subscribe to this theory myself but at the very least it's not something totally insane along the lines of "x was dead the whole time".
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I'm just commenting on what I've seen. My only other post is basically me going "Sure, why not" so I haven't laughed at anyone
 
It is interesting that the bodies he chooses or plans to reside in are women. I don't know what that says about his gender but I think it's cool to speculate.
 
A Link to the Past said:
I always chuckle at how legitimately upset people become at the idea of suggesting that a character is genderfluid, transgender, gay, etc. It reminds me of when people were suggesting the idea that Link was a trans girl, and posters got angry. I can understand people saying "it's not very likely that Capcom would take that into consideration", but what I find so very puzzling is how defensive people are about the idea. Like, to the point that they seem utterly wounded by the idea.



Where is the stretch?
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maybe because people aren't comfortable with their favorite characters being gay or transgender etc...? Is that against the law or something? Your line of reasoning is seemingly echoing the very thing you are arguing against. People have their own ideas and ownership of characters and defend their take on it. I don't get what's so baffling about it.
 
Street Fighter takes place in the mind of an autistic child who's in a coma and has been dead the whole time.
 
People are being ridiculous.

From the very definition of transgender bison cannot be trans, as he doesn't identify with the opposite sex, at the very most, it's a means to a end.

Likewise he cannot be genderfluid either, as he is not changing or has changed gender, he has shown an interest in changing sex, again as a means to an end.

The fact this is even a discussion shows what shaky ground this whole identity thing is, as to even bring this up runs counter to what people claim is going on when seperating gender from biology.
 
NinjaCoachZ said:
That's an example of a theory type I don't like, though I wasn't referring to that specific one directly.

Like the "Ash from Pokemon is in a coma" or "the Rugrats were all hallucinations" or "Ben Drowned". I don't like those theories because the idea of taking something nromally lighthearted and turning it into something dark usually end up being executed badly and come off as edgy - and even then, at the core, the "dead all along, it was just a dream" is the simplest and least inventive type of theory you can come up with. It renders the whole fiction meaningless for little gain. They're just shallow, don't have much below the surface, and usually aren't based on anything specific other than a desire to cop some "ruined childhood" credit.

And also because they get brought up repeatedly without fail even though there's no basis for them. Like Squall is Dead in particular, it's been a long time, but I remember there were a bunch of inconsistencies that didn't gel with the actual game... Anyway.

Headcanons are fine but when they go too far and it's impossible to discuss the fiction itself without someone cutting in and going "but in my headcanon--", that's when it's not so good. But as long as it's not brought up unless relevant, or if it's not something that matters to the story that much, or if it has a legitimate basis, then there's no problem, really.
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Squall is dead is nice because it lends some meaning to an otherwise pretty bad and certainly not "light-hearted" story. It serves a purpose, as an interpretation, that goes well beyond a simple desire for a headcanon or corruption of the story. As fan theories go, I like it more than the usual fare and it actually has a good deal of potential tie-in and relevance to the plot itself. Granted, it's primarily just trying to explain something that isn't unique to VIII which is "Final Fantasy games get fucking CRAZY in the second act." Do I think it's the intent of the creators? Nah. But it's a nice interpretation of a kinda batshit story with a vague ending.

I see what you're getting at to an extent though. I've seen a lot and I mean a lot of fans who will only accept the Rinoa is Ultimecia theory despite it being directly denied by creators. Like anything, it can be carried too far but that's what discussion is for. I don't think it's likely that Bison is any sort of genderqueer for instance, but it's a nice conversation to have.
 
Maybe not the right choice of word but Japan is a culture known for gender ambiguity in many of its folklores as well as cultural performances. Takarazuka is well-known theatrical troupe where female often plays male character, etc. Since Street Fighter is a product of the country, I'm not surprised that its storyline will inhabit some characteristics of Japanese culture.
 
Makes me wonder if switching bodies IRL would make me change to the other person's gender or keep my own. I mean, my gender is probably just as much or as little of me as is my body. I'd like to body swap.

Honestly, Samus and Dark Sun Gwyndolin are my favorite trans character candidates, this example sounds more like a matter of technobabble than proper gender things.
 
John Kowalski said:
Makes me wonder if switching bodies IRL would make me change to the other person's gender or keep my own. I mean, my gender is probably just as much or as little of me as is my body. I'd like to body swap.

Honestly, Samus and Dark Sun Gwyndolin are my favorite trans character candidates, this example sounds more like a matter of technobabble than proper gender things.
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Samus was transgender?!
 
The real answer is probably, that the Devs thought it would be sexy to have a bunch of clone women and didn't think that someone would interpret it like that
 
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